Fanspeak is fun to play with. IIRC, in the past they included other sites boards (maybe Walter Football) for use. From what I've seen so far I will not be surprised if Thompson tries to trade out of the 1st. Sort of like he did when he drafted Jordy.
Based on recent NFL history, it takes an extra special player to be an ILB drafted in the 1st round, and then perform to justify that draft position to the fans.
ILB might rank #1 and #2 on this team's list of needs, but I think anything in the front seven is in play for R1.
How they view Raji (need to re-sign v. let him walk) will play a large roll in how they target RD1. If this is a good draft for ILB's they could very well go DT/NT in RD1.
Kendricks is a good ILB and the comparisons to Barnett are fair, but I never really felt Barnett was a great fit for this D. It was like night/day when he was injured and Bishop replaced him. Barnett struggled with the same thing Hawk/Jones struggle with: shedding OL and getting to the ball cleanly. Bishop, like Barrington, struggled with being over-aggressive and just flat out missed at times, but I will take a player who is over-aggressive than a player who is under-aggressive or thinking too much (like Hawk and Jones).
I feel your (and some others') love of Bishop is rather tinted against his fairly serious faults. He was an old-school thumper, but outside of the short area, he was a mess. What I would have liked to see was a Barnett/Bishop tandem as their strengths could help cover the other's weakness. Barnett could get from sideline-to-sideline and could cover the seam, the flat or even run deep. Bishop could better stand up an OG.
Hawk couldn't do either. He wasn't fast and wasn't stout and that hasn't changed.
I feel your (and some others') love of Bishop is rather tinted against his fairly serious faults. He was an old-school thumper, but outside of the short area, he was a mess.
Des could get outside of the short area at times
Barnett was decent. He was unlike Hawk in that he was aggressive, but sometimes too aggressive and he'd shoot the wrong gap. He was a lot like Hawk in that he was really good at making tackles 6 yards downfield after getting dragged for a while. He was just too small and yes, that 2010 defense got markedly better when Bishop hit the field.
Lets face it, that 2010 defense got a lot stronger when Howard Green came in around the same time and Walden started taking Poppinga's snaps. Barnett could be over-aggressive at times, sure, but he was a damn sight better than Hawk.
If Hawk is the measuring stick....you need to find a different stick
If Hawk was a penis you would not only need a penis pump to enlarge but Cialis to last until the fourth quarter. And you would never get there too early again.
Have a nice day. Sunny again in South Padre.
personal experience Rpackya?
2010
One of my all time favorite pictures.
This was our year. It was time....dammit
That was a 15 yard penalty. Marshawn Lynch grabbing his crotch, not so much.
It took Nick a couple years to turn into Nick. Year 2 or 3 Ha Ha knocks that Wilson 2 point conversion prayer away or just picks it off. Maybe he even grabs Burnett by the shoulder and tells him he's not going down after that pick. Ha Ha was looking to clear a path.
Ha Ha needs to keep developing but it does look like GB may have found the safety it desperately needed.
from what I saw this year I'm thoroughly DELIGHTED with HHCD.
Only thing I didn't like about Clinton-Dix was his lack of wrapping up when attempting to make a tackle. Too many times he'd just try to put a shoulder into a running back only to bounce off. Overall he did seem to play that back end pretty well for a rookie. There were some misses but it wasn't like he was getting torched left and right. If I were to grade him I'd go with a B-, pretty solid for a rookie and could easily improve with some work on his tackling.
He tackled very well more often than not.
The 2 plays by HHCD that really impressed me were:
Breaking up that pass to Gronk in the endzone, I haven't seen a packer safety do that in a long time.
Grabbing Martellus Bennett 1" short of the goal line and never letting him cross it.
Those are 2 big dudes who were about to make big plays and HHCD won both battles.
That dude is a keeper and will only get better, hell for a rookie safety I would give him an A for the season, I didn't expect him to have as much impact as he did.
from what I saw this year I'm thoroughly DELIGHTED with HHCD.
Completely agree, although Jerron McMillian and Doc Jennings set the bar pretty low for an upgrade at the position.
Seems a lot of mocks have either Perryman or Kendricks available at #30 but have GB picking a NT or DT instead.
Based on the way Ted has picked in the past, I'd guess that he's going to see McKinney and a couple of the DTs as solid first round picks and have Perryman and Kendricks graded just slightly lower. I'd also guess that he'd take Kendricks ahead of Perryman. The combine will play a big factor in this, Ted loves athletes on defense.
The 2 plays by HHCD that really impressed me were:
Breaking up that pass to Gronk in the endzone, I haven't seen a packer safety do that in a long time.
You don't see many S in general doing that at all anymore. Very vet play for him as a rook.
HHCD, and a few other NFL players peppered in this edition from Key & Peele.
FanSpeak just overhauled their big board. Lots more prospects and in more realistic draft slots.
I mock mocks that mock before the combine.
It sucks picking 30th, but that's better than 31st
30th is better than 31st but worse than 32nd.
1st round money in pocket....no need to worry about anything the rest of my life
Good to go!
Or Matt Flynn'n it.
1st round money in pocket....no need to worry about anything the rest of my life
Good to go!
I'll have a hard time ever being upset about Sherrod. Know he didn't show much but good heavens, his was one of the worst on field injuries I ever saw. By all accounts he worked his ass off to try and get on the field again.
FYI, for those interested, FanSpeak unveiled the Composite draft board today:
Here is mine:
30: R1P30TE MAXX WILLIAMS
MINNESOTA
If you are going to spell your name with two X's, why not go full douchebag and add the third x?
1: Erick Kendricks ILB UCLA
2. Ellis McCarthy DT UCLA
3. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB Oregon
4. Tyrus Thompson OT Oklahoma
5. Stephone Anthony ILB Clemson
6. Damian Swann CB Georgia
7. Shaquille Riddick OLB West Virginia
This would be pretty sweet. TE never lined up with the picks and this assumes Cobb is re-signed and either Williams or House is gone.
Getting Ifo in the third would be sick.
Yeah, he's been there both times I've run through it and that would definitely rock mightily. McCarthy looks good with the Mary Guion arrest also.
I'm guessing Ted would pass on Ifo Ekpre-Olomu even if he was sitting there in the third round. Too short for Ted's liking.
Depends on the tape measure. If he's a legit 5'10" with good other measurements he'd be a choice. If he's really 5'8" then no.
I wish I could hear what some of these guys say in meetings. I bet some really ridiculous stuff comes out from both the player and the team (I'm looking at you Jeff Ireland)! That said, I take reports like these with a grain of salt. I'm sure teams love to play games with the media. This could easily be a team at the end of R1 or beginning of R2 trying to shine a negative light on Davis' character so some team thinks twice about picking him.
I took a few classes with Carl at U of I. Seemed like a stand-up, hardworking guy. I tend to take most of what comes out of WalterFootball with a grain of salt. That's where the rumors about Jadaveon Clowney not being a hard worker started during last years draft.
nfl.com 1st mock:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/...ance-zierlein/220600
If GB goes with Zook and drafts a CB in round 1 I'm going to ****ing lose it. That's all I have to say about that.
Trader Ted is getting 3 significant contributors from the 2nd round this year.
WR, ILB, DT
while it is possible Ted will trade up, I suspect like H5 does, that Ted will work to accumulate additional 2nd and 3rd round picks (not sure about three seconds, but I can see a second and a third being in his pocket that he didn't start the day with).
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnor...nd-in-packers-future
McShay has them going with Maxx Williams as well.
By time the combine is done he may not be there anymore.
If GB goes with Zook and drafts a CB in round 1 I'm going to ****ing lose it. That's all I have to say about that.
If Tramon and House both go, I'd be all for a CB early. Hayward is built for the slot and their other choice is a project.
I'd be shocked if both House AND Tramon go. And just as shocked if BOTH come back. House will be interesting, as he's a legit starting CB in this league when healthy. But he's never healthy. Ever. But it just takes one team to roll the dice and drive the price tag beyond what the Packers will pay. If I'm TT, House gets a prove-it deal, $6 million over 2 years. If House is gone, look for the Packers to sign Tramon to a 2-3 year deal averaging $4-5 million a year.
Even when House is healthy he is not a complete CB a la 2010 Tramon (who is clearly gone). House is a bit stiff and struggles with quick shifty receivers when they flank out wide. Though he is good vs physical giants like Julio Jones and Megatroid. If you keep House and let Tramon walk, you still need a guy to replace what Tramon gives you vs. Trips.
No Ted does not have a good record at draft DB's, he gets them through free agency, and undrafted guys.
Thompson's drafted DBs. Pretty good track record from where I'm sitting. He also gets players from UDFA / FA. Here's the thing I like about Thompson.........
| 2014 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 1 | 21 | Ha Ha Clinton-Dix | FS | Alabama |
| 6 | 197 | Demetri Goodson | DB | Baylor |
| 2013 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 5 | 159 | Micah Hyde | CB | Iowa |
| 2012 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 2 | 62 | Casey Hayward | CB | Vanderbilt |
| d | 133 | Jerron McMillian | SS | Maine |
| 2011 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 4 | 131 | Davon House | DB | New Mexico State |
| 2010 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 3 | 71 | Morgan Burnett | SS | Georgia Tech |
| 2009 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 6 | 187 | Brandon Underwood | DB | Cincinnati |
| 2008 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 2 | 60 | Pat Lee | CB | Auburn |
| 2007 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 3 | 89 | Aaron Rouse | SS | Virginia Tech |
| 2006 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 4 | 115 | Will Blackmon | CB | Boston College |
| 6 | 185 | Tyrone Culver | DB | Fresno State |
| 2005 - GREEN BAY PACKERS | ||||
| RD | SEL # | PLAYER | POSITION | SCHOOL |
| 2 | 51 | Nick Collins | FS | Bethune-Cookman |
| 4 | 115 | Marviel Underwood | DB | San Diego State |
| 5 | 167 | Mike Hawkins | DB | Oklahoma |
| 7 | 245 | Kurt Campbell | CB | Albany State (NY) |
TT hasn't drafted a starting-caliber boundary corner in his tenure. He inherited Al Harris, signed Charles Woodson, etc. He did draft both starting safeties and the nickle and dime backs. We rate the claim mostly false.
I don't get that.
If he had used a draft pick on Shields and Williams, he'd be considered better at finding corners?
He gets more credit for finding UDFA guys, and the reason drafted guys like Hayward and House haven't started is because of those UDFA that fell into Ted's lap.
Pat Lee can jump over a Volkswagen.
Talk about a guy that flashed in the pan at the right time.
And Woodson was one of TT's few forays in to "real" free agency. When you sign a top-notch, multi-year starter it does kind of alleviate the need to spend picks on one for a few years. Harris & Woodson? Develop Williams. Williams and Woodson? Work in Shields.
Yep. Pat Lee had basically one good half in his GBP - and I guess entire NFL - career. Good thing that happened in the second half of the Super Bowl.
They must see something in Goodson as well. Otherwise they would not have kept him around and even made him active towards the end of the year, even though it was only on those vaunted STs units. I know they jettisoned the Immortal Jumal Rolle for him, but I guess we'll see what if anything he has next summer.
That said, I think one of the two CBs will be back. If they do somehow lose both, then Ted will probably pick a DB high. As the list above shows regardless of how they all turned out, Ted drafts a lot of DBs. That's not an accident.
TT loves his CBs. I personally wouldn't be shocked or upset if TT grabs a good CB in the first round.
Except rarely is a guy truly the "best player on the board" without other qualification, it's usually "guy in the tier who best fills a need".
I found it kind of fun where Ron Wolf said something along the lines of never having as many guys rated as first rounders as their were teams and still not running in to problems with value prospect availability.
Somwhat also, but what we hear about real draft boards is they're not so black & white but rather grouped by tiers so if lots of guys are valued in the tier you're drafting, trade back and still get one, while if you're just missing a marked talent cutoff to the next tier you trade up. That's also supposedly why there are lots of trades later as the top guys are pretty easy to pick out while there's less agreement on the late-tier guys.
NFL Draft summary. I need more tape on this.
Yeah that's how the Rodgers pick happened. He was the only first rounder left on TT's board and while it wasn't a "need", it certainly wasn't a "don't need". They looked at trading out but at the end of their 15 minutes, the value was in picking Rodgers. The rest, as they say, was history.
Now I have to watch Idiocracy again. Funny movie.
If a punter is BPA, then YOU DRAFT A PUNTER IN THE THIRD ROUND
Whether you need one or not.
If a punter is BPA, then YOU DRAFT A PUNTER IN THE THIRD ROUND
No matter WHAT it takes to get him.
I think LBs, especially MLB/ILBs, tend to be kind of wildcards in the personality department. I think you have to be a crazy SOB to be a great ILB, they hit the hardest, throw their bodies around carelessly, lead with their head, etc...crazy SOB's probably aren't the most reliable group though. I think about guys like Ray Lewis, easily the best ILB of his generation but he was a crazy motherf*cker, especially in his younger years. It seems Thompson has tried to get ILBs who are a little more reliable, personality wise, on and off the field. All of the guys he has brought in have been reasonably good guys it seems, but they've all been bad ILBs...Barrington seems the most promising and you can definitely see an attitude difference between him and Hawk/Jones.
He also liked to play the piano. Crazy!
One spot I think needs attention is DE. They're really fairly weak at that spot right now. Jones hasn't been healthy, Daniels hasn't been smart or consistent (probably most due to size) and Boyd's not very fluid. They mix it up a lot, but a guy who can come in and play in the "base" would definitely be helpful.
Daniels had the one brain fart so I wouldn't say he hasn't been smart. He was by far the most consistent of the DL this season. Jones has played in 29 of 32 (regular season) games, I wouldn't say he hasn't been healthy, and he showed steady progress this season.
But I do expect them to take DL in the first 3 rounds.
Daniels gets completely blown out against the run, seemingly most often later in games, a little too often for my tastes. The guy's explosive, but not very big. It would be nice if they could spell him a little more and maybe keep him fresher. They seemed to be trying to do that more later in the season this year, just not with great results from linemen.
Jones has been dinged up quite a bit. I still think/hope he'll be a solid DL, but again, another solid guy to rotate with he and Daniels I feel would be an importan addition.
The 3-4 needs big bodies near the ball to work. Getting better there gets the D better overall. It's why TT has drafted DL every year and will continue to do so.
How quickly and conveniently you dip****s forget about
Ya, take him lightly if you want folks, but as clueless as he was as a rookie Thornton showed great quickness and we know he is a big dude. 3-4 DE and DT in general is a man's game based on leverage and movement and strength. It takes time to master all 3 concepts.
I actually thought Datone started to come into his own as a DE in the last half of the season. He's been dinged a little in the past, but I thought he showed marked improvement. Daniels is a nice rotational player also and I think the reason you saw him wear down later in games is probably the fact that he was playing too much. He showed some real talent the last two seasons though.
I do agree though that we need to upgrade some talent in the interior DL. We have a collection of good rotational players (Daniels, Raji, Jones, Boyd) and I'm optimistic that Pennell can become a similar rotational player. We need at least 1 elite player in that interior though who can consistently win 1 on 1 battles.
Yup, Pennell is the most likely guy to take that step forward.
I think GB will spend more time with 3 DL on the field next year. The hiring of another DL coach offers some hint.
The 2-4-5 nickle might become a 3-3-5 nickle if GB can find a suitable ILB
Daniels/Boyd/Raji/Thornton/Pennel rotating on early downs same and as last season- with Jones/Neal inside in pressure packages.
Wild card is Luther Robinson who showed something last year before getting dinged
Ya, take him lightly if you want folks, but as clueless as he was as a rookie Thornton showed great quickness and we know he is a big dude. 3-4 DE and DT in general is a man's game based on leverage and movement and strength. It takes time to master all 3 concepts.
Exactly. And don't listen to IowaCheesus
The combine is less important than it's every been IMO. I think teams mostly just use the combine for interviews and the weigh-in. Teams already know going into the combine if players are fast or strong or explosive, they rely on the tape and not manufactured workout numbers. There are some relevant numbers, like when a player's results are far outside what is expected (only managed 2 reps on the bench or ran over 5 sec 40 for example)...those kinds of numbers make you question how dedicated that player is to the process. It can be helpful for discovering lesser known prospects (Dri Archer comes to mind immediately) because I seriously doubt scouts and GMs have poured through tape on all 300 prospects at this point...guys like Dri Archer made teams go back and look at his tape. Overall though teams trust the film more than workout numbers so if Harper's tape is good then he won't have anything to worry about.
Yup, Pennell is the most likely guy to take that step forward.
...to the buffet line.
What's wrong with the buffet line. I may not be as productive as I was when I was in my 20's, but I still love the challenge of the buffet line.
The combine is good for draft geeks (I am anxiously awaiting for all of your 7 round mocks), and that's about it.
The 2014 draft proved (once again) you can hit gold or a turd anywhere. 2014 was one of TT's top 2 drafts of his tenure. 3 starters, 1 potential future starter and we might have had our KR/PR woes solved had Magic not gotten hurt...then again, it might mean we'd still have Slowcum has our ST coach...
I am looking forward to the accumulation of more ROTTallant this year.
The combine is less important than it's every been IMO.
I would fully agree yet the mocks seem to change most after the combine than any other offseason marker. Certain guys seem to rise like a rocket or drop like a stone after the combine. But then again, maybe the teams already had those players slotted there in the first place and the mocks (which have maybe 1% knowledge of how teams are going to draft) just catch up a little more after the combine.
Or maybe the honks writing about this stuff need to move guys around quite a bit to keep the traffic to their articles high. If they put the same guys in the same spots over and over, their readership drops.
Mel Kiper's 438 pre-draft mocks?
I think real talent evaluators use the combine to affirm game tape. If a guy runs faster/slower than expected, they go back to the game tape to see if they missed something. I think when a guy like Greg Robinson kills the combine and gets drafted #2, the Kipers of the world are just reacting late, which gives fans the idea that the combine caused him to rise. More likely is that NFL GMs already had Robinson that high and the combine just confirmed what they saw on game tape. Maybe he went up a little bit, but hardly went from 2nd round to #2 pick based on a 40 time. Same can be said of guys like Bridgewater, where the media dropped him after his poor pro day, causing fans to think the pro day is what pushed him down. More likely, is that teams had him there to begin with and the poor pro day just confirmed it.
