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Originally posted by Boris:
I also think we have a lot of underlying issues regarding this disease. Certain forces or people in power don't want a cure to cancer. Reason? There is no money in the cure. The money is in the treatment (Chemo, radiation, etc.). Follow the money.

Do you have any facts to support this statement? Which forces? What people in power? Any names?

By the way I like breasts too!

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Originally posted by Pikes Peak:
Which forces? What people in power? Any names?

The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, and Colonel Sanders before he went tits up.

Yup, when you dig deep the Rothschilds are always in the thick of things...

Guys, we rehash this "pink" issue every year with little new said. Can we agree on a couple of things and then be done with it?

1. Cancer sucks big-time. It shouldn't happen to anyone.
2. Almost all of us know someone affected by breast cancer or someone who has died, and it's a terrible thing to go through.
3. Not enough of the money collected by the NFL or Komann goes toward research. Most of it goes to marketing, and that sucks too.
4. The pink color gets intrusive during the whole month of October.
5. The NFL could be helping other cancer research organizations in addition to/instead of only breast cancer.

Does that about cover it?

tets

This is the first year I remember whole high school teams decked in pink. All the while the NEA keeps yammering for more money.

"Do it for the kids" except when prioritizing where money is spent. Like on more administrators, more committees, more consultants, more junkets, more fancy buildings, and more feelgood projects because everyone knows money grows on trees. And unicorns and fairy dust do exist.

Wash some more cars, kids. There's not enough money to go around. Greedy bastards keep increasing our budgets but not by much. Free breakfasts! Hip hip hooray!

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Originally posted by Boris:

Look back at history....

We've found cures for polio, chicken pox, etc. Numerous catastrophic diseases

Why can't they find a cure for cancer?

There's no money in the cure. The money is in the treatment. So we have all these ways to treat it but not cure it. Follow the money. If Satori is so inclined he may be able to chime in here.

/off soapbox

Respectfully, I disagree. I'm a scientist working in R&D in the pharmaceutical industry (previously discovery research for oncology, now clinical development for immunology), and I can tell you that there are a TON of brilliant, hard-working people trying to cure cancer, and a TON of money being spent to try to do it. Again, with respect, I am not trying to be combative, but in my opinion the theory of "the only reason cancer is not cured is because there's no profit in it" is an empty conspiracy theory. For those interested in learning more about this horrible disease and the history of trying to cure it, I recommend Siddhartha Mukherjee's book Emperor of Maladies (I have no connection to the book or author that would be a conflict of interest).

Usually I steer clear of political/social issue types of discussions here on X4, but given my background I felt I could not in this case. Boris, I hope this does not jeopardize your weekly advice on my fantasy football lineups, which is much appreciated.

I feel compelled to chime in here a bit. Full disclosure...I work at a cancer center, but not in a clinical or research capacity, more of an administrative position. I think we've probably not done a good job of education on the fact that "cancer" is actually hundreds of diseases. Forms of colon or breast cancer may be as far apart in similarity as polio and chicken pox. There will never be one, miracle cure. That's what has made this fight particularly difficult.

I'll throw my overall two cents in.
The cure for cancer is to stop poisoning the very planet we live on.
That ain't happening so there will be no cure. All we can do is treat.

Hippocrates is credited with being the first to distinguish between benign and malignant tumors.

http://www.brandsworld.com.sg/main.aspx?sid=52

Were the ancient Greeks poisoning the Earth too?

Nah, but they did have to deal with Medusa, the Kracken, and a host of other eco-threats the gods hurled at them!

Let's keep this on topic.

agreed

We must be responsible for cancer, thanks for the input

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Originally posted by PackLandVA:
And I'm tired of hearing about her or anything on the radio from her!

She puts on a heck of a concert though.

Reminds me of Russell Wilson's wife when he was drafted:

http://www.rightentertainment.com/?p=2790

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Originally posted by :
I'm tired of seeing it... ribbons, shoes, wrist bands, towels. The list goes on. I'm not unsympathetic to breast cancer, I'm just tired of seeing the hideous pink plastered all over the place.

At some point shouldn't all this money being generated actually, you know, cure something?

My niece is trying to keep a good sense of humor about it.
The latest T-shirt:
"Yes, they're fake. The real ones tried to kill me."

I believe a great attitude will help immensely! Good for her!!

Curley Lambeau was a belgian. Wait! this belongs in the racism forum.

You need to check out this article. As someone who has lost her first husband to lung cancer and who's second husband is now battling brain cancer, this is very moving.

Also check out just how much of your $1 donation to the American Cancer Society aslo goes anything that resembles "scientific".

Just my humble opinion.....

http://butterbeliever.com/2011...-komen-for-the-cure/

Some would find your linked article mean. I applaud it.

NFL to be using pink flags this weekend

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/...index.html?hpt=hp_t3

The breast cancer awareness people sure do have good PR. I can imagine how devastating it must be, but there are other forms of cancer that claim significantly more lives.

Was at the Packers/Rams game this last weekend.

Packers were wearing a few pink items (shoes, armbands, gloves). I didn't see so much as a pink hand towel on the Rams sidelines.

That's right, the Rams sent Breast Cancer a big FU

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Originally posted by St. Hoolligan:
You need to check out this article. As someone who has lost her first husband to lung cancer and who's second husband is now battling brain cancer, this is very moving.

Also check out just how much of your $1 donation to the American Cancer Society aslo goes anything that resembles "scientific".

Just my humble opinion.....

http://butterbeliever.com/2011...-komen-for-the-cure/

My condolences on the loss of your first husband, and good wishes to you and your second husband.

You linked to a very incisive blog post about Komen. The writer did her homework and unmasked SGK as anything but a "nonprofit." Amazingly, few people do any research before giving to charity, but are well-advised to do so.

Komen isn't the only offender here. I wonder how much the NFL is pocketing off of this month-long promotion? Anyone think Goodell is doing this strictly from the kindness of his heart?

I was hoping this thread would Titanic quietly. Since my last post, the sister of one of the ladies i mentioned upthread.....she knew it was likely as she carried the gene, as does one of the original womans 3 daughters (the only one who has undergone a gene survey so far). Mrs GusBob underwent the genetic testing and fortunately does not carry the specific gene. A huge relief as we have 2 daughters, although of course it does not eliminate the chance they get breast cancer. If the color pink bothers you, I wont bother you with the gory details of what a young woman who is in the gene bracket has to go through.
Genetic testing is complicated, expensive and a fairly recent development in the management of this disease.I am gonna stand by original position anything which raises money and awareness for breast cancer is important. In short, vital.

As someone who has watched a good friend die of breast cancer and then the other cancers that piled on (brain, bone), I second Gus' opinion that any money for research is vital. I doubt that people would give even 35 cents out of the $10 towel to breast cancer research if the NFL didn't promote it.

Do your homework. There are several other highly rated breast cancer organizations, as well as several rated far worse than Komann. Give to one of the ones you CAN support. I prefer to think of the pink as a reminder to people to give, not necessarily to Komann, but to a breast cancer organization you can support.

Pink penalty flags coming soon thanks to some crumb snatcher in Jersey.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/...-183137397--nfl.html

Same thing as last year.

This thread again.

I have the same thoughts this year as I did last year.

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Where is all of this hype for colon cancer awareness? (wear brown)... or prostate cancer? (wear black/brown/nuts)... or testicular cancer? (wear creamy white).

Nothing fights Breast Cancer as well as the Smith & Wesson Awareness M&P9!

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Originally posted by Deadhead Archer:
That's right, the Rams sent Breast Cancer a big FU

Not exactly.

3 posts up from Deadhead

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Originally posted by St. Hoolligan:
Just my humble opinion.....

http://butterbeliever.com/2011...-komen-for-the-cure/

Here's another opinion

I used to work for a pharmaceutical company, so I'm aware of putting the money before the "cure".

Satori is a person that has an interesting take on this subject too.

Cancer can be lessened. Eat less processed food, red meat, preservatives, medicines and eat a 1/3 less.

America's cancer rate has went up despite millions poured into research. It's our lifestyles but not one, lazy fatass American wants to look in the mirror. Yes, good and fit people get cancer, just as people die from anything.

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Obviously you have not been touched by a friend or loved one who has cancer or you wouldn't make such a dumb post. This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on timesfour.

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Originally posted by NumberThree:
Same thing as last year.

This thread again.

I have the same thoughts this year as I did last year.

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Where is all of this hype for colon cancer awareness? (wear brown)... or prostate cancer? (wear black/brown/nuts)... or testicular cancer? (wear creamy white).

I have been touched by a friend and loved one who died of bone cancer and another from Thyroid Cancer. The purpose of the post is to show that, as others have already mentioned, breast cancer is treated differently than of other types of cancer and seems to be more about funding the events and awareness than actually funding a cure. From very personal experience, it can make those with something other than breast cancer feel forgotten.

As a person who is currently dealing with cancer I might be a little thin skinned about the subject. I mention this not for any sympothy but to get you or anybody else to understand that your posts are being read and that they can be misunderstood. To me anytime you mention cancer weather it is Breast, Prostrate or any other carcer it should make you think of a person who has cancer. As was posted in another post I think the NFL is making it purely financial and about getting more female fans. The most important thing is they are mentioning cancer at all.
I am also turly sorry to hear about you friend as I to have Bone Marrow cancer.

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Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Cancer can be lessened. Eat less processed food, red meat, preservatives, medicines and eat a 1/3 less.

America's cancer rate has went up despite millions poured into research. It's our lifestyles but not one, lazy fatass American wants to look in the mirror. Yes, good and fit people get cancer, just as people die from anything.

Actually, cancer incidence in the U.S. has been on a downward trend and survival on an upward trend for the past 10 years. Following from the American Cancer Society's annual report:

Abstract
Each year, the American Cancer Society estimates the numbers of new cancer cases and deaths expected in the
United States in the current year and compiles the most recent data on cancer incidence, mortality, and survival
based on incidence data from the National Cancer Institute, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and
the North American Association of Central Cancer Registries and mortality data from the National Center for Health
Statistics. A total of 1,638,910 new cancer cases and 577,190 deaths from cancer are projected to occur in the
United States in 2012. During the most recent 5 years for which there are data (2004-2008), overall cancer incidence
rates declined slightly in men (by 0.6% per year) and were stable in women, while cancer death rates
decreased by 1.8% per year in men and by 1.6% per year in women. Over the past 10 years of available data (1999-
2008), cancer death rates have declined by more than 1% per year in men and women of every racial/ethnic group
with the exception of American Indians/Alaska Natives, among whom rates have remained stable. The most rapid
declines in death rates occurred among African American and Hispanic men (2.4% and 2.3% per year, respectively).
Death rates continue to decline for all 4 major cancer sites (lung, colorectum, breast, and prostate), with lung cancer
accounting for almost 40% of the total decline in men and breast cancer accounting for 34% of the total decline
in women. The reduction in overall cancer death rates since 1990 in men and 1991 in women translates to the
avoidance of about 1,024,400 deaths from cancer. Further progress can be accelerated by applying existing cancer
control knowledge across all segments of the population, with an emphasis on those groups in the lowest socioeconomic
bracket. CA Cancer J Clin 2012;62:10–29. VC 2012 American Cancer Society.

So full disclosure: I am a medical oncologist. Counting college, medical school, residency and fellowship training I spent 14 years after high school before I was qualified to become a cancer specialist. Or, according to Boris, racked up $250,000 in debt so that I could profit off of people with cancer. I also direct a cancer research program which I guess makes me even more despicable.

I wish curing cancer was as easy as eating the right foods or taking the right vitamins. I wish cancer were as biologically simple as a virus like polio or even HIV. The reality is that the puzzle that is cancer (or in reality the hundreds of diverse bioligic entities that we lump under this heading) is far more complex than any of us had ever hoped it would be.

Having said that, we cure cancer every day. And for many of my patients I think I often (I wish always) can improve and extend their lives, sometimes quite dramatically. I believe that the tools that evil modern medicine has given me really can make a difference for many. And as far as the "pink" campaign is concerned, we have never had more effective treatment options for women with breast cancer than we have today.

So I won't apologize for the field I chose. I have dedicated my life to serving my patients with cancer. They are brave and scared and angry and hopeful and they have taught me so much about how precious life is. We celebrate our victories and mourn our losses together. We rejoice when a new treatment works and desperately hope that the next one will work when it fails. I work with amazing, bright, dedicated doctors and nurses who every day devote themselves to doing everything they can to fight this disease.

So I too get a little tired of pink. But more than anything, it reminds me to celebrate the lives of the over 200,000 women a year who will get the terrible news they have breast cancer. And to be thankful that the vast majority of them will beat it.

Oh and to be clear: I totally agree with DeepChicago's advice about diet and weight. Definitely good to reduce risk of cancer. But in spite of how sick we are becoming as a nation, more people are surviving cancer. Imagine how much better the stats would be if more people actually were proactive about improving their own health.