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It started five years ago this month. General manager Ted Thompson set a mandate after watching his defense surrender the most yards in the NFL, preventing a team that finished 15-1 in the regular season from advancing to the 2011 NFC championship game.

The Packers had to change.

Since, Thompson has pumped his most precious assets — first-round draft picks — into building a defense that could win a championship. For five straight years, the Packers have used their first-round pick on a defensive player.

“Did we?” asked Thompson, professing ignorance at last month’s NFL meetings.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/...s-pay-off/100421470/

Please don't insult the media and the fans intelligence. You and/or/combo with Dom have failed on defense.

Fedya posted:

Please don't insult the media and the fans intelligence.

This would require the media and Chickenboy having intelligence to insult.

Just need a meme added to make that an effective rip.

chickenboy posted:
Fedya posted:

Please don't insult the media and the fans intelligence.

This would require the media and Chickenboy having intelligence to insult.

Just need a meme added to make that an effective rip.

Is this a sequel to dumber and dumber????

chickenboy posted:

It started five years ago this month. General manager Ted Thompson set a mandate after watching his defense surrender the most yards in the NFL, preventing a team that finished 15-1 in the regular season from advancing to the 2011 NFC championship game.

The Packers had to change.

Since, Thompson has pumped his most precious assets — first-round draft picks — into building a defense that could win a championship. For five straight years, the Packers have used their first-round pick on a defensive player.

“Did we?” asked Thompson, professing ignorance at last month’s NFL meetings.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/...s-pay-off/100421470/

Please don't insult the media and the fans intelligence. You and/or/combo with Dom have failed on defense.

He's sorry. TT didn't mean to. Honest

For all the mock draft talk, did you ever stop to consider that prospective draft picks might considered themselves to be mocked by those who create mock drafts and then by those who mock mock drafts?  

There is a reason they call them "mock" drafts.  

A haul of something like TJ Watt (OLB)/Cordrea Tankersley (CB)/Josh Reynolds (WR)/Brian Hill (RB)/Chase Roullier (OL)/Tashawn Bower (OLB)/Detrich Wise Jr. (DT/DE/OLB)/Corey Clement (RB) would be pretty sweet. I somewhat doubt TT takes more than one corner with all the young guys on the roster they seem to like. 

Herschel posted:

A haul of something like TJ Watt (OLB)/Cordrea Tankersley (CB)/Josh Reynolds (WR)/Brian Hill (RB)/Chase Roullier (OL)/Tashawn Bower (OLB)/Detrich Wise Jr. (DT/DE/OLB)/Corey Clement (RB) would be pretty sweet. I somewhat doubt TT takes more than one corner with all the young guys on the roster they seem to like. 

I like Ogunbowale more than Clement. Ogunbowale can block and catch passes out of the backfield better than Clement and we can probably pick him up as an UDFA and use the spot Clement had here for someone else.

Ghost of Lambeau posted:

For all the mock draft talk, did you ever stop to consider that prospective draft picks might considered themselves to be mocked by those who create mock drafts and then by those who mock mock drafts?  

There is a reason they call them "mock" drafts.  

Ugh I hate this time of year. I wish the draft had not been pushed back.

Herschel posted:

TT/MM prefer bigger RBs. De'Veon Smith would be another possibility. The names don't have to be exact, just the spread of abilities and sort of the general draft position.  

Samaje Perine. Heavy on bull. Light on ballerina. Decent hands. Super high character kid. Late 3 early 4 projection. 

ChilliJon posted:
Herschel posted:

TT/MM prefer bigger RBs. De'Veon Smith would be another possibility. The names don't have to be exact, just the spread of abilities and sort of the general draft position.  

Samaje Perine. Heavy on bull. Light on ballerina. Decent hands. Super high character kid. Late 3 early 4 projection. 

Ozzie will steal him before TT gets a chance to draft him in the 3rd.

PackerPatrick posted:

interesting link on what rounds produce better at each position.

https://www.thepowersweep.com/...fl-draft-predictions 

Thanks for the link.  This is why I wouldn't take McCaffrey in the first, despite reports he could go top 10.  You're better served drafting an outside pass rusher in the first and looking for an RB later.  

Yes, its also matter of "value verses need". Reaching for need is often a fools errand. I am beginning to understand the phrase "Letting the draft come to you". As a fan its so frustrating to see a need that seems to be ignored by the team, when in fact, there is a much larger picture in play. The term "value" is beginning to make more sense now.

http://www.espn.com/blog/green...ice-is-usually-clear

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“A lot of waiting,” he said. “Most of the time, there are people around the league or associated with the league that’ll start to spread rumors. So, somebody was in a car wreck the night before or something like that, so you’re chasing down rumors and things. None of which is usually true.”

That's hilarious. Everyone is trying to manipulate the draft to get their way and have another team show their hand. I want to know if Ted is a rumor starter, maybe he's the reason ARod fell into his lap..."Hey Scot, the 49ers should only take Aaron Rodgers if you're okay having a gay QB running the team, if not then then you should take Alex Smith..." "Hey Mike Tice, have the Vikings decided who you're going to take because I heard Aaron Rodgers was going to fall and it's because he's more interested in golf and hollywood and not football..."

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Looks like GB may have their hope for Lang's replacement in-house:

4 hours ago Looks like Kyle Murphy has officially been moved to guard. Shouldn't have taken Lang leaving to put him in the best position  to succeed.

After a recent hospitalization due to food poisoning I would have failed the test due to "dilution". In this case he may have been right. I understand that some people try to cover up a possible positive in a drug test by over hydrating but that doesn't mean anything by itself. Perhaps I am missing something?

That's often a false dichotomy though. If you need two positions of relatively equal importance, say Left Tackle and Edge Rusher, do you take the LT and still get a very good edge prospect later, or take the slightly higher edge rusher and get stuck with a far inferior prospect later? Is it better value to increase your overall talent level more when a gap is slight initially?

First three rounds. Dream scenario:

29. Marlon Humphrey. CB. He might be the best free safety in the draft. He'll start at corner in Green Bay where he'll be just fine. Humphrey and HaHa potentially manning the deep middle for the next several years? Yes please. 

61. Tim Williams. Edge. Character concerns? Yep. Struggles against the run and reading coverage? You bet! But for pure pass rush ability he's the best player in this draft not named Myles Garrett. Tell Tim Williams his only job is to put the QB on the ground and he's a ****ing predator. 

93. Nico Siragusa. OG. Like every other OL guy in this draft. He's not technically sound. But he's a better than decent athlete. He's a true RG. He's got a mean streak. 

Wild ass prediction? Ted flips picks with Seattle in round one and grabs Hassan Reddick. 

Herschel posted:

Reuben Foster failed a drug test at the combine, so he may slide a bit. 

Then again, maybe GMs won't care if they think the player's union can bargain away pot tests. 

Did not actually test positive, his sample was "diluted", which technically goes as a "fail" because people can intentionally try to get sample diluted when they know they will fail. He explained that he had been sick leading up to combine, had lost weight & drank a lot of fluids to try and get weight up for combine weigh-in. No idea what the truth is. 

"Cub Scout troops are all about integrity and honesty until they're face to face with a bear on a weekend camp out. Having that "suspect" kid on the roster who swears he only owns a 12" tactical Bowie knife to carve pinewood derby cars is nice to have around" - Teddy Rosevelt. 

If Tim Williams is on the Packer's board, it's pretty likely he'll be down so far that he is effectively off their board.  Sounds like he likes weed as much as Randy Gregory, picking him is risking taking a guy who will be suspended for >50% of his rookie contract.

I'm confused. You said Gregory was the 20th best player in the 15 draft and he'd be long gone before the Packers first pick. Now he's your high risk poster boy benchmark. 

Tim Williams might miss half his rookie contract games on substance suspensions. He might make two pro bowls during his rookie contract.  But don't say he might be Randy Gregory when you didn't say Randy Gregory might be Randy Gregory. 

I personally think Ha Ha keeps his head on straight and he's a steal at the end of round two. 

It would have been hard for me to have Gregory ranked as #20 on my personal top prospect board because I haven't done a personal top prospect board in 10+ years.  Whatever you saw was probably an adjustment of the consensus board as a prediction of where I thought players would be picked.  Looking back at some of the data from the 2015 draft Gregory's final rankings were : Nawrocki = 8th, Ourlads = 17th, CBS Sportsline = 15th, NFL.com = 10th, ESPN/Scout INC = 11th, GBN = 11th, Walter Football = 18th.  Combined all together those boards slotted Gregory 11th overall.  I'm guessing a #20 ranking was probably me looking at the board and knocking him down about 10 spots based on reputation.  Obviously I was way wrong on that and should have knocked him down about 100 spots instead.  Since I have actually learned something from that I will not make the same mistake with Williams.  He'll probably get picked in the first 75 picks but if I were Thompson the earliest I would consider him is #134.

1Jameis WinstonQBFlorida State1481501501463215097873
2Leonard WilliamsDTSouthern California1501491481503114994871
3Amari CooperWRAlabama1451471461493014695858
4Dante Fowler Jr.OLBFlorida1491441471472714893855
5Kevin WhiteWRWest Virginia1471451441482914592850
6Marcus MariotaQBOregon1461481491352814790843
7Brandon ScherffOTIowa1421351431422614288818
8Todd GurleyRBGeorgia1441361371372413896812
9Vic BeasleyDEClemson139146145144014484802
10DeVante ParkerWRLouisville1341411391332514385800
11Randy GregoryDENebraska1431341361412214083799
ChilliJon posted:

I'm confused. 

Every idiot knows the difference between a top prospect board and an adjusted consensus board.  Get your **** together CJ.   

It's humbling when you think you're making a good point only to find out you never considered the adjusted consensus board. Lesson learned. 

Anyone opposed to Joe Mixon at 29? Ted had him in for a visit. He's the prototypical TT RB. Big. Fast. Decent pass protection. Great (not good) but GREAT as a receiver out of the backfield. 

If Watt isn't there I think Mixon has to be in the discussion. He makes the offense damned near unstoppable. 

Packers definitely have interest in Mixon.  Ted likes to save those prospect visits to Green Bay for undrafted candidates but he used one of them on Mixon.  Good chance that both Thompson and the area scout like Mixon so they brought him to Green Bay to meet with Murphy and some of the other front office folks so he could be properly vetted by the team's top brass.

The Packer's won't pick him in round one but I wouldn't rule out #61.

He looks damn good on the Pro Football Focus running back table.  #1 breakaway percentage and #1 receiving grade.  #19 blocking grade.  Complete back at 228 pounds.  The media pissed their collective pants when Foreman ran a 4.45 at 234 pounds at his pro day...Mixon ran a 4.43 at 228 pounds at his pro day...not really that big of a difference.

All that said, I'd have him on my board but probably not until #134 and that would be the earliest.  Character stuff matters.  But Thompson could take the viewpoint that Mixon was only 18 when it happened, it wasn't a pre-mediated act and he hasn't screwed up since outside of one incident with a meter-maid. 

2017 RB Class Chart 

Character???  Toughness???  Smertness, not too much.  I've seen the power of the weaker sex and I don't buy into that myth.  You hit a woman you better be fast with one step cut and gone or you're meat at my house.  I just hope that walker she has will block for me.  Mixon eat at buffets?  

Anybody else suspect Ted is going to throw us a change up this draft?

Here's what we know. Mixon settled his civil suit with Mia Molitor yesterday. Mia released a statement that in part said, "I greatly appreciate his apology and I think the feelings he expressed were sincere. We both could have handled things differently. I believe if we had a chance to go back to that moment in time, the situation would not have ended the way it did"

Here's what we don't know. Was that statement part of the settlement?

Mia Molitor really, really went out of her way to escalate the situation that night three years ago. Called him a nigger. Pushed him. Slapped him. Mixon was just too ****ing stupid to just diffuse things and walk away. You can't ever, ever hit a woman no matter how heated things get. Walk away. Nothing bad has ever happened when people go their separate ways to cool off.

I have to think GB wanted to see what Mixon learned about that night. Did he blame her at all? Does he think the whole thing was overblown? I'm sure Ted and team know if he's worth the risk or radioactive today. 

Round One

  1. Cleveland Browns – Myles Garrett/DE/Texas A&M
  2. San Francisco 49ers – Mitchell Trubisky/QB/North Carolina
  3. Chicago Bears – Jonathan Allen/DE/Alabama
  4. Jacksonville Jaguars – Leonard Fournette/RB/Louisiana State
  5. Tennessee Titans (from Los Angeles Rams) – Marshon Lattimore/CB/Ohio State
  6. New York Jets – Deshaun Watson/QB/Clemson
  7. Los Angeles Chargers – Malik Hooker/S/Ohio State
  8. Carolina Panthers – Solomon Thomas/DE/Stanford
  9. Cincinnati Bengals – Derek Barnett/DE/Tennessee
  10. Buffalo Bills – O.J. Howard/TE/Alabama
  11. New Orleans Saints – Gareon Conley/CB/Ohio State
  12. Cleveland Browns (from Philadelphia) – Jamal Adams/S/Louisiana State
  13. Arizona Cardinals – John Ross/WR/Washington
  14. Philadelphia Eagles (from Minnesota) – Christian McCaffrey/RB/Stanford
  15. Indianapolis Colts – Haason Reddick/ILB/Temple
  16. Baltimore Ravens – Mike Williams/WR/Clemson
  17. Washington Redskins – TreDavious White/CB/Louisiana State
  18. Tennessee Titans – Corey Davis/WR/Western Michigan
  19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Dalvin Cook/RB/Florida State
  20. Denver Broncos – Ryan Ramczyk/OT/Wisconsin
  21. Detroit Lions – Reuben Foster/ILB/Alabama
  22. Miami Dolphins – Jarrad Davis/OLB/Florida
  23. New York Giants – Cam Robinson/OT/Alabama
  24. Oakland Raiders – Zach Cunningham/ILB/Vanderbilt
  25. Houston Texans – Patrick Mahomes/QB/Texas Tech
  26. Seattle Seahawks – Garett Bolles/OT/Utah
  27. Kansas City Chiefs – Takkarist McKinley/OLB/UCLA
  28. Dallas Cowboys – Charles Harris/DE/Missouri
  29. Green Bay - ? (make your pick)

Character concerns aside, Mixon is a good back. Probably very good, but not great. In any case, I can't see him being the BPA at #29.
I'd be willing to wait until at least the 3rd round, if he's available then. I'd be fine with Kamara if he's not.

Mia Molitor really, really went out of her way to escalate the situation that night three years ago. Called him a nigger. Pushed him. Slapped him.

 

I seen all that hundreds of times.  Later when she grabs my ears and beats my head against the headboard.........

RatPack posted:

Mia Molitor really, really went out of her way to escalate the situation that night three years ago. Called him a nigger. Pushed him. Slapped him.

 

I seen all that hundreds of times.  Later when she grabs my ears and beats my head against the headboard.........

Lolololol

ChilliJon posted:

Here's what we know. Mixon settled his civil suit with Mia Molitor yesterday. Mia released a statement that in part said, "I greatly appreciate his apology and I think the feelings he expressed were sincere. We both could have handled things differently. I believe if we had a chance to go back to that moment in time, the situation would not have ended the way it did"

Here's what we don't know. Was that statement part of the settlement?

Mia Molitor really, really went out of her way to escalate the situation that night three years ago. Called him a nigger. Pushed him. Slapped him. Mixon was just too ****ing stupid to just diffuse things and walk away. You can't ever, ever hit a woman no matter how heated things get. Walk away. Nothing bad has ever happened when people go their separate ways to cool off.

I have to think GB wanted to see what Mixon learned about that night. Did he blame her at all? Does he think the whole thing was overblown? I'm sure Ted and team know if he's worth the risk or radioactive today. 

Anyone calls me a nigger imma knock em out, because I'm too damned stupid to counter with words.

 

Two words for Ted. No Mixon!

And if they spit on you and slap you in the face? It's kind of bull**** that Mixon has to walk away in the face of someone ratcheting up the instigation level like that. But that's what has to happen. It just does. But it's still bull****. 

When I was in the seventh grade the middle school and high school had to take public transportation home because the school district (like most in CA) didn't have the money for school buses. So one day two black high school girls sat in the row in front of me. Someone behind me said "aren't you supposed to sit in back?". One of the girls got up and looked right at me and asked what I said. I told her I didn't say a word. She clocked me right in the eye and said "if I hear another word out of you I'm going to dot your other eye mother ****er"

At that exact moment. I wanted to beat the ever loving **** out of her. You punch me without finding out what happened? I wanted 100% of her. But I couldn't. I knew my dad would have done worse to me if I put one hand on a girl. So I just sat quietly for the longest 20 minute bus ride of my life. But I swear I knew if she got up to get off the bus and said one more word to me or tried throwing one more punch things would have turned ugly. 

Per PJ's running back chart a few posts above. Can you imagine IF TT selects Kareem Hunt? As in K. Hunt. Fans could have a new chant for him if he does good like the Kuuuuuhn chant when he was here, K.Huuuuuuunt. Doubt it happens, but you never know. 

DurangoDoug posted:

Per PJ's running back chart a few posts above. Can you imagine IF TT selects Kareem Hunt? As in K. Hunt. Fans could have a new chant for him if he does good like the Kuuuuuhn chant when he was here, K.Huuuuuuunt. Doubt it happens, but you never know. 

Any relation to Mike?

Ted might figure Green Bay would be a wonderful environment for Mixon.  Women born and raised in Wisconsin are intelligent enough to know that getting in the face of, pushing and slapping a black man just isn't an acceptable thing to do (and just not a smart thing to do either).  Apparently the white girls down south still have an 1830's mindset and think they can do just about anything they want to a black man and can get away with it.

PackerJoe posted:

Ted might figure Green Bay would be a wonderful environment for Mixon.  Women born and raised in Wisconsin are intelligent enough to know that getting in the face of, pushing and slapping a black man just isn't an acceptable thing to do (and just not a smart thing to do either).  Apparently the white girls down south still have an 1830's mindset and think they can do just about anything they want to a black man and can get away with it.

This isn't a south thing. At all. I think it's closer to ((alcohol - self control)Norman entitlement)

That and Barry Switzers influence on that town is alive and well.  Article from December 2015. 

PackerJoe posted:

Ted might figure Green Bay would be a wonderful environment for Mixon.  Women born and raised in Wisconsin are intelligent enough to know that getting in the face of, pushing and slapping a black man just isn't an acceptable thing to do (and just not a smart thing to do either).  Apparently the white girls down south still have an 1830's mindset and think they can do just about anything they want to a black man and can get away with it.

Hmmm, I know of quite a few  highly intelligent women (and men) in Wisconsin who would loudly object to poor little Joe's unapologetic homophobic slurs of their friends.

And while you are correct, Wisconsin is not the deep south. I think excusing Joe's behavior based on geography would go over with Wisconsinites about as well as it did when his fellow OU alum AP tried to justify his criminal child abuse on his down south upbringing.

Oh, and apparently poor Joe also has a problem with parking attendants who don't understand he is above the law -- at least in his mind.

http://kfor.com/2016/11/04/doc...d-parking-attendant/

If the Packers don't trade down, I see Marlon Humphrey as our pick at 29. I do not think TT will pick an OL anywhere near the top of the draft. I think TT and MM feel good about Kyle Murphy, and the others on the roster filling in the RG spot, right now. I see RB as a more pressing need than any OL spot. So, CB will be first off the board and then DE/OLB then RB for the first three picks, if TT doesn't trade down, IMO.

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I for one have given up trying to predict what TT will do in the draft.  This year to me would be a prime example of a year when you should trade down and stockpile some draft picks to use on defense.  But that being said this would be the year he takes a WR or OL by trading up. 

Value value value....it matters what's there on the board.  

In 2009, they had Clay rated in the top 10. That's why TT gave up 3 picks for #26 to get him. The value was there.

1) Get value for your selection

2) Don't draft a bust

See?? The draft is simple. 

I put a lot of stock in college opposing coaches opinions since they watch a lot of video in preparing to play vs. these guys. TT has drafted 14 defensive players in rounds 1 & 2. Of those 14 picks, 9 of them were chosen First or Second team All-conference. They were: Rollins, Randall, Clark, CM, Raji, Clinton-Dix, Perry, Hawk, & Collins. The 5 who not chosen either 1st or 2nd team were: Harrell, Neal, Jones, Worthy, & Lee. In the end, the best predictor of how a player will play in the pros, is how he played in college. 

Well, every GM just moved the majority of their defensive prospects up a slot. DT Caleb Brantley out of Florida knocked a woman unconscious and knocked out one of her teeth. This apparently took place a week ago so draft boards have most likely already been shuffled. Caleb was pretty much a round 2  lock. Was...

One year Ted is going to draft an entire crew of thugs and that will be the year we win it all and all you saints are going to eat up up like white women from Wisconsin.  

Image result for longest yard original movie cast

As long as the women up there treat these black men the right way it shouldn't be an issue. As soon as these blacks get away from the pre-civil war attitude of white women down here, they're fine. It's like the 1860's never happened down here... 

Inside the walls of Packers Shoes on Teaneck Road, there is too much excitement about Jabrill Peppers’ arrival for thoughts to be sidetracked by what might happen next week, about where Peppers will get drafted or what position he’ll play in the NFL.

Is there any question now? 

Linky

It was interesting listening to Bill Polian this morning reinforcing once again how little decision making goes on inside the draft room. All player information is in, initial calls have been made to potential trading partners, value parameters are set, guys are slotted in tiers, prioritized, contingencies plotted and snacks are served. 

I'd be surprised if the Green Bay Front Office hasn't had initial contact with a team by this point. 

Yeah I really don't think there are too many surprises on draft day. Occasionally you will get a player that falls unexpectedly, but in general I think they pretty much know how things will go and plan for players they feel will be there.

Yeah I really don't think there are too many surprises on draft day. Occasionally you will get a player that falls unexpectedly, but in general I think they pretty much know how things will go and plan for players they feel will be there.

Diluted sample? Was his pee not what they wanted or expected? Too yellow, too clear? Did they have a pee baseline from Peppers to know this was diluted and not his normal levels?

AKA, he drank a couple gallons of water the day of the test so that he would piss nearly straight water.    I successful got hired at **** jobs as a teenager using this practice.     When I started applying for real jobs, that take hair samples, they sell shampoo's that strip the THC from your hair.   

Where there is a stoner with a strong will, there is a way.

ChilliJon posted:

WR that would be a solid day 3 addition. Robert Davis from Georgia St. Went for 8-93 yards and a TD against Bucky last September. 

That's a real good call.  He's not getting talked about at all, but I don't think he should make it through round five.  Ourlads does have him in the top 150 (barely).  That seems to be quite a bit higher than anybody else. 

ChilliJon posted:

Surprisingly enough, dropping on the big-time consensus board.  Currently sits at #97.  Packer's third round pick is #93.  So there is a realistic chance he makes it there, although I still would figure he'll be off the board by that time. 

Boris posted:

Drink Cranberry juice.

Golden Seal works too.

This "diluted sample" is horse$hit too

Too stoned to figure out how to do the 3-cone drill.  Big Ted does not approve.  The Packers will not be drafting him.

Carr is a real good player.  Put a beatdown on the Big 10 this season.  Only thing that makes me think the Packer's won't draft him is the 40-time (4.61).  For the longest time it seemed like the 40-time meant nothing to Thompson but last year it was pretty obvious that the Packers were looking for fast guys at the offensive skill positions and the defensive backfield.  I'm guessing that will continue on defense in this draft after that performance against the Falcons, but not so sure it will continue at WR and RB. 

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