Get arrested 3 days before the draft. Brilliant. That literally probably will cost him millions.
Dammit. Every potential pick just moved up 1 spot in line while this jackass heads to the bottom of round 2. Some teams are going to take his name off their boards entirely. Idiot.

If he's smart he'll say a friend hooked him up with free weed. Tampa will take him with the first pick in round 2. It seems like they buy that story.
I don't know... the whole re-sign Guion after pot trouble seemed out of character for this front office. it made me wonder just how much coaching staffs know about players and whether the attitude is, or already has, changed inside the locker rooms. so let's not hold a little pot trouble against the kid.
There are surprises in every draft. Sometimes even questions about the draft are surprises. Like this...
I don't think he slips too much. He wasn't arrested; he was cited. And seeing as the stuff is well on it's way to being legal in all 50 states within the next 10-15 years, it's not a huge concern, at least for me. Of course he is an idiot for speeding with weed in his car the week of the draft, but I doubt it changes his draft stock more than a few picks (if that).
And since we're on the topic, I do think Gregory falls but not for his drug test as much as it is his lack of size. Sub 230 lb. pass rushers do not last in this league. Just ask Aaron Maybin.
Speaking of Gregory... McGinn's draft series continues, LBs:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports...240z1-301501251.html
I still think both he and Gregory are gone before the Packers first round pick.
Vic Beasley's agent must be doing back handsprings after the news.
I don't think he slips too much. He wasn't arrested; he was cited. And seeing as the stuff is well on it's way to being legal in all 50 states within the next 10-15 years, it's not a huge concern, at least for me. Of course he is an idiot for speeding with weed in his car the week of the draft, but I doubt it changes his draft stock more than a few picks (if that).
And since we're on the topic, I do think Gregory falls but not for his drug test as much as it is his lack of size. Sub 230 lb. pass rushers do not last in this league. Just ask Aaron Maybin.
Yeah if a team really wants Ray or Gregory then a little weed isn't going to make a difference...for teams on the fence or that had them graded equally to a much cleaner prospect then it could be the deciding factor to go in another direction. A team like Atlanta that is probably considering a pass rusher vs. LT vs. RB may decide Ray or Gregory aren't worth the headache and go with a cleaner prospect like Scherff or Peat. Any team that drafts Gregory will have to be patient with him because of his size. If you're wanting a guy to start from day 1 I doubt he's your guy, but in a year or two after bulking up a little and learning the ropes he could be a terror. Whoever takes him better have a starter because relying on him would be a mistake.
He is going to fall into someone's lap..
Gregory's a lot like Bruce Irvin except a much more polished pass rusher coming out and with the the emphasis on pass rushers neither he nor Ray will slide that far.
If the make it to round 2, the Jags or one of the teams in the top 7-10 picks of round 2 will take them.
Could be Green Bay with a trade down from #30
This has nothing to do with weed. This has everything to do with timing and decision making and should be a big red flag.
This has nothing to do with weed. This has everything to do with timing and decision making and should be a big red flag.
Chili for the win
And what this does is invite even more scrutiny into his past. And what they often find is that its not an isolated incident...and that raises even more red flags.
The draftees and NFL players also have to wake up to the fact that these aren't just random pull-overs either. Teams will invest in a P.I. to tail a kid- a wise move before investing millions and a precious draft pick. The cops/investigators have license plate readers in every car, Stingray cell-phone signal-stealers and other means of electronic surveilance
They can all read Facebook Instagram and twitter too. These players are being targeted, poked and prodded behind the scenes with as much fervor as they are at the combine to assess their physical traits.
NFL teams have stationed spies at college bars to see how these guys behave. Nothing is off limits and the background checks that are done now are more invasive than ever before.
They enter into the NFL in stage 1 which means instead of 1 test a year- they are getting tested several times/month. That's a bad bet with a guy like Gregory who couldn't even stop for 1 month before the combine.
Although NFL front offices and coaches would prefer their guy's lay off the weed, it's not realistic. It's pretty common in the NFL. The reason it's pretty common is the bargained drug testing for weed. A good analogy would be a DUI checkpoint in the Mojave desert with warning signals starting about 60 miles out.
If a a guy fails a test when he's in the NFL. If a guy fails a test at the combine. If a guy is caught speeding carrying weed 3 days before the draft and he's a projected first rounder. He is:
1. A complete ****ing moron.
2. Losing to an addiction.
Neither of those options is worthy of risking a 1st or 2nd round pick.
The 1 thing I'll say is the rookie salary cap has now allowed teams to take a chance.
The biggest key is figuring out where the players are slotted on the other 31 teams boards.
But you're right....it's a gigantic red flag.
NFL teams have stationed spies at college bars to see how these guys behave.
If ANYONE knows how to apply for this job please let me know. I have decades of experience!
I'm not so sure. I know QB desperation runs amok, but I'd have taken Ray over Winston and still might. I don't think Ray will slide that far. Nobody wants to be teh team that passed on a Warren Sapp or even a Randy Moss, despite the fact they're turds.
NFL teams have stationed spies at college bars to see how these guys behave.
If ANYONE knows how to apply for this job please let me know. I have decades of experience!
Ok, Ben Roethlisberger. Your application is carefully being considered
I'm looking under the "Experience/Skills Required" section....what does "Hoochie" mean?
The so called experts are all over the map on Ray, some say a drop of a couple of slots, others as far as the 3rd round.....should be very interesting. As others have said, it is not the weed, it is the lack of judgement, the immaturity , the stupidity of doing this days before millions are in your pocket. The moral is, smoke em if Ya got em.....at home.
The 1 thing I'll say is the rookie salary cap has now allowed teams to take a chance.
January 22, 2015 3:59 PM
With the rookie pool/cap, it really doesn't matter where a player was picked. Just show up on Sunday and play like you mean it.
But don't be a dummass first.
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that the Packers can sign Bryce Petty after the draft. I recall being told by some know it all nothing that he wouldn't be drafted.
I'm draftable.
My measurables are perfect for ILB. 6' 2" 235 pounds and I look great in my underwear. You can catch the ball race to my feet. Lefty just pulled ahead.
“With Jameis Winston I see JaMarcus Russell,” an unnamed personnel executive told Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.
Wonder if he's been reading timesfour
I'm draftable.
You can catch the ball race to my feet. Lefty just pulled ahead.
You goin' osh again?
I have Oshpergers.
The police would like to speak with potential 1st round pick La'el Collins about a recent homicide of a pregnant woman.
"We are consistently pursuing getting in touch with him, not as a suspect, but to ask him questions about the victim"
I'm no ****ing Columbo but the green room in Chicago Thursday night might be a good place to start looking for him.
Nothing would make draft night more special than Baton Rouge police tazing Collins right as he's about to french kiss Goodell.
My measurables are perfect for ILB. 6' 2" 235 pounds and I look great in my underwear.
If you can crack 5 seconds in the 40 with a feather up yer arse... you can play in this league
I'm draftable.
My measurables are perfect for ILB. 6' 2" 235 pounds and I look great in my underwear. You can catch the ball race to my feet. Lefty just pulled ahead.
Are you scrappy? Live in the film room?
The police would like to speak with potential 1st round pick La'el Collins about a recent homicide of a pregnant woman.
"We are consistently pursuing getting in touch with him, not as a suspect, but to ask him questions about the victim"
I'm no ****ing Columbo but the green room in Chicago Thursday night might be a good place to start looking for him.
Nothing would make draft night more special than Baton Rouge police tazing Collins right as he's about to french kiss Goodell.
Well, unless they missed and got Rog instead.
My measurables are perfect for ILB. 6' 2" 235 pounds and I look great in my underwear.
If you can crack 5 seconds in the 40 with a feather up yer arse... you can play in this league
Yeah leaves the 15.8 40 time out how convenient.
@BrianCarriveau · 1h 1 hour ago
Ted Thompson seems to have placed special emphasis on age for players on the first 2 days of the draft at positions where speed is important
@BrianCarriveau · 1h 1 hour ago
Look at recent
#Packers picks of players 21 and under: Randall Cobb, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Devante Adams. Go back a little further, Finley.
Players 21 and under that could interest the #Packers on the first 2 days include WR Funchess, OLB Harold, ILB Alexander & CB Carter.
Yeah leaves the 15.8 40 time out how convenient.
Well ****, I just added Hank to the consensus board but made a fundamental mistake of not asking for a 40 time. Not sure anyone has a good enough bubble to make up for being that slow.
In an uber-ironical twist of fate, Hank is a tweener.
Played outside in college, but he projects inside in the pros.
Will be working closely with Winston Moss during his (accelerated) 7 year development plan
I scored potato.
I would have scored potato, but I put an 'e' at the end of it.
You must be from France. Wait, Indiana. Same thing.
I scored Peter Falk.
I scored Peter Falk.
Who was from France, Indiana.
I would have scored potato, but I put an 'e' at the end of it.
Ite?
I got an 11. Every answer was "The Vikings Suck".
The good news. Its no secret the Vikings suck.
The bad news. McNabb and Vince Young got me by 4. I gotta' live with that.
Think so. Plus specialists.
Still shaking my head at his column from the other day. Credit to Bob for his honesty, namely that he just can't suss out Ted. ROTTT indeed.
Portillo's sucks. If you want really good Italian Beef, you go to Al's. Make sure they soak the sammich in the Au jus. Only way to eat Italian beef.
Best German eats- Berghoff. sausage platter and pick a beer. Oh my.
If you want to eat in Chicago, that's where. If you get out to Naperville area, find The Bavarian Lodge. They have Hacker Pschorr Munich Gold on tap. Oh my goodness...
Coalfire and Vito & Nick's are better than anything you listed for pizza. I'll grant Giordanos is good - for the abomination that is deep dish which isn't pizza. And, Pizzeria Uno? OMG. I can now only assume that you simply forgot to list Sbaro?
Portillos is perfect when it comes to dogs.
If you can get out of town. Johnnies in Elmwood for the combo beef. Glorified cash only stand. Outstanding. Nothing wrong with Portillos.
I think we'll try Al's Beef. Probably Portillos too
Uno sucks, so many more preferable options.
I like to treat myself to a gyro the size of my head once in awhile, but the aftermath, oh the aftermath.
Seriously! If they offered the best beer/food in the world for free who would be so dum to go to Chicago?
quote:for the abomination that is deep dish which isn't pizza.
Giordano's is pounds of trash. Only get fireworks after eating it. And then my wife hates me.
Grandpa was a German immigrant butcher. Unfortunately, he had retired by the time I was born so he wasn't preparing his own cuts of meat. But he and Grandma did do some of their shopping at the ethnic butcher shop. Weißwurst and real German Leberwurst. Yummy.quote:Best German eats- Berghoff. sausage platter and pick a beer. Oh my.
As good as Jalen Collins and Marcus Peters could be, I just don't see how Ted could take either of them at #30. Why would he gamble on all that baggage when players like Kendricks, Odighizuwa, Phillips, Anthony, McKinney, etc could be there (at least 4 of those 5 likely make it to #30).
It's very interesting that NFL scouts/executives list Waynes as the runaway best player at cornerback, and then a different poll by McGinn has Gordon as being a better prospect than Waynes by an 8-4 margin. How is Melvin not a top half of the first round prospect with results like that? If he makes it to Jacksonville in round two that might be the best value pick in this entire draft.
“Pain is a relatively objective, physical phenomenon; suffering is our psychological resistance to what happens. Events may create physical pain, but they do not in themselves create suffering. Resistance creates suffering. Stress happens when your mind resists what is... The only problem in your life is your mind's resistance to the draft as it unfolds. ”
Melvin is rated lower than Waynes because of the relative value of their positions. Gordon may be a better overall player, but Waynes is the best player at a position that is more valuable in today's NFL. Gordon won't make it past San Diego IMO.
He has an elite vowel- to- consonant ratio
So La'el Collins is leaving CHI and heading back to LA?
Uh oh. The last time a conversation between police and player started like this was "We just want to talk Mr. Hernandez"...
Anyone hearing confirmation the Browns are in fact trading both their #1 picks to Tennessee to move to #2 so they can pick Mariota?
Sportscenter just tweeted it. Source is the ESPN Cleveland guy.
@SportsCenter: Browns offer two 1st-round picks to Titans for No. 2 overall selection, where they would plan to take Marcus Mariota. (via @PatMcManamon)
Meanwhile LaCanfora with this:
@JasonLaCanfora: Browns had already been offering up one of their 2 first rounders for Sam Bradford - 1st to STL and then to Philly. They want a new QB.
If it's true it reeks of a Chip Kelly three way "you draft Marcus and I'll trade you Bradford and picks" after the fact.
There is no damn way Cleveland uses two 1st rounders to move up to select another QB in round 1 and keep him. No possible way.
Good call Chilli....Makes sense
Sportscenter just tweeted it. Source is the ESPN Cleveland guy.
@SportsCenter: Browns offer two 1st-round picks to Titans for No. 2 overall selection, where they would plan to take Marcus Mariota. (via @PatMcManamon)
Meanwhile LaCanfora with this:
@JasonLaCanfora: Browns had already been offering up one of their 2 first rounders for Sam Bradford - 1st to STL and then to Philly. They want a new QB.
I wonder if the Browns' owner will ever choose the opinion of a homeless guy over his scouts ever again.
Only question regarding that entire scenario is this. If a 3 way back door deal like this was agreed on what would Cleveland's recourse be if Tampa screwed the apple cart and took Marcus 1 overall? Cleveland calling Chip saying, "I know it's Jameis but we still have a deal, right???"
Are these teams talking with Tampa as well to make sure everyone is on the same page?
#1 I am so damn glad our team isn't in the position to maybe take another QB in the 1st round like the Browns are. What would it be something like 3 in 4 years?
I kind of hope Chip mortgages the future for Mariota. I think he could do well in Chips system but man at some point the Eagles are going to have to play defense and not just rely on outscoring people. Sooner or later NFL D coordinators will catch up to him (I would argue maybe they already are), injuries can happen, or they just have a bad day.
i will admit to watching very little College football but is Mariota really this good? Is he worth mortgaging the future on? Don't get me wrong I think the kid seems like he has a great head on his shoulders but is he really worth it?
ChilliJohn, I will laugh outloud if Tampa takes Mariota. And honestly I have a hunch that they will.
My guess is it's Tennessee trying to drive the price of the pick up and Cleveland is not offering the farm for Mariota.
It also seems that the long-term members of the Ron Wolf GM tree don't spend first-round picks on high-flame-out positions like WR and short-lived RBs, instead staying relatively "safe" with guys like offensive tackles.
Only question regarding that entire scenario is this. If a 3 way back door deal like this was agreed on what would Cleveland's recourse be if Tampa screwed the apple cart and took Marcus 1 overall? Cleveland calling Chip saying, "I know it's Jameis but we still have a deal, right???"
Are these teams talking with Tampa as well to make sure everyone is on the same page?
I wouldn't trust talking to Tampa. Who knows what last minute offer comes in. Any trade should not be finalized until one of the trade partners is on the clock.
Yes, & it's worded as an "agreement in principle" The deal isn't final until the Titans are on the clock & the player being drafted/traded for is available
Let's be honest. The draft is infinitely more enjoyable because of all the clown shows running front offices.
If every front office had Ozzie, Ted, Schneider type guys the draft would be held on a Tuesday night as soon as the combine wrapped up. No drama. No leaked info. No potential for franchise crippling trades.
Just 7 rounds of drafting in a little over 3 hours and that would be that.
The Twin Cities radio stations are promoting the notion that Rick Spielman is the "most exciting GM in the NFL".
Well, he is. The way he trades like a mad man throwing away all those draft picks, and the way his teams really suck. It excites me greatly.
I think we'll try Al's Beef. Probably Portillos too
FWIW, Mrs. Coach who grew up in Hoffman Estates endorses Giordano's for deep dish pizza. Her best friend from high school who still lives up there swears by Portillo's.
I think we'll try Al's Beef. Probably Portillos too
FWIW, Mrs. Coach who grew up in Hoffman Estates endorses Giordano's for deep dish pizza. Her best friend from high school who still lives up there swears by Portillo's.
FIBS.....
Cool. Thanks Coach....I'm sure we'll have way more stuff to do than time to do it but it'll be fun trying to fit it all in
Have never understood the passion for Portillo's and I have been living here for 28 years. Average food at best. Many better hot dog joints and the local deli has far better Italian beef along with better prices.
I have my finalized mock (with trades) signed, sealed and delivered to Steve. Depending on the sobriety of our postal service, he should have it in hand for the first pick.
Hoping to beat my record from last year of calling 22 of the second round picks correctly.
Hmmm.
According to a report from NFL insider Jason La Canfora, the Eagles are shopping inside linebacker Mychal Kendricks for a second round draft pick.
"Eagles are shopping LB Mychal Kendricks. Seeking a 2nd round pick in return. Teams are balking at that price but something could happen."
This news doesn't exactly come as a surprise...
Kendricks trade speculation first emerged when the team announced a contract extension for veteran linebacker DeMeco Ryans. With Ryans set to return despite coming off an Achilles injury, the Eagles have a logjam at linebacker since Kiko Alonso was also acquired this offseason.
The Eagles drafted Kendricks in the second round of the 2012 NFL Draft. He's played quite well for Philadelphia despite some injury issues. It doesn't make sense that the team is willing to get rid of him, but it seems clear they want to move on.
http://www.bleedinggreennation...er-second-round-pick
Other than running against Ted's MO, why wouldn't this be a good move for the Packers?
EDIT: After thinking about it for a few minutes, only real downside I can see is the amount of coin the Packers already have invested in the LB position. Mychal want to get paid. But still.
Mychal Kendricks would be the best ILB in this draft. If Ted could get him for his second rounder knowing what he knows about his NFL numbers Id think he'd make that deal in 2 seconds.
WTF is Chip Kelly up to?!?!?!?
Maybe he hasn't bought into Chip's system. Chip's way or the highway with Ponch and John (CHiPs)
No more than a 3rd, preferably a 4th. He'll need a big extension so not worth a 2nd - need that young and cheap talent. Plus, this draft is supposed to be very deep in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
I really think Chip Kelly is going to bomb. Even if he did bring in the right players (which i don't believe he did), you can't have this kind of turnover and be successful. Only reason they might crack .500 this year is because they're playing the NFC South.
If you can get Kendricks for a second rounder you make that deal right damn now. He's in the last year of his rookie deal. $890k. Let him play that year out then make a decision on Peppers.
Clay, Peppers, Kendricks. **** would that be magical.
I dont think the 2nd round asking price is entirely accurate.
I'll give it a shot:
1. Jameis Winston/QB/Florida State
2. Marcus Mariota/QB/Oregon
3. Leonard Williams/DT/Southern California
4. Amari Cooper/WR/Alabama
5. Dante Fowler Jr./OLB/Florida
6. Kevin White/WR/West Virginia
7. Brandon Scherff/OT/Iowa
8. Todd Gurley/RB/Georgia
9. Trae Waynes/CB/Michigan State
10. Andrus Peat/OT/Stanford
11. DeVante Parker/WR/Louisville
12. Malcom Brown/DT/Texas
13. D.J. Humphries/OT/Florida
14. Alvin Dupree/OLB/Kentucky
15. Arik Armstead/DE/Oregon
16. Vic Beasley/DE/Clemson
17. Shane Ray/OLB/Missouri
18. Danny Shelton/DT/Washington
19. Melvin Gordon/RB/Wisconsin
20. Randy Gregory/DE/Nebraska
21. Ereck Flowers/OT/Miami, Fl
22. Kevin Johnson/WR/Wake Forest
23. Landon Collins/S/Alabama
24. Eddie Goldman/DT/Florida State
25. Eli Harold/OLB/Virginia
26. Byron Jones/CB/Connecticut
27. Nelson Agholor/WR/Southern California
28. Breshad Perriman/WR/Central Florida
29. Marcus Peters/CB/Washington
30. Eric Kendricks/ILB/UCLA
31. La'el Collins/OG/Louisiana State
32. Jalen Collins/CB/Louisiana State
33. Owamagbe Odighizuwa/OLB/UCLA
34. Jordan Phillips/DT/Oklahoma
35. Cameron Erving/C/Florida State
36. Preston Smith/DE/Mississippi State
37. P.J. Williams/CB/Florida State
38. Jaelen Strong/WR/Arizona State
39. Damarious Randall/S/Arizona State
40. Jake Fisher/OT/Oregon
41. Dorial Green-Beckham/WR/Oklahoma
42. T.J. Clemmings/OT/Pittsburgh
43. Ronald Darby/CB/Florida State
44. Tevin Coleman/RB/Indiana
45. Maxx Williams/TE/Minnesota
46. Phillip Dorsett/WR/Miami, Fl
47. Carl Davis/DT/Iowa
48. Mario Edwards Jr./DE/Florida State
49. Benardrick McKinney/ILB/Mississippi State
50. Cedric Ogbuehi/OT/Texas A&M
51. Stephone Anthony/ILB/Clemson
52. Michael Bennett/DT/Ohio State
53. Shaq Thompson/OLB/Washington
54. Sammie Coates/WR/Auburn
55. Devin Smith/WR/Ohio State
56. Jay Ajayi/RB/Boise State
57. Nate Orchard/OLB/Utah
58. Ameer Abdullah/RB/Nebraska
59. Denzel Perryman/ILB/Miami, Fl
60. Duke Johnson/RB/Miami, Fl
61. Quinten Rollins/CB/Miami, OH
62. A.J. Cann/OG/South Carolina
63. Danielle Hunter/DE/Louisiana State
64. Laken Tomlinson/OG/Duke
65. Paul Dawson/ILB/Texas Christian
66. Eric Rowe/CB/Utah
67. Donovan Smith/OG/Penn State
68. Tre' Jackson/OG/Florida State
69. T.J. Yeldon/RB/Alabama
70. Jaquiski Tartt/S/Samford
71. Lorenzo Mauldin/OLB/Louisville
72. Tyler Lockett/WR/Kansas State
73. Devin Funchess/WR/Michigan
74. Clive Walford/TE/Miami, Fl
75. David Johnson/RB/Northern Iowa
76. Senquez Golson/CB/Mississippi
77. Grady Jarrett/DT/Clemson
78. Brett Hundley/QB/UCLA
79. D'Joun Smith/CB/Florida Atlantic
80. Ali Marpet/C/Hobart
81. Alex Carter/CB/Stanford
82. Josh Shaw/CB/Southern California
83. Doran Grant/CB/Ohio State
84. Tre McBride/WR/William & Mary
85. Rashad Greene/WR/Florida State
86. Xavier Cooper/DT/Washington State
87. Charles Gaines/CB/Louisville
88. Jeremy Langford/RB/Michigan State
89. Gabe Wright/DT/Auburn
90. Hauoli Kikaha/OLB/Washington
91. Tyler Kroft/TE/Rutgers
92. Marcus Hardison/DE/Arizona State
93. Ty Sambrailo/OT/Colorado State
94. Jeremiah Poutasi/OT/Utah
95. Kwon Alexander/OLB/Louisiana State
96. Chris Conley/WR/Georgia
97. Steven Nelson/CB/Oregon State
98. Hroniss Grasu/C/Oregon
99. Za'Darius Smith/DE/Kentucky
100. Trey Flowers/DE/Arkansas
Mychal Kendricks would be the best ILB in this draft. If Ted could get him for his second rounder knowing what he knows about his NFL numbers Id think he'd make that deal in 2 seconds.
WTF is Chip Kelly up to?!?!?!?
When the McCoy/Alonso trade happened, there was talk that Kelly wanted Alonso because of his length. Alonso is a legitimate 6-3, and Kendricks is a shade over 5-11.
It may have had something to do with Chip adding to his Duck collection but if you have a chance to get a legitimate 6'3" then dammit you pull that trigger and hope he doesn't blow out that ACL again on the flight to Philly.