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Dammit. Every potential pick just moved up 1 spot in line while this jackass heads to the bottom of round 2. Some teams are going to take his name off their boards entirely. Idiot. 

I don't know... the whole re-sign Guion after pot trouble seemed out of character for this front office.  it made me wonder just how much coaching staffs know about players and whether the attitude is, or already has, changed inside the locker rooms.  so let's not hold a little pot trouble against the kid. 

I don't think he slips too much.  He wasn't arrested; he was cited.  And seeing as the stuff is well on it's way to being legal in all 50 states within the next 10-15 years, it's not a huge concern, at least for me.  Of course he is an idiot for speeding with weed in his car the week of the draft, but I doubt it changes his draft stock more than a few picks (if that).  

 

And since we're on the topic, I do think Gregory falls but not for his drug test as much as it is his lack of size.  Sub 230 lb. pass rushers do not last in this league.  Just ask Aaron Maybin.  

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Originally Posted by CUPackFan:

       

I don't think he slips too much.  He wasn't arrested; he was cited.  And seeing as the stuff is well on it's way to being legal in all 50 states within the next 10-15 years, it's not a huge concern, at least for me.  Of course he is an idiot for speeding with weed in his car the week of the draft, but I doubt it changes his draft stock more than a few picks (if that).  

 

And since we're on the topic, I do think Gregory falls but not for his drug test as much as it is his lack of size.  Sub 230 lb. pass rushers do not last in this league.  Just ask Aaron Maybin.  


       


Yeah if a team really wants Ray or Gregory then a little weed isn't going to make a difference...for teams on the fence or that had them graded equally to a much cleaner prospect then it could be the deciding factor to go in another direction. A team like Atlanta that is probably considering a pass rusher vs. LT vs. RB may decide Ray or Gregory aren't worth the headache and go with a cleaner prospect like Scherff or Peat.  Any team that drafts Gregory will have to be patient with him because of his size. If you're wanting a guy to start from day 1 I doubt he's your guy, but in a year or two after bulking up a little and learning the ropes he could be a terror. Whoever takes him better have a starter because relying on him would be a mistake.
The name of the game is sack the QB.

If the make it to round 2, the Jags or one of the teams in the top 7-10 picks of round 2 will take them.

Could be Green Bay with a trade down from #30
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

This has nothing to do with weed. This has everything to do with timing and decision making and should be a big red flag. 

Chili for the win

 

And what this does is invite even more scrutiny into his past. And what they often find is that its not an isolated incident...and that raises even more red flags.

The draftees and NFL players also have to wake up to the fact that these aren't just random pull-overs either. Teams will invest in a P.I. to tail a kid- a wise move before investing millions and a precious draft pick. The cops/investigators have license plate readers in every car, Stingray cell-phone signal-stealers and other means of electronic surveilance

They can all read Facebook Instagram and twitter too. These players are being targeted, poked and prodded behind the scenes with as much fervor as they are at the combine to assess their physical traits.

 

NFL teams have stationed spies at college bars to see how these guys behave. Nothing is off limits and the background checks that are done now are more invasive than ever before.

 

They enter into the NFL in stage 1 which means instead of 1 test a year- they are getting tested several times/month. That's a bad bet with a guy like Gregory who couldn't even stop for 1 month before the combine.

Although NFL front offices and coaches would prefer their guy's lay off the weed, it's not realistic. It's pretty common in the NFL. The reason it's pretty common is the bargained drug testing for weed. A good analogy would be a DUI checkpoint in the Mojave desert with warning signals starting about 60 miles out. 

 

If a a guy fails a test when he's in the NFL. If a guy fails a test at the combine. If a guy is caught speeding carrying weed 3 days before the draft and he's a projected first rounder. He is:

 

1. A complete ****ing moron.

2. Losing to an addiction. 

 

Neither of those options is worthy of risking a 1st or 2nd round pick. 

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The 1 thing I'll say  is the rookie salary cap has now allowed teams to take a chance.

 

The biggest key is figuring out where the players are slotted on the other 31 teams boards. 

 

But you're right....it's a gigantic red flag.

 

STAY AWAY!

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I think it really depends on the player and how talented he is. Teams are being very forgiving with Jameis Winston, there's a lot of red flags with that guy. Shane Ray is a really good player, but he's not good enough to overcome this kind of NFL scrutiny apparently. Teams will forgive character flaws/red flags to a point, if Jadaveon Clowney had this same incident happen I guarantee he still goes #1.

I'm not so sure. I know QB desperation runs amok, but I'd have taken Ray over Winston and still might. I don't think Ray will slide that far. Nobody wants to be teh team that passed on a Warren Sapp or even a Randy Moss, despite the fact they're turds.

Originally Posted by Tdog:

       

NFL teams have stationed spies at college bars to see how these guys behave.

If ANYONE knows how to apply for this job please let me know.  I have decades of experience!


       


Ok, Ben Roethlisberger. Your application is carefully being considered

The so called experts are all over the map on Ray, some say a drop of a couple of slots, others as far as the 3rd round.....should be very interesting.  As others have said, it is not the weed, it is the lack of judgement, the immaturity , the stupidity of doing this days before millions are in your pocket.    The moral is, smoke em if Ya got em.....at home.

The 1 thing I'll say  is the rookie salary cap has now allowed teams to take a chance.

 

 

January 22, 2015 3:59 PM

With the rookie pool/cap, it really doesn't matter where a player was picked. Just show up on Sunday and play like you mean it.

 

 

But don't be a dummass first.

I'm draftable.

 

My measurables are perfect for ILB.  6' 2" 235 pounds and I look great in my underwear.  You can catch the ball race to my feet.  Lefty just pulled ahead.  

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The police would like to speak with potential 1st round pick La'el Collins about a recent homicide of a pregnant woman.

 

"We are consistently pursuing getting in touch with him, not as a suspect, but to ask him questions about the victim"

 

I'm no ****ing Columbo but the green room in Chicago Thursday night might be a good place to start looking for him. 

 

Nothing would make draft night more special than Baton Rouge police tazing Collins right as he's about to french kiss Goodell. 

Originally Posted by Henry:

 

My measurables are perfect for ILB.  6' 2" 235 pounds and I look great in my underwear. 

If you can crack  5 seconds in the 40 with a feather up yer arse... you can play in this league

Originally Posted by Henry:

I'm draftable.

 

My measurables are perfect for ILB.  6' 2" 235 pounds and I look great in my underwear.  You can catch the ball race to my feet.  Lefty just pulled ahead.  

Are you scrappy? Live in the film room?

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

The police would like to speak with potential 1st round pick La'el Collins about a recent homicide of a pregnant woman.

 

"We are consistently pursuing getting in touch with him, not as a suspect, but to ask him questions about the victim"

 

I'm no ****ing Columbo but the green room in Chicago Thursday night might be a good place to start looking for him. 

 

Nothing would make draft night more special than Baton Rouge police tazing Collins right as he's about to french kiss Goodell. 

Well, unless they missed and got Rog instead.

Originally Posted by Satori:
Originally Posted by Henry:

 

My measurables are perfect for ILB.  6' 2" 235 pounds and I look great in my underwear. 

If you can crack  5 seconds in the 40 with a feather up yer arse... you can play in this league

Yeah leaves the 15.8 40 time out how convenient.

 

 ·  1h 1 hour ago

Ted Thompson seems to have placed special emphasis on age for players on the first 2 days of the draft at positions where speed is important

 

 

 ·  1h 1 hour ago

Look at recent picks of players 21 and under: Randall Cobb, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Devante Adams. Go back a little further, Finley.

 

@BrianCarriveau

Players 21 and under that could interest the on the first 2 days include WR Funchess, OLB Harold, ILB Alexander & CB Carter.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Brak:
 

Yeah leaves the 15.8 40 time out how convenient.

 

Well ****, I just added Hank to the consensus board but made a fundamental mistake of not asking for a 40 time.  Not sure anyone has a good enough bubble to make up for being that slow.  

In an uber-ironical twist of fate, Hank is a tweener.

Played outside in college, but he projects inside in the pros.

Will be working closely with Winston Moss during his (accelerated) 7 year development plan

 

 

Think so. Plus specialists.

 

Still shaking my head at his column from the other day.  Credit to Bob for his honesty, namely that he just can't suss out Ted. ROTTT indeed.

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Chicago's best pizza in order- Giordano's, Pizzaria Uno/Due, Gino's, Lou Malnati's.

Portillo's sucks. If you want really good Italian Beef, you go to Al's. Make sure they soak the sammich in the Au jus. Only way to eat Italian beef.

Best German eats- Berghoff. sausage platter and pick a beer. Oh my.

If you want to eat in Chicago, that's where. If you get out to Naperville area, find The Bavarian Lodge. They have Hacker Pschorr Munich Gold on tap. Oh my goodness...
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Were you involved in an industrial accident that rendered your taste buds dead or?

 

Coalfire and Vito & Nick's are better than anything you listed for pizza. I'll grant Giordanos is good - for the abomination that is deep dish which isn't pizza. And, Pizzeria Uno?  OMG.  I can now only assume that you simply forgot to list Sbaro?  

 

Portillos is perfect when it comes to dogs.  

 

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Best German eats- Berghoff. sausage platter and pick a beer. Oh my.
Grandpa was a German immigrant butcher.  Unfortunately, he had retired by the time I was born so he wasn't preparing his own cuts of meat.  But he and Grandma did do some of their shopping at the ethnic butcher shop.  Weißwurst and real German Leberwurst.  Yummy.
Originally Posted by cuqui:


As good as Jalen Collins and Marcus Peters could be, I just don't see how Ted could take either of them at #30.  Why would he gamble on all that baggage when players like Kendricks, Odighizuwa, Phillips, Anthony, McKinney, etc could be there (at least 4 of those 5 likely make it to #30). 

 

It's very interesting that NFL scouts/executives list Waynes as the runaway best player at cornerback, and then a different poll by McGinn has Gordon as being a better prospect than Waynes by an 8-4 margin.  How is Melvin not a top half of the first round prospect with results like that?  If he makes it to Jacksonville in round two that might be the best value pick in this entire draft.

“Pain is a relatively objective, physical phenomenon; suffering is our psychological resistance to what happens. Events may create physical pain, but they do not in themselves create suffering. Resistance creates suffering. Stress happens when your mind resists what is... The only problem in your life is your mind's resistance to the draft as it unfolds. ”

What is it about Odighizuwa that makes people think he belongs in the r1 conversation? He's Nick Perry and Courtney Upshaw with less pass rushing skill. I would take Miss St DE Preston Smith at 30 before I would take Odighizuwa.

Melvin is rated lower than Waynes because of the relative value of their positions. Gordon may be a better overall player, but Waynes is the best player at a position that is more valuable in today's NFL. Gordon won't make it past San Diego IMO.
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
What is it about Odighizuwa that makes people think he belongs in the r1 conversation? 

He has an elite vowel- to- consonant ratio

Uh oh. The last time a conversation between police and player started like this was "We just want to talk Mr. Hernandez"...

 

Anyone hearing confirmation the Browns are in fact trading both their #1 picks to Tennessee to move to #2 so they can pick Mariota?

 

 

Sportscenter just tweeted it. Source is the ESPN Cleveland guy.

@SportsCenter: Browns offer two 1st-round picks to Titans for No. 2 overall selection, where they would plan to take Marcus Mariota. (via @PatMcManamon)

Meanwhile LaCanfora with this:

@JasonLaCanfora: Browns had already been offering up one of their 2 first rounders for Sam Bradford - 1st to STL and then to Philly. They want a new QB.

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If it's true it reeks of a Chip Kelly three way "you draft Marcus and I'll trade you Bradford and picks" after the fact. 

 

There is no damn way Cleveland uses two 1st rounders to move up to select another QB in round 1 and keep him. No possible way. 

Originally Posted by cuqui:

Sportscenter just tweeted it. Source is the ESPN Cleveland guy.

@SportsCenter: Browns offer two 1st-round picks to Titans for No. 2 overall selection, where they would plan to take Marcus Mariota. (via @PatMcManamon)

Meanwhile LaCanfora with this:

@JasonLaCanfora: Browns had already been offering up one of their 2 first rounders for Sam Bradford - 1st to STL and then to Philly. They want a new QB.

I wonder if the Browns' owner will ever choose the opinion of a homeless guy over his scouts ever again. 

Only question regarding that entire scenario is this. If a 3 way back door deal like this was agreed on what would Cleveland's recourse be if Tampa screwed the apple cart and took Marcus 1 overall? Cleveland calling Chip saying, "I know it's Jameis but we still have a deal, right???"

 

Are these teams talking with Tampa as well to make sure everyone is on the same page? 

#1 I am so damn glad our team isn't in the position to maybe take another QB in the 1st round like the Browns are. What would it be something like 3 in 4 years?

 

I kind of hope Chip mortgages the future for Mariota.  I think he could do well in Chips system but man at some point the Eagles are going to have to play defense and not just rely on outscoring people.  Sooner or later NFL D coordinators will catch up to him (I would argue maybe they already are), injuries can happen, or they just have a bad day. 

 

i will admit to watching very little College football but is Mariota really this good?  Is he worth mortgaging the future on?  Don't get me wrong I think the kid seems like he has a great head on his shoulders but is he really worth it? 

 

ChilliJohn, I will laugh outloud if Tampa takes Mariota.  And honestly I have a hunch that they will.

My guess is it's Tennessee trying to drive the price of the pick up and Cleveland is not offering the farm for Mariota.

 

It also seems that the long-term members of the Ron Wolf GM tree don't spend first-round picks on high-flame-out positions like WR and short-lived RBs, instead staying relatively "safe" with guys like offensive tackles.

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Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Only question regarding that entire scenario is this. If a 3 way back door deal like this was agreed on what would Cleveland's recourse be if Tampa screwed the apple cart and took Marcus 1 overall? Cleveland calling Chip saying, "I know it's Jameis but we still have a deal, right???"

 

Are these teams talking with Tampa as well to make sure everyone is on the same page? 

I wouldn't trust talking to Tampa. Who knows what last minute offer comes in. Any trade should not be finalized until one of the trade partners is on the clock.

Let's be honest. The draft is infinitely more enjoyable because of all the clown shows running front offices. 

 

If every front office had Ozzie, Ted, Schneider type guys the draft would be held on a Tuesday night as soon as the combine wrapped up. No drama. No leaked info. No potential for franchise crippling trades.

 

Just 7 rounds of drafting in a little over 3 hours and that would be that. 

Originally Posted by Boris:

I think we'll try Al's Beef. Probably Portillos too

FWIW, Mrs. Coach who grew up in Hoffman Estates endorses Giordano's for deep dish pizza. Her best friend from high school who still lives up there swears by Portillo's.

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Originally Posted by Coach:
Originally Posted by Boris:

I think we'll try Al's Beef. Probably Portillos too

FWIW, Mrs. Coach who grew up in Hoffman Estates endorses Giordano's for deep dish pizza. Her best friend from high school who still lives up there swears by Portillo's.

FIBS.....

Have never understood the passion for Portillo's and I have been living here for 28 years. Average food at best. Many better hot dog joints and the local deli has far better Italian beef along with better prices.

I have my finalized mock (with trades) signed, sealed and delivered to Steve.  Depending on the sobriety of our postal service, he should have it in hand for the first pick.  

 

Hoping to beat my record from last year of calling 22 of the second round picks correctly.

Hmmm.

According to a report from NFL insider Jason La Canfora, the Eagles are shopping inside linebacker Mychal Kendricks for a second round draft pick.

"Eagles are shopping LB Mychal Kendricks. Seeking a 2nd round pick in return. Teams are balking at that price but something could happen."

This news doesn't exactly come as a surprise...

Kendricks trade speculation first emerged when the team announced a contract extension for veteran linebacker DeMeco Ryans. With Ryans set to return despite coming off an Achilles injury, the Eagles have a logjam at linebacker since Kiko Alonso was also acquired this offseason.

The Eagles drafted Kendricks in the second round of the 2012 NFL Draft. He's played quite well for Philadelphia despite some injury issues. It doesn't make sense that the team is willing to get rid of him, but it seems clear they want to move on.

http://www.bleedinggreennation...er-second-round-pick

 

Other than running against Ted's MO, why wouldn't this be a good move for the Packers?

 

EDIT: After thinking about it for a few minutes, only real downside I can see is the amount of coin the Packers already have invested in the LB position. Mychal want to get paid. But still.

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Mychal Kendricks would be the best ILB in this draft. If Ted could get him for his second rounder knowing what he knows about his NFL numbers Id think he'd make that deal in 2 seconds. 

 

WTF is Chip Kelly up to?!?!?!?

No more than a 3rd, preferably a 4th.  He'll need a big extension so not worth a 2nd - need that young and cheap talent.  Plus, this draft is supposed to be very deep in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.  

I really think Chip Kelly is going to bomb.  Even if he did bring in the right players (which i don't believe he did), you can't have this kind of turnover and be successful.  Only reason they might crack .500 this year is because they're playing the NFC South.  

If you can get Kendricks for a second rounder you make that deal right damn now. He's in the last year of his rookie deal. $890k. Let him play that year out then make a decision on Peppers. 

 

Clay, Peppers, Kendricks. **** would that be magical. 

 

I dont think the 2nd round asking price is entirely accurate. 

Originally Posted by Boris:

McGinns Top 100

 

He does an excellent job  the last 5 years with this


I'll give it a shot:

 

1.  Jameis Winston/QB/Florida State

2.  Marcus Mariota/QB/Oregon

3.  Leonard Williams/DT/Southern California

4.  Amari Cooper/WR/Alabama

5.  Dante Fowler Jr./OLB/Florida

6.  Kevin White/WR/West Virginia

7.  Brandon Scherff/OT/Iowa

8.  Todd Gurley/RB/Georgia

9.  Trae Waynes/CB/Michigan State

10. Andrus Peat/OT/Stanford

11. DeVante Parker/WR/Louisville

12. Malcom Brown/DT/Texas

13. D.J. Humphries/OT/Florida

14. Alvin Dupree/OLB/Kentucky

15. Arik Armstead/DE/Oregon

16. Vic Beasley/DE/Clemson

17. Shane Ray/OLB/Missouri

18. Danny Shelton/DT/Washington

19. Melvin Gordon/RB/Wisconsin

20. Randy Gregory/DE/Nebraska

21. Ereck Flowers/OT/Miami, Fl

22. Kevin Johnson/WR/Wake Forest

23. Landon Collins/S/Alabama

24. Eddie Goldman/DT/Florida State

25. Eli Harold/OLB/Virginia

26. Byron Jones/CB/Connecticut

27. Nelson Agholor/WR/Southern California

28. Breshad Perriman/WR/Central Florida

29. Marcus Peters/CB/Washington

30. Eric Kendricks/ILB/UCLA

31. La'el Collins/OG/Louisiana State

32. Jalen Collins/CB/Louisiana State

33. Owamagbe Odighizuwa/OLB/UCLA

34. Jordan Phillips/DT/Oklahoma

35. Cameron Erving/C/Florida State

36. Preston Smith/DE/Mississippi State

37. P.J. Williams/CB/Florida State

38. Jaelen Strong/WR/Arizona State

39. Damarious Randall/S/Arizona State

40. Jake Fisher/OT/Oregon

41. Dorial Green-Beckham/WR/Oklahoma

42. T.J. Clemmings/OT/Pittsburgh

43. Ronald Darby/CB/Florida State

44. Tevin Coleman/RB/Indiana

45. Maxx Williams/TE/Minnesota

46. Phillip Dorsett/WR/Miami, Fl

47. Carl Davis/DT/Iowa

48. Mario Edwards Jr./DE/Florida State

49. Benardrick McKinney/ILB/Mississippi State

50. Cedric Ogbuehi/OT/Texas A&M

51. Stephone Anthony/ILB/Clemson

52. Michael Bennett/DT/Ohio State

53. Shaq Thompson/OLB/Washington

54. Sammie Coates/WR/Auburn

55. Devin Smith/WR/Ohio State

56. Jay Ajayi/RB/Boise State

57. Nate Orchard/OLB/Utah

58. Ameer Abdullah/RB/Nebraska

59. Denzel Perryman/ILB/Miami, Fl

60. Duke Johnson/RB/Miami, Fl

61. Quinten Rollins/CB/Miami, OH

62. A.J. Cann/OG/South Carolina

63. Danielle Hunter/DE/Louisiana State

64. Laken Tomlinson/OG/Duke

65. Paul Dawson/ILB/Texas Christian

66. Eric Rowe/CB/Utah

67. Donovan Smith/OG/Penn State

68. Tre' Jackson/OG/Florida State

69. T.J. Yeldon/RB/Alabama

70. Jaquiski Tartt/S/Samford

71. Lorenzo Mauldin/OLB/Louisville

72. Tyler Lockett/WR/Kansas State

73. Devin Funchess/WR/Michigan

74. Clive Walford/TE/Miami, Fl

75. David Johnson/RB/Northern Iowa

76. Senquez Golson/CB/Mississippi

77. Grady Jarrett/DT/Clemson

78. Brett Hundley/QB/UCLA

79. D'Joun Smith/CB/Florida Atlantic

80. Ali Marpet/C/Hobart

81. Alex Carter/CB/Stanford

82. Josh Shaw/CB/Southern California

83. Doran Grant/CB/Ohio State

84. Tre McBride/WR/William & Mary

85. Rashad Greene/WR/Florida State

86. Xavier Cooper/DT/Washington State

87. Charles Gaines/CB/Louisville

88. Jeremy Langford/RB/Michigan State

89. Gabe Wright/DT/Auburn

90. Hauoli Kikaha/OLB/Washington

91. Tyler Kroft/TE/Rutgers

92. Marcus Hardison/DE/Arizona State

93. Ty Sambrailo/OT/Colorado State

94. Jeremiah Poutasi/OT/Utah

95. Kwon Alexander/OLB/Louisiana State

96. Chris Conley/WR/Georgia

97. Steven Nelson/CB/Oregon State

98. Hroniss Grasu/C/Oregon

99. Za'Darius Smith/DE/Kentucky

100. Trey Flowers/DE/Arkansas

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Mychal Kendricks would be the best ILB in this draft. If Ted could get him for his second rounder knowing what he knows about his NFL numbers Id think he'd make that deal in 2 seconds. 

 

WTF is Chip Kelly up to?!?!?!?


When the McCoy/Alonso trade happened, there was talk that Kelly wanted Alonso because of his length.  Alonso is a legitimate 6-3, and Kendricks is a shade over 5-11.

It may have had something to do with Chip adding to his Duck collection but if you have a chance to get a legitimate 6'3" then dammit you pull that trigger and hope he doesn't blow out that ACL again on the flight to Philly. 

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