CJ Mosley, Dant'a Hightower, Ha Ha, Julio Jones, Amari Cooper. Landon Collins. Derrick Henry. Seem to be doing ok.
I don't see it as a Saban thing. Kids respond well or don't respond well to the NFL and responsibility every year. Some can handle it. Some can't. It's not like Nick has a glaring history of flameouts at the next level.
Grave Digger posted:FLPACKER posted:If true, Packers should have never left him "on his own", being that he is an employee, it would be reasonable to assume that they could have more control of him than a college would.
Disagree. They have the rigid structure of college (Class schedule, workouts, practice, diet, etc.) to keep them in line. College players are required to meet these expectations to keep their scholarship and continue their path to the NFL. Once they have millions and are in the NFL, not everything is required. You're given an incentive to attend workouts (workout bonuses), follow meal plans, etc. Ultimately these guys are adults though and do their own thing when they aren't in the building. Their contract, and probably the players union, doesn't allow for teams to do anything but leave them on their own. Once these guys aren't at a required event, they're on their own to take care of their own bodies.
Yes & even with all that structure Lacy gained 30 pounds while at Bama. You are correct though. Packers are in a tough spot with Lacy. Short of hiring someone to live with him & monitor what he eats, the only other things they can do are deny him $ incentives, and bench him......of course that is hard to do when even at 30-40 pounds overweight, he is still productive.
Context? "Lacy gained 30 pounds while at Bama"
Also, it was more like 20 lbs... go figure, a kid going from a HS program to a major college program beefed up!
packerboi posted:Was listening to Leroy Butler on his take on the DB's the Packers have. He hopes the Packers are done with the converted basketball players and prospects who haven't played CB more then a year. He believes GB needs to find a pure CB and not a kid they are going to try to convert from another sport or even from safety.
Its really hard to find and draft those guys ! Its great in theory, just difficult to put into practice from the bottom of the draft. Here's a link to all the top, pure CBs that weren't basketball players - you can see the list is littered with top picks that didn't work out despite following Leroy's sage advice.
And when the poop hits the fan, all of the cross- training comes into play. Safeties who can cover and CBs who can tackle and Tackles who can play guard. Drives some fans nuts, but that's the modern NFL. If you don't get a shot at the plug and play players, then you have to find a gem and coach them up.
Would it be impolite to remind Leroy that the starting CB ACE in the 2010 Super Bowl was Sam Shields ..... a converted WR ?
Lacy may have gained 20 to 30 from high school, but it wasn't a fat 20 or 30. He gained muscle...
He has to want to get back into shape. From a pure production standpoint he's probably worth 5 to 6 million per year with 40% of it guaranteed, but when you factor in all the baggage he will get a short term deal worth 4 to 5 million per year with 30% of it guaranteed. You're talking probably a 2 million swing in guaranteed money with a hit in average salary. That's an expensive junk food habit!
Sad part is that he appeared to drop weight when working out (and living?) with Horton during the past off-season, however once he got back on his own he appeared to put the weight right back on, and continues to put it on as the season progresses. I wonder what kind of professional services the Packers have offered along the lines of addiction.
Super Bowl isn't for another 5 days and this already feels like a long painful off season. Not good.
mrtundra posted:PackFoo posted:Christian McCaffrey declares for the draft. Not sure where you line him up, but the dude is a playmaker...and the fans need another great white hope to believe in now that Abby is gone.
A columnist on Bleacher Report says we get McCaffrey in the 1st round. I've also seen others say we get OT Forrest Lamp of Western Kentucky, S Jabril Peppers of Michigan, CB Gareon Conley of Ohio State, in the 1st round. The writer who said we get Conley also said we get TE Evan Engram of Ole Miss in the 2nd. Another TE one guy picked for us in the 2nd is Jordan Leggett of Clemson. Of all these early predictions the one I don't like is Peppers. I can live with the rest although I seriously doubt TT will pick a RB in the 1st. Mock drafts are fun to read but rarely have they correctly guessed GBs picks. After everyone had us picking an ILB, like Reggie Ragland, TT picks Randall and then Rollins.
I really would not want McCaffrey, Peppers or Conley. I don't think McCaffrey will be the type of back in the NFL that the Packers need IMHO and that is someone they can count on to carry the load. I would think of McCaffrey as maybe a hybrid slot receiver or a guy out of the backfield occasionally. But that being said it would not surprise me one bit to see TT take him.
Am I the only one who isn't sold on Peppers? He seems like maybe safety is his natural position since he is really too small to play much LB in the NFL and seems to be ok at coverage but from what I saw I don't see a game changer at CB.
As for Conley, I live close to Columbus and get stuck watching O$U games and I think he is ok but not that great. I see a guy who can be beaten and has been this season.
ChilliJon posted:Super Bowl isn't for another 5 days and this already feels like a long painful off season. Not good.
The Super Bowl should be the last instance of salt in the wound of the failed 2016 Packers season.
The consensus seems to be that Peppers is not a good fit for the NFL or GB.
So he's definitely going to be the pick in R1.
And injured by May Day
Micah is toast.
Micah's a little too old to play in the NFL.
Too bad he was not on staff when the Gunslinger was in town
Hungry5 posted:ChilliJon posted:Super Bowl isn't for another 5 days and this already feels like a long painful off season. Not good.
The Super Bowl should be the last instance of salt in the wound of the failed 2016 Packers season.
Failed? Not in my book.
FinnLander posted:Failed? Not in my book.
mine either, that was a blast of a season.
I picked them to lose the last 9 games. I was one a eight. That 8 game streak was a blast.
The season was a blast, but they failed to reach their goal.
Every year only one of 32 teams reaches its goal. 
I'm really intrigued by Washington Safety Budda Baker. He and Malik Hooker are the first players I've seen in the last 5 or 6 years that really remind me of Nick Collins, which is what I believe the defense is lacking most. Hooker obviously isn't an option, he's a top 10 pick, but Baker could easily be had at the end of round 1. Right now he's grading out as a round 2/round 3 player, but I think he's going to rise throughout this process. To me he's everything you want in a FS...fast/quick, CB level coverage skill, reads the QB well, tracks the ball well, very aggressive, good effort in run support, etc.
The biggest knock on Baker is his size being 5'10" and about 195 lbs., which is small for a Safety, but to me that is something that can be remedied. Nick Collins played his whole career at 5'11"/205 lbs., I don't see a reason why Baker couldn't add some muscle to get to that size.
He's a guy worth keeping an eye on IMO.
Put 'im on the rack! That'll stretch 'im!
Do you think they would draft him even with having 3 safety's they seem to be happy with (Ha Ha, Burnett, & Brice) ?
Baker is where a Honey Badger comparison actually applies.
And with Gunter possibly being a fourth safety?
This kid just signed his letter of intent with Illinois State. Then twitter melted to the ground....
Kobe Buffalomeat at left tackle. He wins best football name ever. We can close the voting booths now.
chickenboy posted:To clarify, I wasn't referring to the position he plays, only to the comments that make it appear that he could fall. HB fell to the third round and has performed as first round talent.
If Peppers runs that time he won't make it out of the top 10. If he's that fast and given that he seems to have a natural ability to make plays, I'd trade up for him. Even without the measurables the guy just makes plays - like Charles Woodson, Chris Borland types in college. With the measurables, there is no way he makes it to the Packers position in the draft.
YATittle posted:And with Gunter possibly being a fourth safety?
According to local sources they're ALL safeties.
Grave Digger posted:The biggest knock on Baker is his size being 5'10" and about 195 lbs., which is small for a Safety, but to me that is something that can be remedied. Nick Collins played his whole career at 5'11"/205 lbs., I don't see a reason why Baker couldn't add some muscle to get to that size.
He's a guy worth keeping an eye on IMO.
Earl Thomas size.
FLPACKER posted:Do you think they would draft him even with having 3 safety's they seem to be happy with (Ha Ha, Burnett, & Brice) ?
I think it's possible, depth isn't great and we will see some changes in the coming seasons. Hyde is a UFA this year, so our we may or may not have him as an option going forward. Burnett will be a UFA after this season and will be 29, so there may be some need to look for a long term option. They will likely exercise the 5th year option for Dix, which will keep him until the 2019 offseason, so we will have him for a couple more years. I'm not sold on Brice as a legit option, he wasn't that good IMO. He was good at making big hits, but I didn't see anything that would make me want to bank on him being the future. He's also more of a SS than a FS. Baker makes sense in the long term as an option to pair with Dix for the future.
And if we do that maybe move Burnett to LB. Hybrid version.
Grave Digger posted:Adoree Jackson might have the most upside of any player in the draft. He has the athletic upside to be a lock down #1 CB, if he's there at 29 then I would be surprised if TT passes.
I like Jackson too, mainly because he played WR as well as CB (and was good at both). He's also a great kick/punt returner, and even lined up in the backfield several times and blocked a few kicks on ST. He's also incredibly fast. Kid is just a football player.
I'd take him over Peppers in a heartbeat. Peppers has the swagger and might have a faster 40 time but he doesn't look like it on the field compared to Jackson. Jackson has that Usain Bolt thing where he looks like he's running slow but he out runs everyone by miles. Peppers, while quick, always seemed to get caught up in traffic.
I just think Jackson has had better overall results, even if he's not as flashy doing it.
I think Jackson is a raw talent that could be molded in to an elite player once he spends 100% of his time at 1 position. College players get a limited amount of practice time as it is, but to spend time at CB with a little bit of time at WR, KR, PR, etc. has probably hindered his development at CB some. Same goes for Peppers. He's such swiss army knife of a player that it doesn't seem like UMich really let him grow at a position. Peppers is overrated by the media and fans, but he's still a really good player and, like Jackson, has the physical tools to develop into a good pro. I don't think teams will be blinded by the hype of Peppers, I think he will go where he probably should go.
Looking forward to seeing all of these guys at the combine.
The most encouraging thing I noticed about Jackson is his make up speed and his ability to control his body at top speed. You will see a receiver beat him on the route but by time the ball gets there Jackson has put himself back into position and looking for the ball. Probably an indicator of him needing to develop his shadowing skills some more but with that kind of athleticism he shouldn't have a problem. Also a big plus to have a CB that can actually catch.
I think we are going to have to go with cornerback first. I think Spriggs was TT's acknowledgement that we will need a serious replacement guy in the next year or so. Since Lang's injury was ankle and not a blown knee, I think he has some time left. I would almost rather see the Packers find some veteran CB (I know it won't happen, but I can dream) because I think this collection of really young guys needs a veteran leader.
I really think OLB is something we will have to address. Perry looked improved, Matthews is around, Peppers is gone. Just not sold on Fackrell or these other guys as serious rotational players. ILB is something I have been begging for for years. Ryan and Martinez are solid and legit NFL players, but neither is special.
Listened to a JJ Watt interview on the drive to work this am. He said TJ is the best pure athlete of the Watt boys and that he's a better football player at this stage of his career than JJ felt he was when he left WI. Might be nothing more than JJ blowing smoke to move his brother up in the draft. It was interesting to listen to JJ talk about the intensity and energy TJ has had as long he can remember.
I know TT generally re-signs his draft choices, even if maybe he shouldn't (*cough* AJ Hawk *cough*) but I'm not sold on Perry being back and, to be honest, I wouldn't be all that disappointed of only Matthews and Fackrell were back at the position next year and they re-stock the position. If the pass rush had been able to step up. the issues in the secondary wouldn't have been so glaring. Even good corners can only cover so long and the lack of pass rushing talent was extremely evident in the playoffs especially.
This probably means drafting one early, drafting one middle-ish, signing a rotational guy and a flier, say John Simon and Dion Jordan, and a UDFA or two. A team really needs three consistent pass rushers and another couple of decent ones.
Also draft a good, fast corner prospect early and keep taking late and UDFA shots with raw guys who can run.
That probably means re-signing Lang, Tretter, Cook and Lacy, but I don't think too many would argue keeping those guys anyway.
I think Cook and Lacy are very good bets to be re-signed. Lang is a MM guy and that wouldn't surprise me either however Scott Wells, Marco Rivera, and Mike Wahle would beg to differ.
I don't see Tretter being re-signed unless he just gets no offers in FA which I don't see either. When he's healthy, he's a really good C and can be used at LT in a pinch as well. There are plenty of teams with crap at the Center position. Tretter would be a fine starter if he can shake the injury bug.
Tretter deserves a shot to start elsewhere.
I don''t understand those who do not want to re-sign Perry. He outplayed CM this past year & played with a cast on his hand for the last part of the season.
FLPACKER posted:I don''t understand those who do not want to re-sign Perry. He outplayed CM this past year & played with a cast on his hand for the last part of the season.
$8 million minimum
I don't get it either. He was their best OLB. We already needed at least 1 more good edge rusher - which is hard to find. You lose him and you have to find TWO good edge rushers in 1 offseason. That math don't work.
"If Peppers runs that time he won't make it out of the top 10. If he's that fast and given that he seems to have a natural ability to make plays,"
Where does this come from? 1, pick, 1 FF and 4 sacks last year. With the way he was used, I would hope to see more production. There are numerous guys with better stats that were forced to line up in the same spot and play within the scheme.
In 2015 he had 0 picks 0 sacks. What plays do you speak of exactly?
ESPN Hype
Stats schmats, he can play. Maybe not a high first but he will be a player.
I see Taylor Mays (who I thought would be a good player)
Why don't we just keep Tretter? He's a better Center than Linsley, who looked very rusty this year I thought. I don't see Linsley as a Scott Wells, more of a Grey Reugamer. Tretter won't be expensive to keep considering he's basically only played in 2 full seasons worth of games and only started 10.
I agree, Tretter is more athletic & gets to the second level in the run game. Has had some difficulty with heavy NTs . Linsey's strength has been his ability to anchor, but got rag-dolled on bull rush by Hegeman on the AR sack in championship game & also appeared to fail to pick up delayed blitz by LBer.
BrainDed posted:"If Peppers runs that time he won't make it out of the top 10. If he's that fast and given that he seems to have a natural ability to make plays,"
Where does this come from? 1, pick, 1 FF and 4 sacks last year. With the way he was used, I would hope to see more production. There are numerous guys with better stats that were forced to line up in the same spot and play within the scheme.
In 2015 he had 0 picks 0 sacks. What plays do you speak of exactly?
Agree. I really worry about players with the physical tools but no real production to show for it. Peppers also only had 1 pass defended last year as well.
Compare to Jackson with 4 INT and 15 pass defended. Jackson had more tackles last year too.
Like I said, Peppers really looks the part, big, physical and has that swagger, but the stats don't really line up.
J-Barn posted:I think we are going to have to go with cornerback first.
I've mentioned it before, but is going into next season with our top 4 CBs being under the age of 25 a good idea? If we draft a CB, he'll still need to be developed. We're drafting #29, which is hardly the slot you draft a day one starter at cornerback. And Randall, Rollins and Gunter also need heavy development. I still think those three are worth developing so IMO, we have enough young, inconsistent talent in the secondary. What they need is a solid, consistent veteran that won't have those ups and downs (or in the case of 2016, downs and further downs). That's why I think they should spend and sign AJ Bouye, Trumaine Johnson or Stephon Gilmore. I just don't know if our secondary problems will be solved in 2017 by adding another young guy to the pool.
If a CB drops and is the best player available, by all means draft him. But I hope they don't need to target one in the first round after they sign one in free agency.
Seems to me his production in those categories is low because he played in such a variety of positions. Some CB, some SS, a lot of LB, some edge rusher. He had 66 tackles, 13 TFL, 3 sacks, 1 INT, 1 PD. Compare it to highly rated OLB prospect Takarisf McKinley: 61 Tackles, 18 TFL, 10 sacks, 0 INT, 6 PD. What that tells me is that Peppers was miscast at OLB. He was never going to produce legit sack numbers, but it does appear he can attack the ball and make plays behind the LOS. Maybe he will produce more when he's at the position he belongs at? Nickel Back is possible with his athleticism, but now I'm thinking SS is more likely. He won't be expected to snag a lot of INTs, but will support the run (Chancellor averages 80 tackles/year and very few INTs). He's not a polished player, but he's a damn fine athlete and that certainly counts for something.
DH13 posted:The most encouraging thing I noticed about Jackson is his make up speed and his ability to control his body at top speed. You will see a receiver beat him on the route but by time the ball gets there Jackson has put himself back into position and looking for the ball. Probably an indicator of him needing to develop his shadowing skills some more but with that kind of athleticism he shouldn't have a problem. Also a big plus to have a CB that can actually catch.
Guys like Jackson and Peppers are supposed to have speed. That alone is a step up. Shields was raw when drafted but had that make up speed. He is gone. We have a need for speed at that position.
vitaflo posted:BrainDed posted:"If Peppers runs that time he won't make it out of the top 10. If he's that fast and given that he seems to have a natural ability to make plays,"
Where does this come from? 1, pick, 1 FF and 4 sacks last year. With the way he was used, I would hope to see more production. There are numerous guys with better stats that were forced to line up in the same spot and play within the scheme.
In 2015 he had 0 picks 0 sacks. What plays do you speak of exactly?
Agree. I really worry about players with the physical tools but no real production to show for it. Peppers also only had 1 pass defended last year as well.
Compare to Jackson with 4 INT and 15 pass defended. Jackson had more tackles last year too.
Like I said, Peppers really looks the part, big, physical and has that swagger, but the stats don't really line up.
He also had 13 tackles for a loss this year and had 10 passes defended the year before. There was a reason he was Big Ten DPOY this year. A lot of teams game planned to avoid him.
I'm not a UM fan, but I end up seeing a lot of their games. This guy is good. I'd be willing to bet, barring injury, that he'll be one of the 2-3 best players out of this draft.
YATittle posted:Tretter deserves a shot to start elsewhere.
I'd argue Tretter deserves the chance to start in Green Bay. I like his game better than Linsley's.
Grave Digger posted:Seems to me his production in those categories is low because he played in such a variety of positions. Some CB, some SS, a lot of LB, some edge rusher. He had 66 tackles, 13 TFL, 3 sacks, 1 INT, 1 PD. Compare it to highly rated OLB prospect Takarisf McKinley: 61 Tackles, 18 TFL, 10 sacks, 0 INT, 6 PD. What that tells me is that Peppers was miscast at OLB. He was never going to produce legit sack numbers, but it does appear he can attack the ball and make plays behind the LOS. Maybe he will produce more when he's at the position he belongs at? Nickel Back is possible with his athleticism, but now I'm thinking SS is more likely. He won't be expected to snag a lot of INTs, but will support the run (Chancellor averages 80 tackles/year and very few INTs). He's not a polished player, but he's a damn fine athlete and that certainly counts for something.
Chancellor 4.69 6'3" 232 pounds
Earl Thomas 4.43 5'10" 202
Jabrill Peppers 6'1" 207 (a rumored 4.34 in the 40).
Even if he runs a 4.40, he's much more Earl Thomas than Chancellor.
The other thing that might have depressed his stats is that Harbaugh had him playing RB (3 TDs on 27 carries for 167 yards), KR, PR, and on defense.
FLPACKER posted:I don''t understand those who do not want to re-sign Perry. He outplayed CM this past year & played with a cast on his hand for the last part of the season.
The guy at a high-dollar position finally has a decent year in his SECOND contract year, still isn't healthy, and regression to the mean is most likely scenario. I doubt his demands are "reasonable" when starting edge guys get paid.
I don't see how a broken thumb would equal "still isn't healthy" & predict lower output when he is able to play without a cast. It isn't like a lower body injury.
We just haven't seen that side of Peppers to suggest he could be a ball hawking FS. Perhaps TJ Ward is a more apt comparison as a SS. The point wasn't to compare him to Chancellor though, the point was that playing him SS is the most like destination based on what we've seen from him so far. He's really only piled up Tackles with few INTs or PD's, similar to the stats Chancellor has as a SS.
Herschel posted:FLPACKER posted:I don''t understand those who do not want to re-sign Perry. He outplayed CM this past year & played with a cast on his hand for the last part of the season.
The guy at a high-dollar position finally has a decent year in his SECOND contract year, still isn't healthy, and regression to the mean is most likely scenario. I doubt his demands are "reasonable" when starting edge guys get paid.
We already have a tough task of finding another good/very good edge rusher to add to the 2016 roster. Lose Perry and you need to find 2 in one offseason for the 2017 roster. And we probably lose Peppers.
And what mean exactly are you referring to? That he will continue missing games with injuries? His stats while he wasn't playing? His stats when he was playing healthy are pretty damn good.
He's never put up more than 4 sacks in a season otherwise, nor caused many turnovers other ways, nor been a big tackler, nor been particularly durable, nor particularly explosive. This year has been an aberration, quite likely a contract year surge that he didn't even get up for the first time around last season. He's more likely to regress to the mean of 3-5 sacks, maybe a forced fumbled and a few tackles than continue at this pace or better. That's what he's worth.
The argument for Perry is that he was a 4-3 DE at USC being coached by Moss and McCurley in Green Bay. Maybe things at OLB finally clicked for him. His passes defended went way up in 16. I don't think will overpay but I think they will try very hard to keep him in GB.
Maybe, but five years to hit your stride is pretty long for a LB. My guess is that some team will pay him at around this year's production rather than what's most likely his normal production.
And what would that number be that a team will pay him for this years production?
While not a perfect comparison, he may get paid like an Everson Griffen who is getting $8.5 mil average on a deal he signed a few years ago so that would be inflated for today's contract value.
There is currently over $ 1 billion in unspent cap available in the NFL
I think Nick gets eleventy million of that stuffed into his clubbed fist
If Aaron Rodgers hit free agency this year what contract is someone giving him? Is $40 million per out of the question? Is there another player in the NFL that could top what he'd be offered?
23% of your cap space feel pretty high, but not ludicrous per se. The 30M and 18% feels pretty legit. Say you start at 30 and keep him at ~18-19% of your cap space over time and suddenly a 4 year, 130M feels pretty rational (relatively speaking), as the cap goes up each and every year. Honestly, a 4/150 or 5/175 type deal does not seem all that outlandish for him.
And, no one would command a bigger contract. I mean, QBs will always get crazy numbers, and maaaaaybeeeee someone throws more at Cam because he's only 27, but no.
Elway would do it. John Lynch might but he's a pretty sage GM.
Your stats prior to this year are based on seasons where Perry missed games due to injury. You are basically saying he will keep missing games due to injury.
He's a Packer. Of course he's going to miss games due to injury.
Perry played In as many games in 2015 (14) as he did this year, and played in 15 in 2014
People that don't want Perry but clamor for FA spending are the perfect illustration of what's wrong with the mindset. Perry is about as good a player as you can hope for in FA. Flawed but still about to be overpaid.
If all you saw were his stats and age but hadn't watched every snap of his career, you'd be drooling.
How can we not resign Perry? He played well this year. I think Peppers will be gone and if we don't resign Perry what will TT do, then? He'll have to draft 2 edge rushers/OLBs, or go to FA and get at least one veteran player there, unless he feels Fackrell is up to the task. There is talk that GB is looking at Chandler Jones, Cardinal's OLB in FA. Will TT do that and resign Perry?
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IL_Pack_Fan posted:People that don't want Perry but clamor for FA spending are the perfect illustration of what's wrong with the mindset. Perry is about as good a player as you can hope for in FA. Flawed but still about to be overpaid.
If all you saw were his stats and age but hadn't watched every snap of his career, you'd be drooling.
The issue being Perry will be looking for front-line starter money but hasn't shown any consistency. That's a tough call to spend big money on. If he comes back at a reasonable price, so be it, but he put up one-year numbers where someone might take the plunge on him.
not worth big $, if he can get it, see you bud. if its reasonable, then fine, I am with Herschel, the #'s don't lie. he's hardly a dependable playmaker, so no I would not pay him like one.
FWIW, from Packersnotes.com:
Almost two years ago to the day, I was told that Bryan Bulaga and Randall Cobb would definitely re-sign with the Packers. My source was sure Thompson wanted to keep the two players, and more importantly, he was equally sure the two players wanted to be kept. Five weeks before the start of free agency, and that very same source has absolutely no idea what to expect when it comes to outside linebacker Nick Perry.
That’s because unlike Bulaga and Cobb, the 26-year-old former No.1 pick from USC has never shown any outwards signs of really wanting to stay. Sure he’d re-sign if the price is right, but would he take a little less to remain with the Packers? And if not, would Thompson be willing to pay top dollar to keep a player who, while extremely good in 2016, had been extremely ordinary and extremely injury prone the previous four seasons?
Thompson typically puts a price tag on a player and then refuses to go above that number in negotiations. We have no idea what number he’s put on Perry, and we also have no idea what number other teams will put on Perry. Based solely on his age and his play in 2016, he should probably be looking at $10 million per. But that’s unlikely due to his long injury history – which he couldn’t even escape during what turned out to be a career year. Perry missed 2 games in December after breaking fingers on his left hand.
It’s certainly conceivable that some team could offer Perry in the neighborhood of $9M per year. Would Thompson go that high? Considering the lack of talent at the position, could he afford not to go that high? I simply don’t know the answers to those questions. Fortunately, we won’t have to wait too much longer to find out.
He wants to be a 4-3 end. Perry just isn't a fit. Nice numbers this year but OLB needs a bit of an overhaul.
I guess it's all a matter of what's out there. That's a lot of draft picks otherwise.
It might indeed be telling that Perry really hasn't said much if anything it seems that he's hoping to stay a Packer. Contrast that to TJ Lang and Lacy who have said multiple times they hope to stay.
From NJ.Com (who are wondering whether the Jets will seek Perry):
Perry and the Giants' Jason Pierre-Paul are the best pass rushers in a weak free agent class. Perry, unlike Pierre-Paul, fits in a 3-4 scheme. An agent familiar with defensive contracts, but not tied to Perry, estimated a team could give the linebacker anywhere from $12 to $14 million a year.
I'd like to believe no one would actually give Perry $12 million per. Just takes one GM....
Crazy money for what Perry has done and his injury history.
ChilliJon posted:I'd like to believe no one would actually give Perry $12 million per. Just takes one GM....
San Francisco has the second-most projected salary-cap space in 2017 at $80.8 million, according to OverTheCap.com.
It just takes one.....
People are going to be very surprised by the contracts that get signed this summer
"An agent familiar with defensive contracts" = Perry's agent. "Some people Perry is worth 12 million, many people say that, I've heard that..." is another way to say that that's more in tune with this climate.
Except there's also no denying it's a weak FA class for pass rushers. And Perry hit the magic 10 or more for sacks. Wouldn't surprise me to see a 26 year old 10+ sack pass rusher get the early numbers being thrown out there.
Do I think he's worth 12-14mil with his injury history? No. But a lot of teams with decent cap room and like others said, all it takes is one.
ChilliJon posted:I'd like to believe no one would actually give Perry $12 million per. Just takes one GM....
John Lynch? Jerry Jones?
Boris posted:San Francisco has the second-most projected salary-cap space in 2017 at $80.8 million, according to OverTheCap.com.
It just takes one.....
Just for kicks, checked where the Pack falls and was surprised to see New England at the 5th most with $67M compared to the Pack at 19th most with $31M. That's good GM work.
I'd be shocked if the Packers brought back James Starks and Sam Shields. Cutting them both would bring another 12 million to 2017.
Packdog posted:Boris posted:San Francisco has the second-most projected salary-cap space in 2017 at $80.8 million, according to OverTheCap.com.
It just takes one.....
Just for kicks, checked where the Pack falls and was surprised to see New England at the 5th most with $67M compared to the Pack at 19th most with $31M. That's good GM work.
New England also has 9/22 starters up for new contracts. If they intend to re-sign guys like Marty Bennett, LeGarrett Blount, Alan Branch, etc. I would say that 67 mil will be eaten up quickly. Belichick will continue to make shrewd moves though preferring to take on low risk, high reward projects that he is so good at finding. Guys like Bennett and Blount will probably go cash in elsewhere, while older vets like Branch will probably take less to stay.
I'm not upset that TT doesn't pursue free agents, I think that can too often be a trap. I wish he followed Belichick's model though and pursued some low risk vet free agents who may have enough gas in the tank to give you 20 games. Peppers was not that kind of move, we paid Peppers a lot and got some production in return, but ultimately I don't think we got what we paid for with him. Christine Michael was a good move IMO, we got basically nothing from him, but we didn't pay anything for him. It amounted to nothing in the end, but there was the possibility that he could come in and stabilize the run game. Low risk, high reward.
Plenty of low risk FA moves, even trades, and to still have that kind of cap and roster flexibility is impressive. ...and another ****ing Super Bowl win 
Per spotrac Brady has a $1mm base in 2017. His cap is $14mm. Damn low for a top 5QB.
There has to be funny stuff going on there.
His base in 2018 goes up to $14mm, and his cap hit is $22mm. They could cut him after 2017 and take a $14mm dead cap hit. They front loaded the bonus and back loaded the base. It's a smart deal for both sides from a retirement / age related injury perspective.
Somewhere (since late Sunday) I saw a blurb that said he might play 3-5 more years.
Why not. He can't be stopped. GOAT, greatest coach who ever lived........
As long as he stays healthy. Father time is more injury prone and takes longer to come back when injured. He does seem on a mission to just obliterate any kind of old age decline as well as obliterating all career QB stats.
Many of us predict it every year, but this truly seems like the year where we see TT trade out of R1 to maximize value. Unless someone really good fell (usually that is for a good reason though), I don't see a player that I love being at 29 right now. This is kind of my breakdown right now of where I think guys should go:
Top 15:
Top 28:
Best Available for GB:
Really good players but not good 1st round value:
It's a weird year to be at 29. There's a lot of players I love, like Watt and Baker and Samuel, but they're not players I think are necessarily worth a R1 pick. That's just my opinion though, my ratings don't necessarily match many draft sites. I think guys like Sidney Jones are being overrated because of the success of their team. When you turn the microscope on him or Peppers individually, they don't like quite as impressive. Even guys like Reuben Foster or Tim Williams, they don't look nearly as amazing on a consistent basis, but they make a few splash plays a game and everyone thinks they're the next big thing.
Updated list on Packers prospect visit:
