Official 2017 NFL Draft Thread

DH13 posted:

Hungry5 posted:

DeAndre Levy might be a low risk / high reward signing in the summer. 

I thought i saw something that said he had more damage than the doctor told him.  Didn't have time to read the article.

ESPN link

"Still had the same issues emerge in March as from December/January," Levy said in an email to ESPN. "Turns out there was a little more damage than I was being told and there's no way I should've been back on the field last year."

In March, he said "hell no, I wasn't even close" to being fully healthy when he returned to the field.

Lions f'd up and rushed him back to the field. For a playoff run.

The 30-year-old linebacker told ESPN, "I'm very pleased about how things went" with the surgery and that "I'm glad to finally start the process to heal."

Hmm

Henry posted:

x4 should write a self help book for Patriots fans.  "What to Expect When You're Expecting to Suck".

Other titles might include:

"Sucking For Rookies"

"Bottom Feeders - A Beginner's Manual" 

"Moving On Down - And Liking It"

"A Guide For Selling Losing To Yours Fans"

Hungry5 posted:

DeAndre Levy might be a low risk / high reward signing in the summer. 

Can he play CB?

The damned draft should be this weekend. Screw you NFL for moving it back two weeks. 

"What?$$ I $$ can't $$ hear $$ you!" $igned, R$o$g$e$r G$o$o$d$e$l$l

Goodell fines players that participated in an arm wrestling event held in Las Vegas casino because current NFL policy prohibits players from participating in events held in casinos. 

It writes itself. 

Lamar Odom is just thankful hookers are illegal in Clark County. 

Ron Jaworski on @SportsCenter on the top-rated QBs in this draft: "I wouldn't take any of these guys in the first round."

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 11, 2017

"Kaepernick, could be one of the greatest ever"

Anyone have eyeballs on Foreman out of TX?  Big back with speed and a ton of production last year but usually see him as 6th RB taken, or later.  His measureables are similar to Lacy coming out so what's the deal?  Is he not as physical for his size?

Jaws obviously meant to add, " if he played the Packers more"

Hungry5 posted:

Foreman is a load, and like Lacy he doesn't have a lot of wear on the legs. Used little until last season.

DH13 posted:

Anyone have eyeballs on Foreman out of TX?  Big back with speed and a ton of production last year but usually see him as 6th RB taken, or later.  His measureables are similar to Lacy coming out so what's the deal?  Is he not as physical for his size?

Not a pass-catcher and a big-time fumbler.  Some reports have him as terrible blocker, but some reports have him as being a plus-blocker.  Pro Football Focus gave him the top blocking grade for running backs in this year's class, Nawrocki refers to him as a "functional pass protector," Zierlein says "poor mechanics in pass protection."  Pretty much covered the entire spectrum there.  But he didn't have many catches at Texas (13) and got across the board bad reviews for his pass-catching during the workouts.  There is no question about the fumbling problem.  He fumbled once every 49.56 touches which is the third worst mark among running backs in this class (average of "draftable" running backs in this class is 88).  He had a huge game against Kansas and then undid all the good he did in that game by fumbling it away in the end.

The similarity with Lacy that has to worry evaluators is his weight.  Foreman had the highest body-fat measurement of any running back at the combine.

He still is grading out as a third rounder but I think the 40-time will push him up into the late second round area. 

I don't understand why Deshaun Watson seems to constantly get downgraded. He checks boxes for size, athleticism, leadership, accomplishments, etc. He's not a refined passer, which is why he shouldn't be a top 5 pick, but with a little coaching I think he could end up being a franchise QB. Scouting sites seem to act like he's a developmental QB. I don't think Watson makes it out of the top 15, definitely doesn't make it to round 2. Trubisky is a guy I don't see as being a 1st rounder at all. Davis Webb is the #2 QB in my opinion.

DH13 posted:

Anyone have eyeballs on Foreman out of TX?  Big back with speed and a ton of production last year but usually see him as 6th RB taken, or later.  His measureables are similar to Lacy coming out so what's the deal?  Is he not as physical for his size?

http://www.packers.com/news-an...5e-b5fd-1898b4712ac5

Prospect Primer from Packers.com might help. 

I somewhat agree with Jaworski. I like Watson apparently about the same as GD, but he's the only guy I think is worth a first rounder. I understand the need for a good QB, but over-drafting schlubs or throwing guys who aren't ready to the wolves isn't the answer. 

Deshaun Watson's average ball velocity at the combine was less than 47 M.P.H. and that is a terrible number.  Drew Brees can get away with it because he is a master of anticipation, timing and ball placement...for Watson to succeed in the NFL he'll have to be somewhat close to Brees in those areas.  His interception number over the last two years is somewhat of a concern, but I think an NFL coach will get him to be a bit more disciplined with the football once he is out of the "score-fest" college environment.  Have to love the positives...sounds like he's a pretty-level headed guy who has been a winner because it's important to him.

Ball velocity is a pretty useless stat. I guarantee Peyton Manning and Tom Brady would have had terrible ball velocity stats if they measured it back then. Both came in to the NFL pretty lean and had to improve their arm strength. Jamarcus Russell probably would have dominated ball velocity. Watson can and has made all the throws the NFL requires. 

Vince Biegel interview on Wilde and Tausch

"Watson can and has made all the throws the NFL requires. "

Whenever I see this, I always think "what does this really mean"?

The caveat being he's made "all those NFL throws" against NCAA competition.  I have no idea what kind of pro Watson will be and I'm willing to die with that on my conscience. 

GBFanForLife posted:

"Watson can and has made all the throws the NFL requires. "

Whenever I see this, I always think "what does this really mean"?

To me it means he can accurately throw short, intermediate, and deep passes in a variety of locations with relatively good accuracy. There are noodle armed QBs who struggle to push the ball down the field with any accuracy. Really what it comes down to is that the NFL requires QBs to throw a lot more intermediate routes (~10 to 20 yard routes) than college offenses generally do which means NFL QBs have to consistently be able to deliver accurate throws over a throwing distance of 20-40 yards, depending on the route. If they're just heaving it to get it 40 yards then they're probably not ready for primetime. 

DH13 posted:

The caveat being he's made "all those NFL throws" against NCAA competition.  I have no idea what kind of pro Watson will be and I'm willing to die with that on my conscience. 

I would wager to say every draft eligible QB falls within this criteria.

El-Ka-Bong posted:

What's that mean?  He is outstanding in his field? 

Grave Digger posted:

DH13 posted:

The caveat being he's made "all those NFL throws" against NCAA competition.  I have no idea what kind of pro Watson will be and I'm willing to die with that on my conscience. 

I would wager to say every draft eligible QB falls within this criteria.

Yes, thanks for putting my soul at ease.

I thought that happened 4 years ago?

DH13 posted:

After surviving over 40 years as a bachelor, I ran out of gas going on 4 years ago now.  We must still be in the honeymoon phase cuz as crazy as that cuckoo bird is, my life is better with her in it.

Oh it did.  

She clearly didn't marry me for my writing ability.

Is that your way of saying you're hung like a Shetland Pony?

You guys have posted some pretty good mocks. I found one link to another mock that I like. Some unknowns to me on it but I still like it.

http://packerswire.usatoday.co...hompsons-tendencies/

What the hell does that have to do with pony penises, Patrick?

Agree.

What kind of forum is this anyway?

Focus people.

Anyone got an Adderall prescription to share with X4?

I have model glue.  

I'll bring the inhalants.

Henry posted:

I have model glue.  

What are you gluing your supermodels to?

Goalline posted:

What the hell does that have to do with pony penises, Patrick?

I officially don't get this response.  Everyone else has posted mocks.  Doesn't mean any of them are going to come true. 

Fedya posted:

Henry posted:

I have model glue.  

What are you gluing your supermodels to?

Myself.

This isn't the railroad forum?

PackerPatrick posted:

You guys have posted some pretty good mocks. I found one link to another mock that I like. Some unknowns to me on it but I still like it.

http://packerswire.usatoday.co...hompsons-tendencies/

Bowser in the first? Great measurables but he's really raw, kind of reminds me of a Bruce Irvin, though Irvin also did go high.  

I also doubt Hill lasts until the fifth round. 

Not a fan of taking Bowser in round one.  Would be a classic case of taking a guy that is 80% athlete and 20% football player.  He'll be a force if he hits his upside but there are just too many holes in his game.  He's timid and bad against the run.  More times than not, if an offensive lineman gets his hands on him it's play over.  He'd be well worth rolling the dice on at #61, but IMO he just isn't enough of a player at this point to take at #29.  But I could see Thompson drafting him.  Thompson values athletes with pass-rush upside over everything else when taking DL/OLB and Bowser definitely fits the bill.  Across the board numbers at Indianapolis were very similar to Watt.

I like the rest of that draft though.  As fans I wonder if we are getting too hung up on OLB as the sole source of pass-rush and wonder if the team might be better off with a Chris Wormley type DL-man pick early on.  Wormley will never be a 12 sack player, but he has the upside to be a 6 or 7 sack guy from the five-technique and could be a guy that piles up the pressures and frees up the blitzers a little more often.  He's a solid player and would be excellent value at #61.  Griffin is a big project and another "athlete" over "football player," but in this case the team would be using pick #93 on him and he's worth the gamble in this area of the draft.  Levin in round five is an interesting player.  Didn't know much about him prior to February but he really lit it up at the combine.  Evaluations I read seem to indicate he lacks core strength and figures to get pushed around a lot at the next level.  Wouldn't mind see the Packers use that late of a pick on him.

Herschel posted:

PackerPatrick posted:

You guys have posted some pretty good mocks. I found one link to another mock that I like. Some unknowns to me on it but I still like it.

http://packerswire.usatoday.co...hompsons-tendencies/

Bowser in the first? Great measurables but he's really raw, kind of reminds me of a Bruce Irvin, though Irvin also did go high.  

I also doubt Hill lasts until the fifth round. 

What I liked about this mock was that the guys looked like that had potential and sort of fit TT's MO. I read that Hill was moving up some boards. But I don't know Mocks that well.

Wormley could be in consideration at 29 after his Pro Day workout. 4.84 40 at 300 lbs. with a 1.62 10 yd split, that's outstanding. Clay Matthews had 1.58 10 yd split for reference. He and Jon Allen are probably 1a and 1b in terms of the best interior pass rushers in the draft and best overall interior players. You're correct in saying he won't be a 10+ sack per year guy, but neither was Justin Smith. I think best case scenario with Wormley you're getting a Justin Smith-type grinder who can slide all over the line and be a 4-down player and produce...worst case scenario, based on what's been said of his character, he's probably a Dean Lowry/CJ Wilson type (good guys and good depth, but they aren't guys you want starting). I wouldn't upset if he's the pick at 29. 

True about Wormley. I was drawn to Griffens speed and thought he was a good value in the third round. Its true that most of the picks in that draft were raw but would have good value where we are picking.

If Wormley is the first player selected by GB. It damned well better happen early in the second round with Ted grabbing another pick or two. 

Nobody wants to pick Troy Fumagalli in the first round anymore?  

ChilliJon posted:

If Wormley is the first player selected by GB. It damned well better happen early in the second round with Ted grabbing another pick or two. 

This. If you're grabbing a guy for primary pass rush in the first round, I'd think you generally want 10 sack upside. 

I don't agree with the 10 sack rule at all. The Justin Smith comparison is a good one. Justin was round 1. 4th overall pick. Never recorded double digit sacks once in his career. Probably the most dominant and disruptive defensive lineman in the NFL when he decided to retire. 

If Wormley is a shadow-like representation of Justin Smith i'd be fine with GB taking him as their first player selected. As long as that pick happens early in round 2.