D'Onta Foreman ran a 4.45 40 at his Texas pro day today. Weighing 237 lbs. No RB over 230 lbs has run that fast in the last 14 years. I think a 4.45 40 would have been top 4 for all RB's at the combine.
Foreman is a load, and like Lacy he doesn't have a lot of wear on the legs. Used little until last season.
I like Foreman, he's totally unproven in pass pro or as a receiver, but he's a great ball carrier. If he's available in round 2 he'd be hard to pass up.
Was being projected as a 4th rounder, but his stock just went up
Foreman would be really hard to pass up at the end of round 2.
I like Foreman but would rather use the second rounder elsewhere. Just have the feeling there will still be good CB or OLB candidates (whatever Ted doesn't take in round one) available at the end of round two and RB quality should be good enough late in round four and five where I'd rather wait and grab one in that area.
Again, I like Foreman but (1) he's a fumbler (2) only caught 13 passes while at Texas (3) has a very poor reputation when it comes to blocking. All things that may be correctable or a function of how he was used in the Texas offense...so those things aren't major concerns for me...but just some factors why I'd pass, go with bigger need areas and be content to pick a running back (or maybe running backs) later.
Grave Digger posted:The question is why did Fournette fall? Rodgers fell because of Tedford Curse fears and stupidity, if a guy like Fournette fell you would assume it's injury related (long term damage potential) or character related (pending legal issues). Do you want to take on a RB who may be done in a couple years or may be suspended for 8-16 games? Probably not. If he falls for seemingly no reason then it's a no brainer...you have 2 starters at OLB and 0 starters at RB and he's a Bo Jackson level talent.
Bo Jackson is a stretch, I'd say maybe Jamal Lewis but say they have him rated a notch below that as a faster Shaun Alexander or Jamal Anderson? That's still a top back, but not transcendent.
Bo Jackson won Alabama state decathlon twice in high school. Both years he didn't even compete in the final event. The 1,500 meter because his lead was out of reach.
"Distance is the only think I hate about track. And you can't catch me in 100 yards or throw me out in 90 feet"
He set state records in the high jump and triple jump.
Yes. Bo Jackson comparison is a stretch.
Fournette ran a 4.51 40 at 240 lbs., that's pretty outstanding. He was also a T&F star in high school. No he's not a uniquely ridiculous athlete like Bo, none are, but he and Adrian Peterson are 1a and 1b in terms of the best RB prospects of the last 20 years. Comparing him to Shaun Alexander or Jamal Anderson is ridiculous, Fournette is a special talent.
Agree that Fournette is the best running back prospect since Peterson but I think he's just a notch below what Peterson was. I'd throw need out the window and take him at #29 if available, but he's the only running back I'd take in the first two rounds when looking at Green Bay's situation. But Fournette won't make it to #29, really shouldn't make it out of the top 10.
Agreed. If Fournette is at 29 then there is something really wrong with him that scared off every team before.
Cook would be hard to pass, but as it's been pointed out his character issues are tough to get past. Some are bad, some are just immature, is he truly a bad guy or just easily influenced by a bad crew? His talent is ridiculous though, he's a true 3 down back. If the dropoff between Cook and the next guy available is dramatic then I would take him, but it's hard to imagine there won't be a player there at 29 that would make this a non-issue.
Grave Digger posted:Fournette ran a 4.51 40 at 240 lbs., that's pretty outstanding. He was also a T&F star in high school. No he's not a uniquely ridiculous athlete like Bo, none are, but he and Adrian Peterson are 1a and 1b in terms of the best RB prospects of the last 20 years. Comparing him to Shaun Alexander or Jamal Anderson is ridiculous, Fournette is a special talent.
Which is why I compared him to Jamal Lewis, who was a 245# fast, do-it-all back, though Lewis was probably more versatile as a blocker/receiver. That passing game attributes (aside from medical/character) are about all that could cause teams to move him down a notch IMO. He's probably not the runner Peterson was, but he's more versatile that Peterson, but then so's a petrified tree stump.
BTW a faster/better Shaun Alexander isn't a knock. That five-year stretch is rather impressive.
| AREER STATSMORE | |||||||||||||||
| Season | Team | Rushing | Receiving | Fumbles | |||||||||||
| G | GS | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | Rec | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD | FUM | Lost | ||
| 2008 | Washington Redskins | 4 | 0 | 11 | 24 | 2.2 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 9.0 | 9 | 0 | -- | -- |
| 2007 | Seattle Seahawks | 13 | 10 | 207 | 716 | 3.5 | 25 | 4 | 14 | 76 | 5.4 | 18 | 1 | 2 | 0 |
| 2006 | Seattle Seahawks | 10 | 10 | 252 | 896 | 3.6 | 33T | 7 | 12 | 48 | 4.0 | 14 | 0 | 6 | 3 |
| 2005 | Seattle Seahawks | 16 | 16 | 370 | 1,880 | 5.1 | 88T | 27 | 15 | 78 | 5.2 | 9 | 1 | 5 | 1 |
| 2004 | Seattle Seahawks | 16 | 16 | 353 | 1,696 | 4.8 | 44 | 16 | 23 | 170 | 7.4 | 24 | 4 | 5 | 3 |
| 2003 | Seattle Seahawks | 16 | 15 | 326 | 1,435 | 4.4 | 55 | 14 | 42 | 295 | 7.0 | 22 | 2 | 4 | 3 |
| 2002 | Seattle Seahawks | 16 | 16 | 295 | 1,175 | 4.0 | 58 | 16 | 59 | 460 | 7.8 | 80T | 2 | 3 | 1 |
| 2001 | Seattle Seahawks | 16 | 12 | 309 | 1,318 | 4.3 | 88T | 14 | 44 | 343 | 7.8 | 28T | 2 | 4 | 4 |
| 2000 | Seattle Seahawks | 16 | 1 | 64 | 313 | 4.9 | 50 | 2 | 5 | 41 | 8.2 | 18 | 0 | 2 | 2 |
| TOTAL | 2,187 | 9,453 | 4.3 | 88 | 100 | 215 | 1,520 | 7.1 | 80 | 12 | 31 | 17 | |||
If they pick any RB that isn't named Fournette in the first two rounds I'm going to kick all of you clowns in the nuts. They just signed a huge weapon at TE and this offense is already potent. I'd be seriously pissed if TT wasn't giving The Wizard all the talent he is missing hence the reason why it's not his fault.
This article has a good discussion of the RB choices and how all of them might fall out of the first round.
https://theringer.com/ringer-n...rsion-2-6917921551d6
Teams must ask themselves: Does a two-down back like Fournette — a power runner who’s not going to give you a whole lot in the passing game — warrant a first-round pick? Is it worth taking an early chance on Cook, a proven playmaker with multiple off-field incidents in his past and two surgically repaired shoulders who measured out in the ninth percentile as an athlete at the combine? Can someone afford to take McCaffrey in the first knowing that he’s not likely to be a three-down sustainer between the tackles?
The trouble for the Packers is that the pass blocking skills of the RB are almost as important as the running ability. If the guy is no threat in the passing game (as Fournette apparently is not) and doesn't pass block well, he's not a high volume guy for GB. Fournette is the type of guy that can get 4 yards when it's blocked for 2 yards (like pre-whale Lacy) and that will be key for GB after jettisoning Sitton and Lang. It will be an interesting choice for TT if he falls that far.
Cook seems like the type of guy that needs a good OL in front of him to be successful. The Packers OTs are as good of pass blockers as there are in the NFL, but they aren't dominant run blockers and we'll be satisfied if the guards are adequate at this point.
McCaffrey seems like a better college version of Ty Montgomery. Interesting, Monty is a much bigger guy which I wouldn't have guessed (3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier). If you have concerns over Monty holding up physically, those are magnified with McCaffrey.
In the end, as a typical uninformed fan, I probably take Fournette if he's there but pass on the other two.
Redding was the top SPARQ RB? Man, I did not see that on the field.
MP's take makes the most sense simply from a backfield personnel point of view. Eddie was pretty solid on most fronts (still wish they'd have given him a one year deal). Given Monty's size and a full offseason/TC at RB I really think his blocking skills will improve making him a more complete RB. It doesn't mean they don't need another back but using a high pick on a RB just seems asinine.
Henry posted:If they pick any RB that isn't named Fournette in the first two rounds I'm going to kick all of you clowns in the nuts. They just signed a huge weapon at TE and this offense is already potent. I'd be seriously pissed if TT wasn't giving The Wizard all the talent he is missing hence the reason why it's not his fault.
I've held that opinion for years and TT has played along. It hasn't worked. I'm ready to jump ship and say just draft to your scouting strengths. Offense, offense and more offense. 54 to 45 is still a win.
Not if it is the other team scoring 54.
If Ted takes a RB in the first few rounds because he thinks he's the BPA, its not asinine. Even though RB isn't the biggest need on the current roster, hitting on a BPA RB is better than picking a Justin Harrell, Jerel Worthy, Pat Lee, Mike Neal, Derek Sherrod, Datone Jones, etc....just cause they are at a position of greater need doesn't make it a better pick.
Bottom line : get 3 or 4 good Football players in the draft.
Agree, I would not bat an eye if Ted takes a RB fairly early, I just don't see it in the first round. Second or third is not out of the question.
Ted needs a 10-12 sack guy that brings consistent pressure and energy in round 1. Lots to like about Daniels, Clark, RJF inside. Got to build a defense inside out with a front 7 that's interchangeable with playmakers.
Watt makes a lot of sense. Endless energy that this defense needs. Reddick could be there at 29.
Rush with four. Block with five. Win turnover differential. Have more explosive plays. That's football.
Find the right edge guy on defense in round 1 and you potentially swing 3 of those in your favor.
Sleeper pick. Tarell Basham. Super high character & effort Alpha dog on defense. He's going to be a good one.
Packdog posted:hitting on a BPA RB is better than picking a Justin Harrell, Jerel Worthy, Pat Lee, Mike Neal, Derek Sherrod, Datone Jones, etc....
Guh. Point taken.
It's a good year for RBs and I would be surprised if TT took one early (first two rounds). Still, I think they need to draft one as Monty isn't an every down guy and his injury history would suggest you might want to draft two backs just to be sure.
Sherrod was **** happens. I think he could have been good.
The very best thing I can say about Mike Neal is Ted gave him an extension that he refused to give Datone. So it's not like Ted isn't admitting he ****ed up. I love seeing Ted swing the machete on picks that he thinks need to be better.
Ted is capable of damned near anything in this draft.
Possibly pick up Utah RB Joe Williams or someone similar later in the draft if he checks out and seems committed to the game. I don't follow the draft that closely so I don't have any idea when he's projected to go. Maybe he'll end up being an UDFA and could be the 2nd back drafted/signed if they decide to bring 2 to camp.
I think we could get Williams as late as the 6th round. It was reported that he has met with the Packers.
Tarrell Basham under Weaknesses in the above link:
"Leaves his hands at home rather than turning them into weapons of victory."
'weapons of victory' - wtf...
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ah, that explains it - a bull****ter, and a texas one at that.
I like this kid, borderline 2nd - 3rd rounds:
Tdog posted:"Leaves his hands at home rather than turning them into weapons of victory."
Not this guy
Nothing wrong with grabbing a little nip.
I don't see any of these guys falling to #29 except McCaffrey and I don't see TT using a 1st round pick on a RB.
One guy rumored to possibly slide a bit is Derrick Barnett, but I don't see it. If he did, he'd be a great pick even though he'd fit in Perry's profile.
Packy posted:I don't see any of these guys falling to #29 except McCaffrey and I don't see TT using a 1st round pick on a RB.
Joe Mixon, possibly the best back in thr draft may be available in the 3rd round, he will be taken eventually, by someone.....just sayin.
Pikes Peak posted:Packy posted:I don't see any of these guys falling to #29 except McCaffrey and I don't see TT using a 1st round pick on a RB.
Joe Mixon, possibly the best back in thr draft may be available in the 3rd round, he will be taken eventually, by someone.....just sayin.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...oe-mixon-draft-board
Easy for them....they don't have a pick till the 3rd round
Pikes Peak posted:Packy posted:I don't see any of these guys falling to #29 except McCaffrey and I don't see TT using a 1st round pick on a RB.
Joe Mixon, possibly the best back in thr draft may be available in the 3rd round, he will be taken eventually, by someone.....just sayin.
The Bengals or the Cowboys in round 5.
Pikes Peak posted:Packy posted:I don't see any of these guys falling to #29 except McCaffrey and I don't see TT using a 1st round pick on a RB.
Joe Mixon, possibly the best back in thr draft may be available in the 3rd round, he will be taken eventually, by someone.....just sayin.
I'd be willing to bet not by TT.
Just re watched some Tak combine clips. Dude moves like a DB. Injury flyer.
quit living in the past, people! that was 3 years ago! 
on the way home the radio guys said the GBP interviewed Mixon at the combine. take that fwiw.
edit: wasn't at combine, whoops.
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Aforementioned team that brought in Joe Mixon this week was the Packers. Like others, getting info/medical they didn't get at Combine.
Mixon pretending to get fake punched in the face by his teammates in their bowl game against Auburn a couple months back was something. A complete and total lack of self awareness. Maybe it's just Stoops guys being Stoops guys. But I would stay as far away from the guy as possible.
Punch women = you don't belong in GB or in the NFL. He seemingly lacks self control. I don't care how talented he is, Greg Hardy is incredibly talented, but he doesn't belong in the NFL.
A pre-draft visit to GB seems to be a sign they aren't going to draft the player in question for some reason.
I recall the Badgers just missing out on landing Joe Mixon. Commits to OU and what a surprise he decks some chick. Then he claims he was egged on.
Not that UW is squeaky clean (Montee Ball much) but they aren't OU either.
Hope they stay the hell away from that guy
Would you trade the 29th pick in the draft for Richard Sherman? Seattle is apparently listening to offers.
It might take 29 and something else.
I'd do that deal in a heart beat.
Could he be the second coming of Charles Woodson for the Packers? If so, then yes. I didn't think Woody had that much left in the tank when we signed him. Glad we did.
Interesting table from Pro Football Focus breaking down the play of this year's top CB prospects.
https://www.profootballfocus.c...k-prospects-of-2017/
I still think Gareon Conley would be Thompson's number one choice if available at #29. The positive is that he was #1 in passer rating allowed, #3 in yards per coverage snap and #2 in playmaker index. On the flip side, he ranked a miserable #112 in run defense. Interesting that even with the plus-plus coverage evaluation, Pro Football Focus does not rank him in their list of top 10 cornerbacks.
Next best candidate could very well be Chidobe Awuzie. He was great at the combine, but only ranked #89 in passer rating allowed and #111 in run defense. Pro Football Focus still rated him #24 in coverage which is interesting because the rest of the numbers don't seem to back that up. He also isn't listed in Pro Football Focus' top 10 CB prospects.
It's really interesting that Teez Tabor, who ran in the mid 4.7's at Florida's Pro Day, is still listed as the number #4 CB on the Pro Football Focus board. Tape is important, but IMO the numbers in the table aren't so overwhelming that I would forget those combine numbers and just go with what I saw on film. #44 coverage grade in college plus real bad 40 time indicates the player might have a real hard time transitioning to the NFL. I loved him two months go but now wouldn't spend anything higher than the #91 pick on him.
A player that is really getting knocked for his speed that has kind of rebounded on my board is Desmond King. He's very much a long-shot as a Packer pick because of his lack of height. But ignoring that, I think he's a really solid prospect and now is under-valued as a mid to late third rounder. As everyone who watches Big 10 football knows, the guy can play and is a playmaker. The numbers on the Pro Football Focus back that up. The 3-cone at the combine was outstanding and the 34-inch vertical isn't terrible for a 5-10 player. Ran at the Iowa Pro Day and the 40 time wasn't great but I think most were expecting worse...a 4.55 and a 4.58.
This table probably reflects best on Cordrea Tankersley. #6 coverage grade, #6 run defense, #7 passer rating allowed and #13 playmaker index. Really the only things bad on his resume were well below average agility numbers at the combine (which Thompson seems to place real value on) and that he was guilty of interference too frequently in college. But he's a 6-1+ cornerback that runs a 4.40 40 and as the table shows the guy can play. He's grading in mid to low round two area. If Thompson goes LB in round one, Tankersley looks like he'd be a great pickup if he makes it to Green Bay's second round pick.
Shaquill Griffin is a player that caught my eye a couple weeks back largely based on his combine numbers that were plus-plus across the board. Turns out he had largely been ignored because Central Florida largely played off-coverage (in cover 3 and cover 4 much of the time), so Griffin always played off which led to assumptions that he was slow. He definitely disproved that at Indianapolis. The off-coverage factor definitely shows up in the table (#87 in first down percentage), but there are some other numbers in that table that look pretty good (#4 coverage grade, #10 run defense grade, #14 playmaker index). The transition for him to the NFL could be pretty tough, but he's a 6-0+ cornerback that runs a 4.38, has a 38.5 inch vertical, 4.14 short shuttle and 6.87 3-cone. Nowhere to be seen on any top 150 list, this guy is probably the most under-rated prospect, regardless of position, in this draft as of today. We'll see if that changes over the next few weeks.
Did you get your stuff from Pro Football Focus?
Good job PJ. I like your analysis. I would really like a CB in the first round but figured TT would pick a OLB (or maybe Mixon) The points on height ,speed, agility and effectiveness were insightful. Perhaps a good one can be found in the early to mid rounds. I loved that you talked about the scheme they played in because sometimes the skills of good players are underused in the wrong scheme.
Thanks again for the post.
Awuzie is the most complete CB in the draft outside of Lattimore and maybe Sidney Jones. He plays inside, outside, some Safety, and rushes the QB. Conley seems like a great fit also, but with his height/speed/agility I have a hard time believing he will make it to 29, especially with Sidney Jones bumped way down now.
I like Akhello Witherspoon, who played opposite side of Awuzie. He should be there in the 3rd - 4th round. I think he's pretty underrated. He has great size and good speed. And he played well in a PAC 12 with some very good QBs and WRs. Not great at playing the run but with how bad our pass defense was, probably should focus on CBs that can cover and worry about their run defense later. But he'd need some development, so likely not a year 1 starter.
Mike Daniels chewing up three Lions and making the stop for a loss.
Thats good.
Take note of Ryan and Martinez. I have no idea why Martinez skates the line and let's Ebron get into him. Total Hawk flashback.
Thats just bad ILB play.
RE: Martinez skating... rook-ie?
Coach-ing? If Daniels and Clark are blowing up misdirection two yards deep the last thing you want to see is your weak side MLB letting a TE getting his hands on you one yard in the end zone. Especially when that's Ebrons second level block. Ryan wasn't horrible getting clean. Martinez has to bring water to the fire. Not secure the perimeter.
Tdog posted:quit living in the past, people! that was 3 years ago!
on the way home the radio guys said the GBP interviewed Mixon at the combine. take that fwiw.
edit: wasn't at combine, whoops.
MM is looking for a groundskeeper...just saying.
ChilliJon posted:Would you trade the 29th pick in the draft for Richard Sherman? Seattle is apparently listening to offers.
It might take 29 and something else.
I'd do that deal in a heart beat.
Crazy. Dude is old.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:Could he be the second coming of Charles Woodson for the Packers? If so, then yes. I didn't think Woody had that much left in the tank when we signed him. Glad we did.
We didn't give up a piece of the future to get Chas, for one. Also, it was YOU who mentioned that he might be the next Chas Woody. No one can say for sure that he will be the next Charles Woodson.
ChilliJon posted:Mike Daniels chewing up three Lions and making the stop for a loss.
SICK!!!
Richard Sherman minus Earl Thomas = burnt toast.
No thanks.
Goalline posted:SanDiegoPackFan posted:Could he be the second coming of Charles Woodson for the Packers? If so, then yes. I didn't think Woody had that much left in the tank when we signed him. Glad we did.
We didn't give up a piece of the future to get Chas, for one. Also, it was YOU who mentioned that he might be the next Chas Woody. No one can say for sure that he will be the next Charles Woodson.
huh? I don't get your post GL. But, I"m glad you can read.
Yes, indeed...it was I... 
...in the post you had quoted....who said that he COULD be the second coming of Charles Woodson (Chas ? really? too funny) .....anyway....if so, then I think he might be worth it. We didn't give up something to get Woody because he was a free agent. Ya see, Sherman is still under contract so it will take some cache to get him IF TT wants him. There, I hope that helped your comprehension. 
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I think Sherman has 2 years left on his deal so there's no guarantee he would be a long term fixture if they could even make this happen.
However, if you could get him for the 29th pick I'd strongly consider making that move. He brings a toughness and swagger this D is missing and he addresses an immediate need.
Not sure he's nearly as good as his reputation but he was hurt last year and is still pretty damn good.
Come on, do you really want players who run up & down the sideline screaming at the head coach & OC about their play selection? We've never had that in GB & I for one don't want to start now.
ChilliJon posted:Coach-ing?
I'm pretty sure that should be a given in any conversation concerning this defense.
I just refer to PFF to tell me how great AJ Hawk was though. So there always that too.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:. There, I hope that helped your comprehension.
Edge
https://www.profootballfocus.c...r-prospects-of-2017/
So according to the Pro Football Focus table Jordan Willis was not simply a flash in the pan at the combine but also the top graded edge player. Really puzzling how he is only sixth in their rankings, especially behind a guy like Tim Williams who has red flags all over him. Willis is still in the late round two area on the big consensus board but more and more looks like a player who would be well worth the #29 pick.
It was surprising to see such mediocre run grade defense grades by Carl Lawson and Charles Harris compared to the rest of the field. Not really sure if similar grades by Thompson would affect his overall rating of these players as past drafts have shown he seems to look at pass-rush upside over all other things when it comes to defensive linemen and outside linebackers. Lawson has length issues to begin with (6-1 3/4 with 31 1/2 inch arms). Harris' combine performance was in the so-so to disappointing area. Prior to this I thought Thompson would prefer players like Watt, Willis and McKinley (shoulder surgery could knock him down and effectively take him off the board), and these run defense numbers show that Lawson and Harris probably should be ranked a notch below the other guys.
Trey Hendrickson has the #4 overall grade on the Pro Football Focus table. He had a really good combine and would make a pretty attractive candidate in round three if Thompson surprises and goes with other positions in rounds one and two. Personally when I watch Hendrickson there are almost times where he looks like he might be better at ILB rather than OLB in the Packer's defense.
Derek Rivers looked like another decent possibility at the end of round three but that 93 ranking in total pressures % sticks out like a sore thumb. That is a surprising number, because Rivers was a 15 sack player in 2016. If Thompson sees that pressure % the same way as Pro Football Focus, and then take into account the level of competition, Rivers probably can't be graded any higher than a late rounder.
And a lot of people will be looking at the table, Hunter Dimick's #5 overall grade and wonder exactly how a player like this, that racked up 14.5 sacks and 20 tackles for loss last season as a PAC-12 player, did not get a combine invitation? 33 career starts and Utah's all-time career sack leader with 29.5. Dimick's 40-time at the pro day wasn't great (mid 4.7) and the vertical was a bit ugly (28-inch), but he benched 225 38 times and posted a 4.13 short shuttle and 7.15 3-cone which are all plus-plus-plus numbers for a 268 pound player. Looks like one of the most under-rated guys out there.
Don't listen to hank Joe. I agree with the heart of your post.
I too agree lots of people will be looking at the table.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:Goalline posted:SanDiegoPackFan posted:Could he be the second coming of Charles Woodson for the Packers? If so, then yes. I didn't think Woody had that much left in the tank when we signed him. Glad we did.
We didn't give up a piece of the future to get Chas, for one. Also, it was YOU who mentioned that he might be the next Chas Woody. No one can say for sure that he will be the next Charles Woodson.
huh? I don't get your post GL. But, I"m glad you can read.
Yes, indeed...it was I...
Let me clear this up for all parties, particularly the stupid one.
The fact Sherman and Woodson are even brought up in the same conversation is a sure sign of brain trauma or more likely deliberate ignorance, which is the inability to admit you're a liar.
I mean I know we all just got the report on Sherman being the next Woody from some random website but you'd have to be pretty ****ing stupid to actually believe it.
That's like someone putting a lump of coal in your stocking and telling you it's Christmas.
I guess it's a good thing GMs study tape and not tables.
Betcha Ted is a huge fan of "Fixer Upper"
"I need someone to find out where table goes to school. Did we miss tables Pro day?" - Rick Spielman.
There is no next Charles Woodson, at least not in the league now. Only CB in recent memory who has done what Woodson did is another Woodson: Rod. Most great CBs go the way of Darrelle Revis and Champ Bailey; once the athleticism is gone, they're career is done. There is no move to safety. Making that move is hard, not many CBs can play both at a high level. Rod and Charles were unique and I don't see another CB in the NFL that will be able to do what they did late in their careers.
IMO, Sherman is a very good CB in a perfect system with the perfect safety playing behind him. Sherman can press and be physical and doesnt really need to cover deep b/c Earl Thomas is the best centerfielder in the NFL. That plays into Sherman's strength (size and strength) and hides his weakness (lack of speed). In Seattle, Sherman is a $10m CB. In GB, he's probably more of a $5m CB. I'll pass on Sherman and his $10m+ salary.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:Goalline posted:SanDiegoPackFan posted:Could he be the second coming of Charles Woodson for the Packers? If so, then yes. I didn't think Woody had that much left in the tank when we signed him. Glad we did.
We didn't give up a piece of the future to get Chas, for one. Also, it was YOU who mentioned that he might be the next Chas Woody. No one can say for sure that he will be the next Charles Woodson.
huh? I don't get your post GL. But, I"m glad you can read.
Yes, indeed...it was I...
Getting ahead of things. I know you. 
Reading comprehension champ? You? Your very response was evidence to the contrary.
The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:
1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy football
Although social media tends to infect fantasy sports, fantasy has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. In turn, this has given rise to a new sports "journalism" to cater to these idots, which they consume with great fervor.
Thus, we get 'tables' and 'subjective' grades that are supposed to replace studying tape and scouts' eyeballs.
Yeah, that's a recipe for success.
Henry posted:That's like someone putting a lump of coal in your stocking and telling you it's Christmas.
You, my friend, are a ****ing poet.
ChilliJon posted:"I need someone to find out where table goes to school. Did we miss tables Pro day?" - Rick Spielman.
According to PFF his three coaster time was off the charts.
Spielmans going to blow a gasket when Zimmer tells him he repeatedly saw tables at the combine.
Timmy! posted:The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:
1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy football
4. Fantasy News?
Timmy! posted:The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:
1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy footballAlthough social media tends to infect fantasy sports, fantasy has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. In turn, this has given rise to a new sports "journalism" to cater to these idots, which they consume with great fervor.
Thus, we get 'tables' and 'subjective' grades that are supposed to replace studying tape and scouts' eyeballs.
Yeah, that's a recipe for success.
A thousand times YES for #3. A million times NO for number 3. How else can a guy get porn on the go?
Might be time you found another fantasy league.
Timmy! posted:The 3 worst 'inventions' in modern history:
1. Cell phones
2. Social Media
3. Fantasy footballAlthough social media tends to infect fantasy sports, fantasy has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners. In turn, this has given rise to a new sports "journalism" to cater to these idots, which they consume with great fervor.
Thus, we get 'tables' and 'subjective' grades that are supposed to replace studying tape and scouts' eyeballs.
Yeah, that's a recipe for success.
I'd like to add the remote control device to that list......that one invention helped turn the USA into a fat and lazy nation. Ha ha, JMHO. 
I think that was the Cheetos we call food. No wind sprints to the tv could overcome the "food" industry
Richard Sherman minus Earl Thomas = burnt toast.
GAME OVER!
Sherman plus Ha Ha. Lots to like about that. Rapoport mentioned New England approached Seattle to inquire about a Sherman trade. Soon after they signed Gilmore. Tells me the asking price isn't reasonable.
Timmy! posted:…has given rise to an entire generation of armchair GM's/owners.
I miss the days of arm chair GMs. We are now in the days of man-cave dwellers in their leather barcalounger with a loaded 'verbal' weapon on their lap.
Henry posted:SanDiegoPackFan posted:Goalline posted:SanDiegoPackFan posted:Could he be the second coming of Charles Woodson for the Packers? If so, then yes. I didn't think Woody had that much left in the tank when we signed him. Glad we did.
We didn't give up a piece of the future to get Chas, for one. Also, it was YOU who mentioned that he might be the next Chas Woody. No one can say for sure that he will be the next Charles Woodson.
huh? I don't get your post GL. But, I"m glad you can read.
Yes, indeed...it was I...
Let me clear this up for all parties, particularly the stupid one.
The fact Sherman and Woodson are even brought up in the same conversation is a sure sign of brain trauma or more likely deliberate ignorance, which is the inability to admit you're a liar.
I mean I know we all just got the report on Sherman being the next Woody from some random website but you'd have to be pretty ****ing stupid to actually believe it.
That's like someone putting a lump of coal in your stocking and telling you it's Christmas.
Don't Call GoalLine, stupid, Hank. Don't be "that guy". Everyone has an opinion. It's just that if someone has a different opinion than you, you think it's stupid. Typical of your ilk, Hanky.
I saw Hank's ilk once....
...once was enough.
SanDiegoPackFan posted:Don't Call GoalLine, stupid, Hank. Don't be "that guy". Everyone has an opinion. It's just that if someone has a different opinion than you, you think it's stupid. Typical of your ilk, Hanky.
The 5th grade is suing for copyright infringement.
ChilliJon posted:Sherman plus Ha Ha. Lots to like about that. Rapoport mentioned New England approached Seattle to inquire about a Sherman trade. Soon after they signed Gilmore. Tells me the asking price isn't reasonable.
Might be more reasonable now that Dick knows they are shopping him......a unhappy Sherman could make it a looooong year in the northwest.