They'll be home in January watching the playoffs on TV. Texans will slaughter them this week. 2-4.
They could easily be 4-1 or 0-5. Who can predict which team will show up.
All I know is they'll twice come out of the tunnel flatter than a pancake.
All I know is they'll twice come out of the tunnel flatter than a pancake.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LarseeBear:
They could easily be 4-1 or 0-5. Who can predict which team will show up.
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What 2 or 3 or 4 teams are available? I've seen only 1 this yr.
They could easily be 4-1 or 0-5. Who can predict which team will show up.
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What 2 or 3 or 4 teams are available? I've seen only 1 this yr.
I honestly don't understand what you're asking me.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
I honestly don't understand what you're asking me.
Pretty simple, you wonder which team will show up, I think as of right now there is only one team....and it is pretty much lousy. After 5 games the writing is usually on the wall. Can they turn it around? Yes. Have other teams done it in the past? Yes. But more often than not you are what you are.
quote:Originally posted by slowmo:
--other than CMIII near sack on the 3rd and 12 that might have been ballgame---killed us.
That was a killer. A sack or a sack-fumble there and CMIII is a hero and the Packers win. I don't know how Luck was able to get out of that and complete that pass right on target. Props to him. CMII has to make that play though, that is why he is on the team.
We could easily be 4-1 minus refs sucking.
Hope next game's refs don't have their heads up their vaginas.
Hope next game's refs don't have their heads up their vaginas.
Jeebus dude switch to decaf. You're starting to make me miss pablo.
We need a W in the Houston game and sadly I just don't see it happening. Really hoping that they prove me wrong.
quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
We could easily be 4-1 minus refs sucking.
Hope next game's refs don't have their heads up their vaginas.
You are begining to sound like a Viking fan, without a holding call last week they could be 1 and 4.
That's why I posted who knows which team will show up.
And you're right, shoeless, I'm taking it way too hard. Can't believe how disappointed I am. I feel worse today upon reflection than during the game. I had that snakebit feeling of inevitability right away in the second half.
And you're right, shoeless, I'm taking it way too hard. Can't believe how disappointed I am. I feel worse today upon reflection than during the game. I had that snakebit feeling of inevitability right away in the second half.
TT's main objective in drafting defense was to give CM3 more help in rushing the passer. Now he is being doubled and triple covered the last 3 games. Either the rookie help hasn't figured it out yet or Capers has figured it out yet. I did not see CM3 do one stunt today like he did last week on Brees.
quote:Originally posted by danhandy:
TT's main objective in drafting defense was to give CM3 more help in rushing the passer. Now he is being doubled and triple covered the last 3 games. Either the rookie help hasn't figured it out yet or Capers has figured it out yet. I did not see CM3 do one stunt today like he did last week on Brees.
Which seems odd when Indy's one very good O-lineman is Costanzo.
Woodson, Burnett, Williams and Matthews all played 100 snaps yesterday. 100 snaps.
That's a lot.
Can't put your defense on the field that many times, in the positions they were in and expect it to be pretty.
Again, I honestly don't think our defense is that bad. In fact, I think our pass defense is much improved and possibly one of the best in the league.
That's a lot.
Can't put your defense on the field that many times, in the positions they were in and expect it to be pretty.
Again, I honestly don't think our defense is that bad. In fact, I think our pass defense is much improved and possibly one of the best in the league.
Compared to last year, the defense is improved significantly and the offense is declined even more significantly.
One things for sure, defensive coaches have finally had enough of Jarrett Bush trying to cover people. He's got 1 snap the past 2 games.
quote:Video:
Why are the Packers having issues to start the season?
Darren Sharper, Heath Evans and Brian Billick explain why Aaron Rodgers has not been putting up MVP-like numbers.
quote:Colts challenged Packers and won
packers.com
by Vic Ketchman on Monday, October 8th, 2012
Meanwhile, Defensive Coordinator Dom Capers’ evaluation of his unit’s play no doubt required more work, since the Packers defense was on the field for 89 plays, as compared to the Packers offense’s 61.
Was his defense gassed late in the game?
“That’s a lot of plays,” Capers said. “When you play as hard as Clay (Matthews) does, I think it’s significant when you’re out there for nearly 90 plays.”
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Thanks, Tit. I guess they made the point I want to: we are not tough enough, both in crunch time and when adversity comes our way. We need to be mentally and physically tougher. Physical toughness will come when/IF we run the ball, and by our D crunching someone. I'm tired of being known as a finesse team. Mental toughness is much more difficult to force or will to happen. That will have to come from MM in the locker room and from Rodgers/Woodson on the field.
They aren't a physical football team. In 2010, they were. They beat teams up defensively. The OL was pedestrian running the ball, but they still committed to it with Kuhn, Jackson, and then later Starks.
They just aren't physical, tough, whatever you want to call it. The defense attacked the Bears... that's been missing the last two weeks. Attack, attack attack...
They just aren't physical, tough, whatever you want to call it. The defense attacked the Bears... that's been missing the last two weeks. Attack, attack attack...
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
One things for sure, defensive coaches have finally had enough of Jarrett Bush trying to cover people. He's got 1 snap the past 2 games.
Thank Christ!
quote:Originally posted by Music City:
They aren't a physical football team. In 2010, they were. They beat teams up defensively. The OL was pedestrian running the ball, but they still committed to it with Kuhn, Jackson, and then later Starks.
They just aren't physical, tough, whatever you want to call it. The defense attacked the Bears... that's been missing the last two weeks. Attack, attack attack...
Agree - this is a huge factor that is missing from this team.
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
Thanks, Tit. I guess they made the point I want to: we are not tough enough, both in crunch time and when adversity comes our way. We need to be mentally and physically tougher. Physical toughness will come when/IF we run the ball, and by our D crunching someone. I'm tired of being known as a finesse team. Mental toughness is much more difficult to force or will to happen. That will have to come from MM in the locker room and from Rodgers/Woodson on the field.
One of the best posts I have seen here in a long time. Ah-friggin-men.
I hope they can do it, both coaches and players. . . the Team.
To be honest, I expect that they can, though my faith is wavering a bit that they will. Prove me wrong boys.
To quote Mr. Green. "It's TIME!"
No one yet has brought this up but I think it is significant. Capers said the Packers were double teaming Wayne the whole game. Och
When 25+% of the overall attempts are going to one player and you're attempting 55 passes, yeah he's going to catch some balls. I don't think they were "double teaming" Wayne in the sense that they had two guys covering him the entire time, they had a high Safety who wasn't going to let Wayne get deep. And it worked, he caught a few long plays, but he didn't burn us deep for a big play. No 40+ yarders.
This is bend but don't break defense. I know people haaaaate that, but when you can't have a smothering '85 Bears defense, you have to work with what you have. The point of this defense is to force other teams to sustain long, slow drives that eat up the clock. 3 and out every time is the goal, but that's not a realistic goal so you have to limit the big plays and don't let the game turn into a shootout. They want the other team to try and drive down the field with lots of short/intermediate, quick passing and not allow them to run (or at least not make running worth it) or drop back and toss it deep. We have been good this year at not allowing deep plays, 2 40+ yard passing plays (tied-9th best in the NFL) and that's because we're getting after the QB when they do anything but quick passes (18 sacks, 1st in the NFL). Yes people hate that we have given up so many yards overall, but that stats absolutely means nothing. Let the other team throw for 500 yards, that means nothing if they're not scoring a ton of points to show for it. The Packers are allowing 22 points/game, that's not THAT bad, it's not ideal, but not bad.
The issue is not the defense, I don't have a huge problem with their play. But when you play that style of defense where the other team is having long slow drives, that means your OFFENSE has to score quickly and often. That is the part that has been the let down. The defense is playing the game it's designed to play, but the other half is the offense doing their part. If they're not doing their part, which they aren't, then the whole system blows up and you end up with tight games.
I don't think they care if they allow 21 or 24 or 28 points/game as long as the offense is doing what they're supposed to do and are scoring 30+ per game. If they offense is only averaging 22 points/game, which they are, then your bend/don't break defense that is okay with allowing 22 points is screwed. Don't complain about Capers or DJ Smith or Sam Shields, complain about the offense because they're screwing up the machine.
This is bend but don't break defense. I know people haaaaate that, but when you can't have a smothering '85 Bears defense, you have to work with what you have. The point of this defense is to force other teams to sustain long, slow drives that eat up the clock. 3 and out every time is the goal, but that's not a realistic goal so you have to limit the big plays and don't let the game turn into a shootout. They want the other team to try and drive down the field with lots of short/intermediate, quick passing and not allow them to run (or at least not make running worth it) or drop back and toss it deep. We have been good this year at not allowing deep plays, 2 40+ yard passing plays (tied-9th best in the NFL) and that's because we're getting after the QB when they do anything but quick passes (18 sacks, 1st in the NFL). Yes people hate that we have given up so many yards overall, but that stats absolutely means nothing. Let the other team throw for 500 yards, that means nothing if they're not scoring a ton of points to show for it. The Packers are allowing 22 points/game, that's not THAT bad, it's not ideal, but not bad.
The issue is not the defense, I don't have a huge problem with their play. But when you play that style of defense where the other team is having long slow drives, that means your OFFENSE has to score quickly and often. That is the part that has been the let down. The defense is playing the game it's designed to play, but the other half is the offense doing their part. If they're not doing their part, which they aren't, then the whole system blows up and you end up with tight games.
I don't think they care if they allow 21 or 24 or 28 points/game as long as the offense is doing what they're supposed to do and are scoring 30+ per game. If they offense is only averaging 22 points/game, which they are, then your bend/don't break defense that is okay with allowing 22 points is screwed. Don't complain about Capers or DJ Smith or Sam Shields, complain about the offense because they're screwing up the machine.
SCORE SOME POINTS!!!
some sustained offensive drive wouldn't hurt either, the three and outs hurt our big men on the dline the most.
That being said... I'd like to see some more hurry up offense geared toward lots of short, quick strikes geared toward moving the ball. You can work fast, and still eat up clock and give your defense a rest. Just sustain some drives.
That being said... I'd like to see some more hurry up offense geared toward lots of short, quick strikes geared toward moving the ball. You can work fast, and still eat up clock and give your defense a rest. Just sustain some drives.
I fail to see how a bigger boat is going to help the defense, Boris.
@El-Ka-Bong
DL tired with 137 plays and Raji gone.
NEP has sped up their offense are are running more. I'd like to see that from McCarthy with Green and Cobb in the backfield - even a direct snap to Cobb.
DL tired with 137 plays and Raji gone.
NEP has sped up their offense are are running more. I'd like to see that from McCarthy with Green and Cobb in the backfield - even a direct snap to Cobb.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
@El-Ka-Bong
DL tired with 137 plays and Raji gone.
NEP has sped up their offense are are running more. I'd like to see that from McCarthy with Green and Cobb in the backfield - even a direct snap to Cobb.
..perfect guy to run a little Wildcat with, college QB
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
I don't think they care if they allow 21 or 24 or 28 points/game as long as the offense is doing what they're supposed to do and are scoring 30+ per game. If they offense is only averaging 22 points/game, which they are, then your bend/don't break defense that is okay with allowing 22 points is screwed. Don't complain about Capers or DJ Smith or Sam Shields, complain about the offense because they're screwing up the machine.
The offense scoed 27 last week, good enough to win. Your theory about allowing 28 points is fine....if the opponent is the Patriots or the Giants or the Falcons. It does not fit against Indy tho. There is no reason on Gods green earth for that other than the D was lousy on Sunday. Fixable? Maybe. From waht I read they've been trying to fix it for about a yr and a half. So far, same ol, same ol.
27 points should beat the Colts.
GB had 16 possesions Sunday. Indy had 15.
Yet Indy ran almost 30 more plays with 10 more minutes of possession.
The INT gave Indy a short field. The 3 and outs put the D on the field way to much in the second half.
The D should not have given up 30 to the Colts offense. They double teamed Wayne but the guy simply caught anything and everything remotely close to him (wouldn't that be nice to see from our receivers?). 90 plays is a lot to ask from a defense. And the offense did them no favors.
My biggest gripe with the D from Sunday is that they dropped 2-3 INT's. Have to take advantage of mistakes when they're provided.
Yet Indy ran almost 30 more plays with 10 more minutes of possession.
The INT gave Indy a short field. The 3 and outs put the D on the field way to much in the second half.
The D should not have given up 30 to the Colts offense. They double teamed Wayne but the guy simply caught anything and everything remotely close to him (wouldn't that be nice to see from our receivers?). 90 plays is a lot to ask from a defense. And the offense did them no favors.
My biggest gripe with the D from Sunday is that they dropped 2-3 INT's. Have to take advantage of mistakes when they're provided.
quote:Originally posted by Pikes Peak:
The offense scoed 27 last week, good enough to win. Your theory about allowing 28 points is fine....if the opponent is the Patriots or the Giants or the Falcons. It does not fit against Indy tho. There is no reason on Gods green earth for that other than the D was lousy on Sunday. Fixable? Maybe. From waht I read they've been trying to fix it for about a yr and a half. So far, same ol, same ol.
27 points should beat the Colts.
Maybe the Colts are better than you think? There was only 4 games worth of film on Luck and he didn't play NEARLY as well in those games as he did against the Pack. He was poised, accurate, and wasn't rattled...that's rare for a rookie QB. You go into the game expecting to face a rookie QB, hoping to give him enough rope to hang himself with, but that's not what they got. It's the same reason why Cam Newton threw for a ton of yards last year and set records, but now he looks like a true rookie QB. We got plenty of good pressure, got in his face, sacked him, but he had a heck of a game. You have to get over the "Colts are so awful" business, they're all professionals, they have talented professionals too. It wasn't a B1G team getting upset by a Div. 3 school.
I thought the D played the game they way they intended it to be. Certainly a couple of the longer plays need to be cleaned up and they need to get the run D cleaned up, but the offense needs to be scoring 30+ a game. That's what it is capable of doing. The first half they did it, 21 by halftime is great. The 2nd half they got complacent.
Some things to consider.
First 6 picks in the draft were DEF. Lots of rookies playing/contributing on defense.
From his radio show today...
Rodgers (on practice): For whatever reason, the rookies have not picked up on the importance of practice tempo.... scout team looks...."
- and this -
From his presser yesterday...
McCarthy: "We didn't have rhythm coming out of training camp, we haven't established it in the first five games. That's where we are."
Now, this could just be the QB and coach being on the same page with the message to the media, or this could be the crux of the problem with the defenses inconsistency. DEF played fairly well in 1st half and then seemed to coast in the 2nd half.
First 6 picks in the draft were DEF. Lots of rookies playing/contributing on defense.
From his radio show today...
Rodgers (on practice): For whatever reason, the rookies have not picked up on the importance of practice tempo.... scout team looks...."
- and this -
From his presser yesterday...
McCarthy: "We didn't have rhythm coming out of training camp, we haven't established it in the first five games. That's where we are."
Now, this could just be the QB and coach being on the same page with the message to the media, or this could be the crux of the problem with the defenses inconsistency. DEF played fairly well in 1st half and then seemed to coast in the 2nd half.
The defense still isn't good enough.
The rookies on defense have been a problem. With the exception of McMillian and Hayward, most of the rookies have yet to make much of an impact.
Perry has done well rushing the passer (10 total pressures), but has struggled in coverage and against the run. He seems to be in coverage a lot more than I expected him to be. 21 snaps so far and he has really struggled.
Worthy has been by far the biggest disappointment. He has done next to nothing in the pass rush even when engaged 1-on-1. His biggest problem is penalties (4 so far this year), which has been a common theme for the defense as a whole. He's having success against the run, but I'm guessing that's not why he was drafted, considering CJ Wilson has also played the run quite well the past couple years
Perry has done well rushing the passer (10 total pressures), but has struggled in coverage and against the run. He seems to be in coverage a lot more than I expected him to be. 21 snaps so far and he has really struggled.
Worthy has been by far the biggest disappointment. He has done next to nothing in the pass rush even when engaged 1-on-1. His biggest problem is penalties (4 so far this year), which has been a common theme for the defense as a whole. He's having success against the run, but I'm guessing that's not why he was drafted, considering CJ Wilson has also played the run quite well the past couple years
quote:Worthy has been by far the biggest disappointment.
I would be VERY surprised if Dom Capers thought the D is doing it's job as described by him.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
When 25+% of the overall attempts are going to one player and you're attempting 55 passes, yeah he's going to catch some balls. I don't think they were "double teaming" Wayne in the sense that they had two guys covering him the entire time, they had a high Safety who wasn't going to let Wayne get deep. And it worked, he caught a few long plays, but he didn't burn us deep for a big play. No 40+ yarders.
I sorry that does not wash with me. Wayne caught 13 pass for 212 yards for an average of 16.3 yards a catch with a long of 30.. Wayne was 60% of their passing offence. Shut Wayne down you take away 46% of the Colts Offence. He is the Colts big weapon, the way the Packers were playing him it was a bend and break defense. I sorry no one else was hurting the Packers as much as Wayne and Capers said they were double teaming him. What every the Packers were doing Capers scheme to control Wayne did not work.
But you say "shut Wayne down" like that's an easy task. He may be older, but clearly s still has talent. I was wrong in my original post, he was targeted 20 times...20! Yeah he's going to catch a lot of passes being targeted for almost have of 55 attempts. Talented QB who was poised, patient and accurate throwing 20 times to a veteran receiver who still has talent, I'm surprised he didn't catch more!