Please listen Ted

He did have Cedric Benson to start the season. More help on the o-line would make more sense.

rb is least of our worries. handing out the dum dum threads like its Halloween

How can rb be 'the least of our worries'? Did you not see gore and company close out the game for sf?

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Originally posted by noiropus:
How can rb be 'the least of our worries'? Did you not see gore and company close out the game for sf?

Yeah, and stopping that should be the #1 priority.

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Originally posted by noiropus:
How can rb be 'the least of our worries'? Did you not see gore and company close out the game for sf?

mm will never commit to running enough especially without the horses up front. Solidify the ol/dl/lb's before worrying about drafting a "top tier" running back in the draft.

Look what that top tier running back did for the Vikings.

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Originally posted by noiropus:
How can rb be 'the least of our worries'? Did you not see gore and company close out the game for sf?

Yeah, I saw Iuputi and co. opening those holes. Can we have the 9er oline?

Sure we need both run d (lb) and improved running offense. Our d was gassed by the end of the first half. Really after the td that resulted from the muffed punt.

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by noiropus:
How can rb be 'the least of our worries'? Did you not see gore and company close out the game for sf?

Yeah, I saw Iuputi and co. opening those holes. Can we have the 9er oline?

Exactly, 3 first round picks on that line, and it shows.

i'd rather have a top tier inside lb to pair up with a healthy bishop next year.

We had 2 first rounders in our oline - both on ir. and Barclay does not seem like a huge drop off from bulaga. I don't know the niner's cap position but it seems like the have a serious collection of first rounders all throughout. Partly good luck, partly as a result of many bad years

I think in order we need (and the order will depend on the health of some of our players):

1. We need a dynamic inside linebacker. We're just getting gashed by the run, and it's not only to the outside. Somebody that can tackle, maybe apply a little pressure up the middle with Raji. Bishop, Matthews and Perry are a good start on a linebacking corp, but we need an upgrade for AJ Hawk.

2. Offensive line. Again. We've spent two first rounders the last two seasons, do we do it again? Sherrod could be a good one, and if he can come back from injury, it would help a lot. Same goes for Bulaga. But we have to solidify this. Aaron was sacked 51 times this year, and he was running for his life against the Niners tonight. Drafting an every down running back won't help until we solidify the line.

3. Running back. This running back by committee works in some circumstances, but we're just too poor on third and short, and it kills too many drives. We need a back that can consistently gain between the tackles, with the speed to get outside. Harris is a nice change of pace back, Green might be better next year a season after knee surgery, but they're not every down guys. Harris isn't big enough to sustain carrying the ball 20 times a game. Sooner or later, the little guy is going to get hurt.

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Originally posted by Boneio:

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by noiropus:
How can rb be 'the least of our worries'? Did you not see gore and company close out the game for sf?

Yeah, I saw Iuputi and co. opening those holes. Can we have the 9er oline?

Exactly, 3 first round picks on that line, and it shows.

You can draft a whole pile o' $hit in the first round too.

BPA generally works best.

The longest Packer run of the season 41 yards. Number or players who had a longer run...37.

Most 20+ yard rushes by a Packer 2 (tied by Green and Rodgers). players who had more than 2...41.

Whether it's o line or rb they need to do a better job moving the ball on the ground.

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You can draft a whole pile o' $hit in the first round too.

BPA generally works best.

Exactly. No need for knee jerk reactions. If the BPA is an O-lineman, you take him and improve the offense, same with a defensive player. We don't need to mimic any team, just improve what we have and hope for a minimum of injuries.

we're not a running team for better or worse.

This team has had a great multiyear run including a Super Bowl win because TT hit it big on two first round picks that we're the 24th and 26th picks. Two potential hall of famers that late in the round is incredible. Then signing a supposedly washed up Woodson turned up another hall of famer.

He hasn't drafted poorly the last few years. He just hasn't gotten another superstar. Teams win Super Bowls by pairing 2-3 superstars with a few other very good players and making sure they don't have liabilities.

Rodgers and Matthews are still superstars but Woodson is no longer elite and we never replaced Nick Collins or Culln Jenkins. That's the difference the last two years.

The NFL is set up for parity. A team is not supposed to have 18/20 nonlosing records. We've been spoiled with Wolf and then ith TT so quickly cleaning up Sherman's mess.

It's a disappointing end o the season, but I'd rather have TT an anyone else to rely on.

Hawk needs to go.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:
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Whether it's o line or rb they need to do a better job moving the ball on the ground.

But ...but... I keep hearing the NFL is a passing league. Which is it?

I would rather Ted draft redundant olineman than focus on a RB

see this season as a reason why

Game is won at the LINE OF SCRIMMAGE.

Gb needs to find a MLB or two that can diagnose a play, attack the line of scrimmage and knock somebody the **** out every now and again.

I'm also not convinced we have found our OLB opposite CMIII. Perry looks more like a DE to me. Might be worth it to bulk his ass up and put him on the line.

Offense line, offensive line, offensive line.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
Gb needs to find a MLB or two that can diagnose a play, attack the line of scrimmage and knock somebody the **** out every now and again.

I'm also not convinced we have found our OLB opposite CMIII. Perry looks more like a DE to me. Might be worth it to bulk his ass up and put him on the line.

Offense line, offensive line, offensive line.

The nasty hitter at LB might be the only way to stop this read option stuff. Getting drilled hard might sow down these running QBs. Did Kaepernick even get hit on any if his runs? He had the cleanest jersey firva guy running for 180 I've ever seen.

Agree pakrz. Walden is a mental midget. How many times do you need to get sucked inside and forget you outside contain responsibilities? Get rid of him tomorrow.

More than ever, I see TT pucking BPA in next years draft.

I'd rather have Joe Staley, Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, etc. and their OLine coach! Any RB will have success when you have a quality OLine and a QB like Rodgers.

See that's the thing. TT is heralded for finding these undrafted guys on the street. Some of them are players (Shields comes to mind...there are others). But some of them are just guys filling a uniform and playing. I don't necessarily dislike Walden, but he's a limited football player. So are Barclay, Dr. Jennings, EDS and Van Roten for example.

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Originally posted by MichiganPacker:
This team has had a great multiyear run including a Super Bowl win because TT hit it big on two first round picks that we're the 24th and 26th picks. Two potential hall of famers that late in the round is incredible. Then signing a supposedly washed up Woodson turned up another hall of famer.

He hasn't drafted poorly the last few years. He just hasn't gotten another superstar. Teams win Super Bowls by pairing 2-3 superstars with a few other very good players and making sure they don't have liabilities.

Rodgers and Matthews are still superstars but Woodson is no longer elite and we never replaced Nick Collins or Culln Jenkins. That's the difference the last two years.

The NFL is set up for parity. A team is not supposed to have 18/20 nonlosing records. We've been spoiled with Wolf and then ith TT so quickly cleaning up Sherman's mess.

It's a disappointing end o the season, but I'd rather have TT an anyone else to rely on.

Good post.

We've got the best QB in the game. Even with Jennings likely leaving, Nelson, Jones and Cobb give us one of the best receiving corps in the NFL. Finley stepped up big time in the second half, so maybe he's back to being near the player he was before the injury?

On defense, Matthews is a stud, Raji had a great second half, we have some young guys in Perry and Worthy that I'm excited about.

Fix the offensive line, get a inside linebacker, and a running threat (not a 30 year old guy), and this team can be right back in the thick of things.

I do know that we need to get more physical as a team. I think the Packers are a fineness team for the most part, and against more physical teams, we struggle too often.

I trust Ted to get the pieces we need.

**** Ted. I want Matt Millen.

I agree. It's fine to have role players like that, but you can't have a team of role players.

The difference between San Fran and GB, aside from the OL, is the ILB's. Willis and Bowman are all over the field making plays. Willis was a terror blitzing and Bowman was always in the right spot in coverage. And both shed OL and tackle the ball carrier. Look at GBs defense, were Hawk and Jones even on the field? San Fran dominated getting to the 2nd level and making those ILBs non-factors. You can't do anything when you're ILBs are crapping their pants. Hawk is due 7.5 million in the offseason, if they agree to pay that with the level of play he's putting out, then someone deserves to be fired immediately. I know there are some who think it's knee-jerk or an overreaction to say Hawk flat out sucks, but he f'ing SUCKS!

Play calling doomed the Packers. (1) first 3 offensive plays were short sideline passes - one was to John Kuhn who couldn't catch the ball. John Kuhm runs the 100 yard dash in 1 minute and 30 seconds and is a 250 pound marshmellow. Packers never got into sync to start the game. (2) What is a rookie Ross #10 trying to catch a punt in a playoff game (and fumbled) who joined the team several weeks earlier. Why didn't Cobb start the game or play on the punt team in the first quarter? - He entered the game earlier - why not sooner? (3) Why not go for the fouth and 2 yards with nine minutes remaining in the game and down 2 touchdowns when the 49ers just drove down a tired GB defense for 93 yards and a TD? McCarthy gave the ball back to opponent by punting - the 49ers again took the ball and drove down the field for another 93 yard Packer pounding to score another TD. Duh. (4) having Driver suit up and not play was a distraction and letdown for the team regardless of the outcome of the game.

49ers had the previous week off and it showed.

Packers with a bye and playing in Lambeau are a totally different team. Dismantling or restructuring the team for next year is not required. Better team head coaching LEADERSHIP is the difference - McCarthy is not a leader but good admninistrator.

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McCarthy is not a leader but good admninistrator.

Holy ****ing dumb. Was he a leader two years ago?

It's always been offensive line, but after last year, defense became as glaring a concern.

O-line got more worse than d got better.

I love dominant offensive line play.

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I love dominant offensive line play.

Doesn't everyone?

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Why didn't Cobb start the game or play on the punt team in the first quarter? - He entered the game earlier - why not sooner?

Just a guess but I think he was still really sick and they were trying to limit his reps.

I don't think Ted reads this forum so you are SOL

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Originally posted by eddiegbay:


49ers had the previous week off and it showed.

Packers with a bye and playing in Lambeau are a totally different team.

Kinda like last year? How'd that Giants game work out?

And how many SB winning teams has Harbough coached? Two years ago MM had his team fitted for SB rings the day BEFORE the SB. He's a leader. Things need to be fixed before next year. He'll get it done.

Only 1 team gets to win the Super Bowl fellas... ONE TEAM. 31 other teams fail.

It's tough to get there. Perspective.

Got some stuff to work on... but we have a good thing going here.

This team really isn't far off. The Packers don't need a major overhaul. Some improved luck with health next year will certainly help (but the injuries alone shouldn't have kept the Packers from the Super Bowl this year. We had it just as bad in 2010).

How Ted keeps our top guys signed, and addresses some areas in need of improvement, will go a long way in determining what we do in 2013.