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+ Deguara made a number of key blocks tonight on productive run plays. It was almost as if they told the OGs to GTFO of the way and Deguara would slam in from a slant for a while in the third quarter until Buffalo adjusted.

- There was no straight run game because the O line sucks. Tom is light and I'm guessing plugged in last minute this week without a ton of reps He had some okay reps, but a number of bad ones, too. Everything that worked was on slants, cutbacks and motion.  When they lined up and tried to straight grind, bupkis.

+ On 50 touches (including the one Rodgers run) 35 were by Jones or Dillon. That's a pretty heavy workload, but about their only chance.

+ This is as close to a decent game we've ever seen from Amari. He had a couple of decent blocks, one good reception and even a decent return. At this point, that's about what they can hope for.

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Jones had a game! Excellent rushing and receiving, lots of YAC.
Dillon ran much better than he has the last couple or so weeks.
ARod was much better, too. Passes to Jones in the flat were crisp and accurate.
I'll even throw a bone to the TEs and WRs. They played the best they have this season. It still may not be saying much, but it was better.

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OL. The regression of this unit is shocking and totally unexpected. Mostly the same guys as the year before, and they were solid a solid-to-good group last year. Surely Turner and Patrick didn't make that big of a difference. The same for Stenavich. How could the new guy wreck them so bad in a short amount of time?

Defense. If points were awarded for shit-talking, they be leading the league by a wide margin. The problem is that their play comes nowhere close to backing it up, and it obviously doesn't do anything that contributes to a win.
Not to mention it is so stupid to talk shit when they're losing the game and have done NOTHING to stop the other teams. So I hope they like the taste of Buffalo Bill d**k, because they sucked it all night.

I'm going to single out Coco for a negative, too. His snaps for FGs tonight were shitty. C'mon, man, you have ONE job to do!
I realize there may not be a lot scouting or resources being spent looking for long snappers, but this position has been a problem for several years now. Can it be that hard to find a competent one?

Watson being lost on the first series really hurt in this game...it was obvious that he was going to be a big part of the passing game plan and AR's reaction to him getting hurt said it all.

++ Run game looked great but it comes with a disclaimer....Bills played 5 DBs the entire game no matter how many TEs we put on the field. They know they are going to score so they really don't have to play different defensive alignments to match offensive personnel.

++ I thought AR threw the ball well

++ Doubs / Toure

++ Best Bak has looked, neutralized Miller

-- Tom was physically overmatched

-- Defensive alignment ( 4 at LOS / 2 ILBers / 5 DBs) made it easy for Bills to run the ball to the right side...just by pure numbers the RB wasn't going to be touched until at least 3 yards past the LOS

-- Campbell & Walker were virtually invisible.

-- Savage was bad

I do think that if we would have played like this in every game we would have won vs. Giants / Jets / Wash.

+ Gotta give MLF credit for running the ball and sticking to it.  Sure it is pretty much all they have on offense but they did a good job

This team played hard and made it a game against possibly a Super Bowl rep from the AFC

Alexander played hard.  I don't care if he was chirping I kind of liked it from a GB defensive player

- Defense.  I had my hopes up for that side of the ball but I kind of give up thinking about it anymore.  How can there be that much investment on that side of the ball and teams just run it down their throats.

The Packers tackling? DAMN

Offensive line right now is just putrid.  They just get pushed around and can't handle teams that are physical with them.

+ running game, 12 picked it up, rookie wr's (not 9)+toure+doubs, not a boat-race final

- not a good team and not sure why, 26, 7; OL in the first half, to quote austin powers, they lost their mojo

- I feel like the bills let up on the gas in the second half is why we sniffed a chance...they pulled off the throttle (which is what WE do typically) ugh. 

- diggs is a dick, may stem back to when he was shitty with the queens, i dunno.

+++ Our running game was great against the #1 run defense, in the League. Deguara made some nice blocks for both Jones and Dillon. This game was not the blow out people thought it would be. If we tried to kick a FG instead of going for it on 4th down, and if Tonyan's TD counted, we'd be tied. A better snap and hold on the 51 yard FG attempt could have changed things, dramatically. Doubs and Toure were solid. Watson got hurt after one play, but you knew he was going to be a big part of the passing game. Rodgers accuracy was really good. His TD pass to Doubs, was perfect. Even though we lost, I felt this team played their butts off. I'll be looking for more of that. Jaire and Rasul played well.

----Quay Walker getting disqualified was inexcusable. You don't do that to your team when they needed all hands on deck. Poor flags on several plays. Most notably Tonyan's OPI and Rasul 's hands to the face call. On one of Buffalo's big plays near the end zone, Jaire was being held by the jersey. If called, it would have backed up The Bills somewhere near the 35 yard line. Our Run defense needs work. Been saying that a lot, this season. Fricking injuries and penalties are killing this team. All defenders need to tackle better.

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Positives

1. It probably won't rank in even the top 100 statistical performances of his career, but AR played very well and acted like a leader for the first time in a while. His one interception was the result of a tipped ball when the OL got manhandled, but other than that he game managed, took the running plays when they were there, and kept the game from being a blowout. When Favre was in a similar situation at times in his career (overmatched against a more talented team), he'd throw about 4 picks.

2. As FLPacker indicated the caveat is that the Bills were playing light all night no matter who was in the game, so the running game came easier, but at least they stuck with it. The problem is that you don't score in the red zone consistently unless you have a receiving threat and the Packers don't. Maybe Doubs is getting there.

3. Bakhtiari looked good.

Negatives

1. Towards the end of the 2020 season, the Packers looked like they had two elite offensive lineman they'd have for another 5-6 years. Both Bakh and Jenkins looked like top 3-4 guys at their positions. Their injuries have just killed the offensive line this year. Instead of just knowing those two will be lining up at LT and LG every week like in 2020, it's a crap shoot every week which of them will be able to go. It's almost worse than if they know they'd be gone and sticking with the same 5 every week.

2. Darnell Savage needs to be benched. If you replaced him last night with an average level NFL safety, Buffalo probably scores 7-10 points less. Missed tackles, getting turned around in coverage, etc. He also makes no plays whatsoever. In the last 25 games, he has 2 interceptions for 0 return yards. In those 25 games, he's forced 0 fumbles. In 54 career games, he's forced 2 fumbles and has 8 interceptions. He's another of Gutey's awful trade ups (he cost them two 4th round picks to move up 8 picks in the first round).

3. The Packers obviously have no downfield passing game outside of a scramble drill. Doubs made some really nice catches, but he had guys draped all over him on them because he can't separate either.

4. The NFC is wide open this year. The Packers moves this off-season resulted in them essentially giving up any chance to win the conference. Sammy Watkins was your big move to replace Adams and MVS? Even if Christian Watson was going to make a difference, he was going to need a half season or so to learn what the NFL was like. I know Adams wanted out, but hypothetically if you kept Adams and paid him the same contract he got in Las Vegas, it has a 12 million dollar cap hit this year. If you keep him, it would have come at the expense of not having Quay Walker, Christian Watson, Sammy Watkins, and one other player (let's say Rasul Douglas for cap purposes). This team is probably 5-3 right now by just having Adams instead of those 4 guys. I love those bullshit articles during training camp about how Watkins was going to have a breakout year and that he felt better than he had in years. He couldn't put up big numbers lining up next to Tyreke Hill and Travis Kelce with Mahomes for several years. What made you think he was going to put up big numbers lining up with Allan Lazard and Robert Tonyan?

5. Can they just release Sammy Watkins and let Cobb become a glorified assistant coach. Watkins never was any good and Cobb was washed up 4 years ago. At least Doubs, Toure, and Watson have a chance to get better with experience. They need as many snaps as possible going forward.

Positives

1. It probably won't rank in even the top 100 statistical performances of his career, but AR played very well and acted like a leader for the first time in a while. His one interception was the result of a tipped ball when the OL got manhandled, but other than that he game managed, took the running plays when they were there, and kept the game from being a blowout. When Favre was in a similar situation at times in his career (overmatched against a more talented team), he'd throw about 4 picks.



Always think your posts are insightful, but I can't agree on this one.  Rodgers may be a HOF Qb, but he is a piss-poor leader.  Neither he nor MLF inspire confidence when things are turning south and I think his open criticism of others without placing some more blame on himself is a team-killer.  Even Charles Woodson took him to task.

https://clutchpoints.com/packe...teammates-under-bus/

Charles calls out Rodgers

@RochNyFan posted:

Always think your posts are insightful, but I can't agree on this one.  Rodgers may be a HOF Qb, but he is a piss-poor leader.  Neither he nor MLF inspire confidence when things are turning south and I think his open criticism of others without placing some more blame on himself is a team-killer.  Even Charles Woodson took him to task.

https://clutchpoints.com/packe...teammates-under-bus/

Charles calls out Rodgers

I actually agree with you. In general Rodgers is not a good leader at all, that's why I said he acted like a leader for the first time in a while. He seemed more patient with the younger WRs and you didn't see the visible frustration and dismissiveness you saw in previous games from him.



5. Can they just release Sammy Watkins and let Cobb become a glorified assistant coach. Watkins never was any good and Cobb was washed up 4 years ago. At least Doubs, Toure, and Watson have a chance to get better with experience. They need as many snaps as possible going forward.

I agree on Watkins, he looks about as fast as full backs and slow tight ends. I disagree on Cobb. I think he has looked much more explosive this year.

-- The OL is probably one of the worst in the NFL this year.  I can't believe how many jailbreaks there were the past two weeks vs Wash and Buff when they weren't even blitzing.  The fact that teams can rush 4 and get constant pressure blows up the entire passing game.

-- Savage.  Wow.  Not much more to say then what's been said.   The whiff and dive out of bounds on Allen on the first Bills drive says it all.  He wants no part of tackling.   Put someone, anyone, in place of him.  I'm not sure the position can get any worse.

@Chongo posted:

Yeah...but my concern is once the adrenaline wears off, and the week goes on it, it could flare up and cause him issues the remainder of the season.

No doubt though he's a tough sumbitch

I was near the sideline and watched him when he was not playing. He was doing a ton of bends, stretches and moves. I don’t know if he was hurting or bothered but there was no joking around or anything like that from him.

+ I had faith that Doubs would bounce back and he looked good.

+ I also had advocated for getting Toure some playing time over playing Amari, and I stand by that. Still not sure why Amari is even still here.

+ Good return by Nixon, although it was wiped out by a penalty. This is what I want to see; someone other than Amari doing the returns!

+ It was my birthday and I am always very excited when the Packers play on my birthday.

- It was my birthday and the Packers crapped the bed.

- I don’t like AR12’s demeanor during these games. I want to see him engaging with his teammates and encouraging and driving them to be better. Instead of sulking!

- Injuries.

- Can’t believe the Queens are in first place.

- And the biggest negative of all (drum roll please) … CAN’T BELIEVE WE HAVE BLOWN TO OPPORTUNITY TO PASS THE BEARS FOR ALL-TIME NFL WINS! Sheesh!

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All we need is to win the rest of our division games to put at 6 wins, then we need 2 wins out of the Titans, Cowboys, Eagles, Rams, and Dolphins...

And then we need the Bandwagon Franchise to lose to the Bills, Cowboys, Jets, Lions, Giants, Packers, and Bears...

And then we win the division and make the Playoffs as the 4 seed.

Honestly, from the scenario above, I find it more likely that the Bandwagon Franchise will do its part more than we will do ours.

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If the above happens, that might be the best season of football since run the table, or the Cardinals "Nooooo!" season finale.

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Rodgers legs looks slow now.  Moving around the pocket he just doesn't have that escape speed he used to have.  It's now a detriment when the pocket collapses unlike it was before when he could elude defenders and roll out.

Sammy basically doing nothing out there.  1 catch for 3 yards.  I know he's a vet and probably runs correct routes but he also looks really slow out there as well.

Jones is still by far the best player on this team and it's not close.

@FLPACKER posted:

I thought the same thing and think that is partly why the game didn't get out-of-hand. AR was visibly disappointed when Watson got hurt. I think he knows that Watson's speed is something we are lacking, plus Watson scored extremely high on the wonderlic.

It's unfortunate, but it looks like he's injury prone and his slight build doesn't help when getting blown up, which is going to happen.  Well, it did.

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