Packer draft pick targets

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Originally posted by Boris:
In 2007, TT was said to be very high on Darrelle Revis. The Jets traded up 2 slots in front of Green Bay & 1 slot in front of Pittsburgh to draft Revis at #14.

I have a hard time believing TT would have drafted Justin Harrell over Darrelle Revis if Revis was available.

TT also passed on Brandon Flowers in 2008 when he traded down out of round 1 and selected Jordy Nelson.

I don't believe TT has a "set" position he drafts for. He simply takes the BPA that fits the Green Bay Packers and their philosophy. That's why it's so hard to make a prediction which player he might take.

How can you factor rumors and speculation about certain players he liked into the equation though? I'm sure he did like Darrelle Revis, he was a great CB. I'm sure he liked Adrian Peterson and Ndamukong Suh also. I don't think he would have taken Harrell over Revis either, but my post was based solely on who he has drafted.

I don't think he has set positions he drafts for either, but I do think he relates certain positions to having more value in certain rounds. He had plenty of options other than Justin Harrell, options that would have filled positions of need...Dwayne Bowe, Ben Grubbs, Joe Staley, Aaron Ross, Leon Hall, etc. I think he looked at the board and said "we can get a better value on a WR or a CB later on, we won't get a better value on a DT later on and Harrell is a good value at 16." It's the same principle as why Kickers and Punters rarely get picked before round 4...you can get a Kicker later on that is just as good as that one you could take in round 3. I think he likes the value OTs and OGs represent in round 1 more than he does that of CBs or WRs. And that's not to say he wouldn't ever pick a WR or CB in round 1, just that if he has a DT and WR in round 1 that have equal value, he's going to go with the DT. And I think he uses that as a kind of framework going into the draft. Okay we need a DT, and OLB, and a Safety...there will be plenty of Safetys available in rounds 2, 3, and 4 so any Safety available at 28 will be a last resort, but there won't be great values on DTs in rounds 2, 3, and 4 so if there's a good one available at 28 we should look hard at him.

I'm not saying that is ALL there is to it, I think he puts a lot of emphasis on specific players and their attributes, I just think that's how he looks at the board. All speculation though, not much to discuss this time of year!

Here is a cool chart from Pro Football Weekly and they have it broken down by offense and defense in terms of where guys may be drafted ( by position)

http://www.profootballweekly.c...-draft-value-chart-7

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The journal say the Packers have interest in Polk washington running back

Satori link to PFW value chart has hime as a late 4th. For some reason the Packers are looking at a lot of guy projected to go in the late 4th round.

I like Polk, a better version of Brandon Jackson. Few fumbles, great as a receiver, fast. I've read, though, that he's projecting into the third round.

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
I'd be pissed if they drafted Weedon. Just my opinion, but Weedon doesn't help this team win the Super Bowl and they have too many holes to draft a backup QB in the second round.

You sound like Brett Favre in 2005. He was also wrong.

Except Favre was around 35 and Weedon is three months older that Rodgers.

Going by the PFW chart (yeah, I know) the Packers couls come away with:

Kevin Zeitler OC/OG
Shea McClellin/Bruce Irvin OLB
Billy Wynn/Jared Crick DE
Antonio Allen S
Chris Polk RB
Jake Bequette OLB
Chase Minnefield CB
Zebrie Sanders OT
Audie Cole ILB
Nicolas Jean-Baptiste DE
Austin Davis QB
Gino Gradkowski OC

That would be kind of a draftgasm.

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Originally posted by Boris:

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CB: Never in round 1

In 2007, TT was said to be very high on Darrelle Revis.

He also took Trufant with a #11 overall pick.

Polk Highlights

Guy runs with great effort.

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Originally posted by Herschel:
Going by the PFW chart (yeah, I know) the Packers couls come away with:

Kevin Zeitler OC/OG
Shea McClellin/Bruce Irvin OLB
Billy Wynn/Jared Crick DE
Antonio Allen S
Chris Polk RB
Jake Bequette OLB
Chase Minnefield CB
Zebrie Sanders OT
Audie Cole ILB
Nicolas Jean-Baptiste DE
Austin Davis QB
Gino Gradkowski OC

That would be a wonderful draft. I like Winn better than Crick. Drafting Jean-Baptiste probably means He plays more DE and Raji plays more DE.

The only change I would consider is taking Case Keenum instead of Davis if he was available. I think Keenum is better coming out of college than Harrell was. And he will likely be our #2 guy next year. Both were considered "system" QBs - meaning they were good because of the system they ran instead of being good because - well - they are good. All QBs play in a system - how could they call or run a play if the didn't? And most are more suited or use to one type of offense over another. But being a student of the game and their skills are more important than the system they run. I think Keenum will do well if given a chance in the NFL. JMO.

Seriously, I could sleep pretty well as a fan with a draft like this.

Nate Potter OT Boise State

Started all 13 games in 2011 at left tackle. Leader of the offensive line that gave up .62 sacks per game (2nd nationally), first Team All-WAC, has some durability concerns but mostly reliable. Good mid-round guy.

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JSO think the Packers might take another tackle in this years draft. More to the point they would loke to find a T/G type guy.
I think so too.

Still think -- like all Packer fans -- our #1 need by far is to improve the pass rush, and that comes best from adding an OLB, secondarily a disruptive DE. Since it appears there'll be a number of decent 3-4 OLBs and DEs available at 28, cannot imagine Thompson picking any other position -- including CB (Gilmore?) or S (likely none to even consider), and especially a C (Konz, Zeitler).

Imagine these guys absolutely gone by 28: DE's Cox, Poe, Coples, Brockers and LBs Kuechly and Ingram.

May or may not be there at 28: DE Worthy and LBs Upshaw, Hightower and C. Jones. I'm OK with Worthy. Runs a bit hot and cold, but seems like he has Cullen Jenkins-like inside rush to offer. Still, pound-for-pound, would much prefer an OLB. I think Hightower would be an excellent pick. They say he can rush from the outside. But I really don't think he'll last to 28. Upshaw is tough to figure. Seems he doesn't have the coverage skills -- much like the Steelers' James Harrison. But would add pass rush and physicality to our D. I'd take him over Worthy if he's there. Haven't read where Chandler Jones can cover either. But has good pass rush, great physical tools. If there, he's an intriguing player. Of these 4, I'd rank them (for us) Hightower, Upshaw, Worthy, Jones.

Most or all of these guys should be there at 28: DEs Reyes, Thompson, Still and LBs Branch, Perry, Lewis, Mercilus, Curry and McClellin. I don't see Thompson taking any of these three DL because none offer any pass rush -- all are primarily good stop-the-run players. Of the LBs, all have pluses and minuses. Good news is all would offer pretty good pass rush and be a great complement to Matthews. Probably just comes down to who Thompson, Capers feel best fits their scheme and team. Does seem like McClellin can do it all, reads like a perfect "Packer," but doesn't possess the innate physical skills of Branch, Perry, Lewis or Mercilus. Of those, I like Branch and Perry the best. Maybe Thompson does trade down into the early 2nd round, like he did when he took Jordy Nelson, if he feels these guys are pretty equal and would be happy with most any of them. But don't see it for another mid-to-late round pick. Betting he stays at 28, takes McClellin, Branch or Perry.

I've whittled my list of players I think they will target in round 1:

Possible Droppers:
1. LB Don'ta Hightower...Alabama
2. DE Michael Brockers...LSU

More realistic:
1. C Peter Konz...Wisconsin
2. DT Jerel Worthy...Michigan St.

Darkhorse Picks:
1. RB Doug Martin...Boise St.
2. TE Coby Fleener...Stanford

Just my guess though.

Taking Fleener 1 spot in front of the Niners would make me laugh

BLFA...

Best Lap Faller Available.

I would love Dre Kirkpatrick if he lasts.

Updated PFW value chart: http://www.profootballweekly.c...ve-draft-value-board

I'm more and more intrigue by Mike Martin out of Michigan in the 2nd or 3rd (more towards 3rd). Tough, strong fireplug with wrestling background.

Devon Still in the first-move up in the second for your OLB either Mcclelin or Lewis.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Taking Fleener 1 spot in front of the Niners would make me laugh

Taking Fleener at all would make my head spin.

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Originally posted by Henry:
I'm more and more intrigue by Mike Martin out of Michigan in the 2nd or 3rd (more towards 3rd). Tough, strong fireplug with wrestling background.

He may even go a bit lower because he's probably not quite big enough to be a NT. He might make a darned good strong-side 3-4 DE.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

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Originally posted by Boris:
Taking Fleener 1 spot in front of the Niners would make me laugh

Taking Fleener at all would make my head spin.

Even if we got him late in the 2nd round?

If Fleener's still there in the late second no real value add with this part of your post or he blew out his knee that everyone but the Packers knows about.

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Originally posted by Boris:

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

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Originally posted by Boris:
Taking Fleener 1 spot in front of the Niners would make me laugh

Taking Fleener at all would make my head spin.

Even if we got him late in the 2nd round?

Even if we take him in the 5th round. Now you know why I don't run a football team.

I heard on NFL network that Devon Still not top rated because he has short arms and can't break away from Guards and Tackles blocks.

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Originally posted by Floridarob:
Devon Still in the first-move up in the second for your OLB either Mcclelin or Lewis.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
Now you know why I don't run a football team.

Yep. This is the post that did it.

It took you this long? I thought atterknees were supposed to be smart?

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Possible Droppers:
1. LB Don'ta Hightower...Alabama
2. DE Michael Brockers...LSU

I'd love to see either of these two guys fall to us. I've read quite a few people saying Hightower might fall to the Packers. He's a beast against the run and is a great blitzer.

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Originally posted by Herschel:

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Originally posted by Henry:
I'm more and more intrigue by Mike Martin out of Michigan in the 2nd or 3rd (more towards 3rd). Tough, strong fireplug with wrestling background.

He may even go a bit lower because he's probably not quite big enough to be a NT. He might make a darned good strong-side 3-4 DE.

That was my thinking. This guy just has solid written all over him. Reliable in a manner like Pickett has been over the years.

Good take by Packer Update on McClellin at 28: http://packerupdate.net/?p=17910

Dumb take.

"Would taking McClellin at 28 be a mistake? Not really, but in a draft that is deep in defensive linemen and outside linebackers, I just think there will be better options available at the end of round one.More importantly, there will be outside linebackers available in the second round who could be every bit as good – if not better – than McClellin. West Virginia’s Bruce Irvin, Utah State’s Bobby Wagner, Marshall’s Vinny Curry and Oklahoma’s Ronnell Lewis all have the potential to be quality starters in the National Football League"

Bruce Irvin and Curry are gone by the Packers' second round pick and Wagner and Lewis are "smaller" 4-3 guys (and Lewis is raw as heck). The draft is also not deep in defensive linemen, it's pretty shallow for big men after the top tier. In a perfect world, TT trades up from the second-rounder to nab a pass rusher but it's no guarantee a good one will be there.

It's the Clay & Shea show!

Other than clips on youtube, how many people have ever watched Shea play? Personally, I have no idea what kind of player he was in college or what kind of player he'll be in the NFL.

People said it was a reach to trade a 2nd and two 3rds for Clay Matthews, but when you see a guy that you think has the potential to make an impact and you are convinced he's a stud, you do what you have to do to get him. If Thompson takes McClellin at 28 then it's either because McClellin is a good value at that spot or he's willing to reach a little to get the guy he wants. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

I think what some draftniks miss the boat on sometimes, and I think Rodney is there, is that it doesn't matter what the consensus boards on the internet or what the gurus all say. The most important board in the Packers war room is Thompson's board. If McClellin or Andre Branch or whoever is the BPA on Thompson's board, then they're the BPA. It's not about Mayock's board or Zobel's board, it's Thompson's board. You can't generalize and make one broad big board, because every team in the NFL is unique and guys that have a lot of value for one team may not have a lot of value for another team. Mel Kiper's "source" may be from a team that truly has McClellin at a 4th round value, but the Packers may have McClellin at a 1st round value. So Kiper may be getting info that McClellin is 4th rounder and is a reach at 28, but in GB they may think they just got a huge steal.

There are some rumors that IND might want to get Fleener to go with Luck. To do that they may have to move back into the end of Rd 1 to be sure to get him. Thompson would be just the guy to make that deal to move back a few spots, get another pick, and still get McClellin, or Branch, or I guy I'm starting to like - SS, Harrison Smith.

Moving back and taking Smith, than Ted can take Lavonte David with their Rd 2 pick.

Ugh, Smith is a guy I really dislike. I probably undervalue him because of it but he reminds me of Aaron Rouse: hits like a truck, covers like one too.

this might be a good spot for this. Walsh is Bill Walsh.

“Walsh hated hearing a scout tell him a player was, for example, not a good second-rounder, but a great third-rounder,” Lombardi wrote. “He always said the only time people talk about rounds is in draft preparation and on draft day. Never during any player’s career, Walsh would vent, does anyone say a player was picked in the right round. (Starting) the day after the draft, every player is graded on his playing performance, not his selection round. Walsh only cared about what a player would be able to do for his team. He thought “round talk” was the wrong way for a scout to measure his own abilities. It was not talent evaluation, but rather round prediction.”

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Originally posted by heyward:
Other than clips on youtube, how many people have ever watched Shea play? Personally, I have no idea what kind of player he was in college or what kind of player he'll be in the NFL.

I don't feel the same love as some other fans. Not saying he's horrible (would be more than okay with him at the Packers original 2nd round pick) but people get caught up in things like "motor" and "white guy" like they do in combine numbers.

It's great he is non stop but he could pretty much be going non stop into some LT with no results.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
People said it was a reach to trade a 2nd and two 3rds for Clay Matthews, but when you see a guy that you think has the potential to make an impact and you are convinced he's a stud, you do what you have to do to get him. If Thompson takes McClellin at 28 then it's either because McClellin is a good value at that spot or he's willing to reach a little to get the guy he wants. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

I think what some draftniks miss the boat on sometimes, and I think Rodney is there, is that it doesn't matter what the consensus boards on the internet or what the gurus all say. The most important board in the Packers war room is Thompson's board. If McClellin or Andre Branch or whoever is the BPA on Thompson's board, then they're the BPA. It's not about Mayock's board or Zobel's board, it's Thompson's board. You can't generalize and make one broad big board, because every team in the NFL is unique and guys that have a lot of value for one team may not have a lot of value for another team. Mel Kiper's "source" may be from a team that truly has McClellin at a 4th round value, but the Packers may have McClellin at a 1st round value. So Kiper may be getting info that McClellin is 4th rounder and is a reach at 28, but in GB they may think they just got a huge steal.

I would also add there are probably about 4-5 GM board every other team wishes they could see. Ozzie Newsome and Uncle Ted have to be the tops. Belichek and Pats are there as well as the Steelers organization.

I guess some would include AJ Smith, I personally think he is a dolt.

Only 10 more days and we can start to talk about Uncle Ted drafting in 2013!!

Speaking of Shea.

@TyDunne
That's right. Played everywhere. RT @caplannfl don't pencil in Shea McClellin in at OLB. Some teams see him as 4-3 DE, ILB in 3-4/4-3 MLB.