And from Rob Demovsky:

Mike McCarthy will study Packers' injury problems once again

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Fed up with the injuries that plagued his team, Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy decided to do something drastic.

No, this wasn’t McCarthy’s response last week when he summarized the 2016 season in his annual wrap-up news conference.

This was three years ago, when after a 2013 season in which the Packers had 15 players on injured reserve and used 30 different players on offense, 30 different players on defense and 58 on special teams.

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According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Packers ruled out players 49 times this past season on their injury reports. That was the third most in the NFL behind the Steelers (61) and Colts (56). It was more than the Packers had the two previous seasons combined (17 in 2015 and 20 in 2014).

http://www.espn.com/blog/green...-problems-once-again

Paid company spokesman takes to media with concern about team not letting said company give sales presentation. 

Michaels said in his radio show that the Packers have an inordinate amount of shoulder injuries compared to the rest of the league. I remember back when Woodson was here, he shopped around equipment providers to find the smallest/lightest pads the team would allow him to wear. IIRC, he wanted them small and light to maximize his speed and range of motion.

Like shoes players wear, I believe there are rules prohibiting them from wearing any other brand then the one the league contracts with. Does that apply to equipment as well? Is that unique only to GB ? It sounds like Billik allowed players to choose what they wanted. Maybe the Packers don't give the players that lee way....but I can't see why they wouldn't.

I first noticed shoulder pads getting smaller with Aaron Kampman.  You could see why it worked for him:  Those small pads give blockers a smaller target and less to grab onto.

You see it with thigh pads too:  they are tiny compared to the old days.  I mean, should a football player ever really miss time from bruised muscle on his thigh like Morgan Burnett almost did?

They don't even wear cups anymore, and the knee pads are kind of nonexistent, too.  I'd be willing to bet those are player preferences.

If Mike really wants to do something about it maybe he could test to see if less padding really makes a difference on speed.  Just a thought.

Around 2012 skill players had taken the knee pads completely out of the pants and had the end of the pants above the knees, wearing then like bicycle shorts - ala Blair Keil.  Then the knee started requiring knee pads and now they're back in the pants but are half the size they once were and most skill players still wear them above the knee.  It's odd but it must be a think because it's pretty universal.

And then there is Michael Bennett's HS LaCrosse team shoulder pads:

Aaron vs Ed Too Tall Jones

Look at Woodson's. You can barely tell he's wearing any..

Are we still talking about cups?  Asking for a friend.

No thigh pads either on Woodson.  First noticed that trend on Donald Driver. And butt pads are long gone.  Competitive edge and all that.  Covering your knees is for pussies.

When did football players ever wear cups?  

packerboi posted:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Packers ruled out players 49 times this past season on their injury reports. That was the third most in the NFL behind the Steelers (61) and Colts (56).

Amazingly, two teams that made their Conference Championship games. How'd they do that with all those missed games? I guess the healthy players stepped up, because we know it wasn't coaching.

Or, maybe it was all Rodgers and he's X4 better than anyone thinks!

Dr.-Ka-Bong posted:

When did football players ever wear cups?  

Too Tall is wearing one in that photo.

Dr.-Ka-Bong posted:

When did football players ever wear cups?  

This dude probably he wishes he had:

When McGinn posts his "Bigger pads have gooder impact" article this weekend I hope he mentions AJ Hawk wearing three cups. Should be another fun read. 

Maybe pistol is on to something, considering the rash of injuries and players unable to procreate, the NFL should start to force them to wear cups.  He could be in charge of visual inspections to make sure no one is trying to cheat the system.  

ChilliJon posted:

When McGinn posts his "Bigger pads have gooder impact" article this weekend I hope he mentions AJ Hawk wearing three cups. Should be another fun read. 

BK has an autographed one

Dr.-Ka-Bong posted:

Maybe pistol is on to something, considering the rash of injuries and players unable to procreate, the NFL should start to force them to wear cups.  He could be in charge of visual inspections to make sure no one is trying to cheat the system.  

i think this guy is already on those inspections.

packerboi posted:

Dr.-Ka-Bong posted:

When did football players ever wear cups?  

This dude probably he wishes he had:

This former soccer goalie says I got hit in the nuts harder than that in warm-ups....for fun.

...and I still sired.

X4 sure collects an interesting bunch of people.

Pistol GB posted:

I first noticed shoulder pads getting smaller with Aaron Kampman.  You could see why it worked for him:  Those small pads give blockers a smaller target and less to grab onto.

I thought Ed McCaffrey did it before Kampman:

Ed makes a good mustard

Was playing baseball in the court as a youngling and it was a perfect day for a game because Mr Motta had his RV parked in his driveway which made the entire left side fair game. So I tried to track down a dead pull tracer, just missed it, the ball (hardball) hit the curb at the exact perfect angle and rocketed back directly into the marble bag. I was down for 15 minutes. I think my ankles went numb. Mr Motta didn't even come out to check on me. 

He was probably busy.

But true story.  I played WR/CB in HS and started my freshman year wearing all the pads.  I felt the cup was rubbing too much and that it was kind of constricting full movement in practice drills, etc.  So I took it out and felt better.  Then in a game later that year I got tackled on top of another guy in such a way that my thing got crushed right across the top cross bar of his facemask.  I thought it might have pinched it in half or broke it.  So I ran straight back to the locker room to check half way through the first quarter.  Coach was pissed and asked what happened when I got back.  Half the team and probably the first 5 rows of people behind the bench heard my explanation and burst into laughter.  Good times.

Tried a cup one damn time and the edges damn near impaled my thighs...much better to take it in the nuts once and awhile.

...wait, did that sound right?

It's absolutely worth the trade off to lose the cup and chance it unless you spent a lot of time behind the dish. 

You guys have never felt pain until you have had a cow swish her tail and hit you right on the lower tip of your nut.  I would bet Henry knows what I'm talking about. 

No one wore a cup on my HS team.  Never thought about it.  We had all the other ungodly pads placed in the girdle...but no cup.

Blair Kiel posted:

Tried a cup one damn time and the edges damn near impaled my thighs...much better to take it in the nuts once and awhile.

...wait, did that sound right?

I had the same thought about cups when I was in contact Karate. It restricted movement in a way that impaled my thighs. So got a kids size. Took a strong kick to that area. It was so strong it broke the cup and bruised the whole area. I still was in great pain for some time and the instructor had to pick me up and sorta helped the nuts drop back down. I am still not sure how that works but it did. Anyway I think  that I am a smaller fella (down there)  to this very day because of it. Anyway that's what I tell my wife.

ammo posted:

You guys have never felt pain until you have had a cow swish her tail and hit you right on the lower tip of your nut.  I would bet Henry knows what I'm talking about. 

That's an easy fix.....don't go out with cows.

ammo posted:

You guys have never felt pain until you have had a cow swish her tail and hit you right on the lower tip of your nut.  I would bet Henry knows what I'm talking about. 

Confirmed.  Of course there are several interesting ways to take a nut shot on a farm.  

Ouch, right in the nuts? I bet it was hours before you tried to mount her again.

My friend played pee wee hockey in the Twin Cities.  12 years old.  Watches the goalie take a blazing slap shot right to the cup.  Cup split in two and said goalie ended up losing a manberry.  You gotta think the cup actually made it worse.  

Goalline posted:

Ouch, right in the nuts? I bet it was hours before you tried to mount her again.

Only if you're a quitter.

"Confirmed.  Of course there are several interesting ways to take a nut shot on a farm.  "

Correct. For instance, cows don't lose the instinct to gore after their horns are removed. At age 12 I got lifted several feet off the ground on a testicular cushion. My feeling afterward was that if she'd had horns it would at least have been a mercifully quick ending.

On Topic: Bill Michaels thinks the Packers have an inordinate number of shoulder injuries? What is that number? What is the average? Has anyone with professional competence (Physiologist, physician, statistician) weighed in on the question?

Right now it seems to be the opinion of a wag and a salesman.

Henry posted:

ammo posted:

You guys have never felt pain until you have had a cow swish her tail and hit you right on the lower tip of your nut.  I would bet Henry knows what I'm talking about. 

Confirmed.  Of course there are several interesting ways to take a nut shot die on a farm.  

I know farms well enough to be mildly amazed that more people don't die horrible b movie deaths on farms.  

Henry posted:

Goalline posted:

Ouch, right in the nuts? I bet it was hours before you tried to mount her again.

Only if you're a quitter.

But, Daisy can be such a bitch.

Did not realize how much ol' Ed looked like Jordy in a helmet. #sneakyfast

Only real heave to the berries I took was in middle school during recess one day. Kid throws a waterlogged nerf football 50 yards and buries it in the manger.  I think my ears were ringing.

Is this not the railroad forum?