@Henry posted:Damn, they obviously think guys like Swervin' Ervin and the cadre of HB/FB are going to contribute much more in the passing game or they are going scrub fishing.
I think we are rarely going to see more than 3 WR's on the field at once and a lot more 2 WR looks compared to McCarthys and even last years hybrid Shannahan offense.
Even Rodgers mentioned he expects a lot of 21 personnel this year.
The so called "dearth of talent" at the receiver position is dramatically overblown.
I'd much rather they shore up the run defense instead of worrying about getting another receiver.
Not sure what I feel about our ilb depth...but here is a quality guy available...todd davis
A full-time starting inside linebacker for Denver over the past four seasons, it was shocking to learn that the team had decided to release him on Friday. Davis, 28, has played at a near Pro Bowl level each of these past four seasons, recording a combined 427 tackles, 18 tackles for loss and 11 passes defended. Look for him to latch on with a team in the near future.
Wait, what? I thought turner made the 53, now he signed with the cowgirls...what happened?
He was cut and the Cowpies signed him?
@Sufferinginmn posted:Wait, what? I thought turner made the 53, now he signed with the cowgirls...what happened?
Getting your Maliks mixed up.
@Sufferinginmn posted:Wait, what? I thought turner made the 53, now he signed with the cowgirls...what happened?
Malik Taylor made the initial 53, Malik Turner did not.
@Boris posted:The so called "dearth of talent" at the receiver position is dramatically overblown.
I'd much rather they shore up the run defense instead of worrying about getting another receiver.
Especially given what's out there at this point. If they weren't going to shore it up during the draft, it meant they didn't deem it that important to do so.
@ammo posted:Malik Taylor made the initial 53, Malik Turner did not.
That isn't even fair...how am I supposed to keep track of that 😫 I have a hard enough time keeping track of my kids names
Well......... I hope you can remember their last name. 
A few comments about the final roster:
I think the likely assembled the best roster they could given the restrictions in place, no pre-season games, and so forth.
I think we have good players and depth at just about every position on the offense, with the exception of WR. If a significant injury occurs there, it could get u-g-l-y in a hurry. Even worse, there's not a lot of FA availability that could make a significant difference.
The front 7 positions on defense look very tenuous beyond the starters. We are hoping Lowry and Lancaster improve, and Keke to take a step up. Adams is a lot closer to "bust" than "good", but if any of them get hurt, there's nobody behind 'em.
Gary is similar to Keke, as far as taking a step up in performance, but he's still a question until he gets some playing time. But again, if he or either of the Smiths go down, there's nobody behind them. Who the hell are Ramsey and Garvin?
ILB is a big ? going into season. It would be a pleasant surprise if the new guys can play ball, and we know what Burks and Summers can do, but in any case, they have a tall order to improve significantly vs the rush.
CB and S are in good shape. Quality starters and good depth.
JMHO, others may vary.
Every other team was in the same position of evaluating without preseason. Have to think a 13-3 NFCCG participant is one of the better teams going into this season.
WR depth...
Peter King has the packers missing the playoffs behind both Minnesota and Detroit. (Which means the Bears still suck). He has a Ravens vs Buccaneers Super Bowl.
https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...nfl-fmia-peter-king/
He says the suckqueens have a superior rushing attack and the rookie wr will replace Diggs. I generally like some of his stuff, but I wonder how his past predictions have played out. I’m more optimistic than him - but of course I’m a shareholder. 😁
For us to win the North again:
1) Get lucky with injuries again
2) MVS emerge as a consistent #2 WR
3) Steinberger or Tonyan become a threat in the seam
4) Get at least average play out of RT position
5) Improvement from our interior d-line
You have Lazard, ESB, and MVS all entering that critical year- year 3. They’ve been in the locker room, they’ve learned the professional tempo, and they’ve been able to absorb the mental side of the game. They’re all talented in ways that have shown on the field, but as developmental prospects they suffered through the general inconsistencies that are common. The coaching staff sent a rather loud message in the cut downs- they think all 3 are ready to pop. What was considered a weakness suddenly could be a strength- and answers the draft questions as well. They had this in mind all along.
As for the Packers, they did nothing to help a needy receiver corps, and they return the same core on D (minus linebacker Blake Martinez) that allowed 37 points to the Niners twice in the last eight games
The crux of Peter King's argument. I'm really much more concerned about the run defense than the talent at WR.
A MLB that doesn’t get himself blocked, who can chase the play sideline to sideline, and can read a play ahead of the blocks coming is going to go a long way to solving the run defense. Kirksey is a better player, but he’s been banged up a lot. If he stays healthy they’re going to be better.
@Music City posted:You have Lazard, ESB, and MVS all entering that critical year- year 3. They’ve been in the locker room, they’ve learned the professional tempo, and they’ve been able to absorb the mental side of the game. They’re all talented in ways that have shown on the field, but as developmental prospects they suffered through the general inconsistencies that are common. The coaching staff sent a rather loud message in the cut downs- they think all 3 are ready to pop. What was considered a weakness suddenly could be a strength- and answers the draft questions as well. They had this in mind all along.
A strength?
Okay.
It's great and all that they learned the tempo but they actually have to produce. Feeling good about WR in TC isn't the same about feeling good about WRs actually producing on the field. They felt really good about Allison and his upcoming break out year in 2019.
The alternate message is the guys they cut stink and this is all they've got outside of Adams. Jones is more proven as a pass catcher than MVS. There's tape on Lazard now and ESB is coming back from an injury. They have their work cut out for them.
My guess is they are "good enough" and Adams makes them more than acceptable. Gork loaded up on players for Mayo's scheme, which makes total sense. It's likely the reason why Lazard, MVS and ESB are good enough. As other sage minds have noted, WR in this scheme are just as responsible for blocking as they are catching the ball. All of those guys are big dudes. I think the WRB and TEHB positions are a bigger factor than thinking the WR corp is going to "pop".
There's an inherent risk but you can't fill all your holes.
@Music City posted:The coaching staff sent a rather loud message in the cut downs- they think all 3 are ready to pop.
Except there really wasn't a lot of significant competition aside from a bunch of undrafted FAs. They brought in one veteran to compete, and he opted out. So really, the Packers are just going with what they had on the roster already on MVS, EQ and the Lazard King.
The WR corps is Gutterguts' "We do what we do." Let's see how it plays out...
@PA green & gold posted:Peter King has the packers missing the playoffs behind both Minnesota and Detroit. (Which means the Bears still suck). He has a Ravens vs Buccaneers Super Bowl.
If given the chance, Peter KIng would blow Lamar Jackson on national TV.
Per Rob D:
More on new Packers CB Parry Nickerson. He was a sixth round of the Jets in 2018. As a rookie, he played in 16 games with two starts for the Jets, who then traded him to Seattle last August. He spent part of last season on the practice squads of the Seahawks and Jaguars before being promoted to the Jaguars' active roster and playing in four games
@Timmy! posted:If given the chance, Peter KIng would blow Lamar Jackson on national TV.
PPV for charity
@Timmy! posted:If given the chance, Peter KIng would blow Lamar Jackson on national TV.
Much like the SB Halftime Show, I would not watch.
@packerboi posted:Per Rob D:
More on new Packers CB Parry Nickerson. He was a sixth round of the Jets in 2018. As a rookie, he played in 16 games with two starts for the Jets, who then traded him to Seattle last August. He spent part of last season on the practice squads of the Seahawks and Jaguars before being promoted to the Jaguars' active roster and playing in four games
Is he by chance a relative of the great Hardy Nickerson?
@michiganjoe posted:As for the Packers, they did nothing to help a needy receiver corps, and they return the same core on D (minus linebacker Blake Martinez) that allowed 37 points to the Niners twice in the last eight games
The crux of Peter King's argument. I'm really much more concerned about the run defense than the talent at WR.
Agree. You can adjust your offense to hide a lack of talent at WR and you have a HOF QB to do it. Man, you can't hide from a lack of run defense. Teams saw that 49ers tape from last year so Pettine has to know every team is going to try and run it down their throats. That's what will limit this team in 2020, not the lack of WRs.
Yup, remember that was a third string NFL back who lit us up for 200+ yards.
I don't think the WR talent is nearly as bad as many of the national writers apparently do. Rush defense against the Niners was bad enough to produce speculation about Pettine losing his job.
Not every offense is capable of running the way SF ran it. GB was a horrible matchup for their offense.
I'll play Gutey's Advocate here and say while they didn't add talent to the WR corps, their plan is clearly to run it more and run it more with power, not finesse. If there is one thing you can say all the non-Adams WR's do well, it's block. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Essentially they are good enough for what's being asked. That's fine. We should also note the resources being used to transition to Mayo's style of offense. I agree with being more concerned about the run defense than the WR.
There's no need to go overboard trying to defend or bash this WR corp. They are what they are. I think we could see some good things from the entire offense in year 2 but that would be more of a pleasant surprise in regards to anyone not named Adams. I think Lazard will continue to grow but I don't think he's going to explode onto the scene. It's not a knock, just reality of a guy who now has tape. ESB already showed good stuff but he's coming back from an injury. MVS, anyone's guess.
My hope for year 2, offensive consistency. 13-3 with some of the ugliest offensive performances I've seen in a long time. 13-3 or even 10-6 isn't going to happen if that kind of funny car approach continues. I'll take a consistent grinding run game, short pass offense over the white knuckle offense of last year.
ILB position opposite of Kirksey sucks, again. I'm more concerned with DT position opposite of Clark. Gary better explode this years so Pettine can rotate Z and P around the line to make up for that gap.
Again, you can't plug all your metaphorical orifices.
@Henry posted:I'm more concerned with DT position opposite of Clark.
Damon "snacks" Harrison confirmed via Twitter that the Packers made him an offer already, he hasn't decided IF he is going to play.
Time for Packer Nation to channel their click-for-cans fervor and bombard his twitter timeline with cheesy offers he simply cannot refuse.
Dude's nickname is Snacks for cripes sakes- there's no place else on this planet that's a better fit than WI
@Henry posted:I'll take a consistent grinding run game, short pass offense over the white knuckle offense of last year.
Haven't we had a "white knuckle" offense for the last 27 years?
@Henry posted:My hope for year 2, offensive consistency.
We saw the Packers offense kicking ass...in spurts. So we know they can do it...now they need to do it consistently and I'd guess that by the bye, they should look smoother for all 4 quarters instead of the "grab a lead and hang on for dear life" stuff we saw in 2019
vs vikes, GB rolled out to a 21-0 lead, hung on for 21-16 win
vs Seattle, GB rolled out to a 21-3 lead, hung on for 28-23 win
I still think the NFCCG was a bit of a fluke. Rodgers fumbled twice (one for a turnover, the other killed a drive) and also threw an interception. After that the score was 27-0.
Not saying we don't have issues with run defense, but we didn't do ourselves any favors in that game with turnovers. Momentum is huge in games and we had none in that one.
The game would have been much closer if we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot. Though I still suspect we would have lost and got run on.
@PA green & gold posted:Peter King has the packers missing the playoffs behind both Minnesota and Detroit. (Which means the Bears still suck). He has a Ravens vs Buccaneers Super Bowl.
https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...nfl-fmia-peter-king/He says the suckqueens have a superior rushing attack and the rookie wr will replace Diggs. I generally like some of his stuff, but I wonder how his past predictions have played out. I’m more optimistic than him - but of course I’m a shareholder. 😁
At the top of Peter King's resume is the name, Carnell Lake.
NEXT!
GO SNACKS GO!!!
