@DH13 posted:Anybody hear anything about Stokes and Clark's injuries?
Clark was reported as a back injury , showed him standing on the sideline and he did not look in pain.
@Goldie posted:Can we all just say, Aaron and company WOULD HAVE CRUSHED THE CHIEFS TODAY. Seriously…….Chiefs are NOT even close to what they were……and if Aaron was the QB today…..game over. Pack wins.
Aaron and company WOULD HAVE CRUSHED THE CHIEFS TODAY.
Now what?
On to the next win.
@PackLandVA posted:Aaron and company WOULD HAVE CRUSHED THE CHIEFS TODAY.
Now what?
On to the next win. 😁
I’ll add another “sort of” positive. If you told me before the season that the Packers would be 7-2 after playing that schedule with six of the nine on the road, I’d be stoked. So despite the loss, they’ve done fairly well weathering the difficult part of the schedule. Still some tough games out there, but six of the next eight are at home, plus a bye week, before closing out at DET.
@PackLandVA posted:Aaron and company WOULD HAVE CRUSHED THE CHIEFS TODAY.
Now what?
Rodgers will come back the first second he can and probably lead them to something like a 13-4 record.
But for many of us, it's going to be like cheering for the Brewers after Ryan Braun got caught lying about the steroid use. Their still the team you've cheered for decades, but it dampens your enthusiasm. A lot of guys used steroids, but when they got caught they didn't lie about it (although many did), but no one else was a big enough jackass to try to blame it on some random guy who collected the test. Braun thought he was above the rules. He didn't care if someone else got hurt if it kept his image clean.
A lot of NFL guys didn't get vaccinated. They claimed they "did their own research", a lot of people said they were idiots, but then everyone moved on. Rodgers wanted to keep his image clean, so instead of risking people calling out his logic, he decided he'd rather put the organization at risk by acting like he was vaccinated and flaunting the rules. Rodgers lied about it, put the whole organization in jeopardy of a large fine, and then lied some more about consulting with NFL doctors (and most likely about being allergic to the mRNA vaccines), and sounded like an idiot claiming he didn't take the Johnson and Johnson vaccine because of the side effects (which are still very rare and mainly in menstruating women). He thought the rules were for the little people. He still does, and if the Packers move on after this year, there will be a half dozen teams more than happy to put up with his crap because he is a generational talent playing QB.
Even if the Packers win the Super Bowl this year, it will be a much more subdued celebration than it would have for me.
The Packers have had three HOF QBs in the last 65 years. Two of them turned out to be malignant narcissists. The other acted like the person we all hope we can be.
@Goldie posted:I want stats from all our first time gamers, Bart, Lynn, Bert, Aaron and any other first timer QBs. And again I don’t do google.
First career starts:
Starr: 3/6, 63 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 87.5 Rating
Dickey: 6/20, 82 Yds, 0 TD, 3 Int, 4.6 Rating
Majkowski: 10/21, 121 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 81.6 Rating
Favre: 14/19, 210 Yds, 2 TD, 0 Int, 144.6 Rating
Rodgers: 18/22, 178 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 115.5 Rating
Love: 19/34, 190 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 69.5 Rating
@FLPACKER posted:Clark was reported as a back injury , showed him standing on the sideline and he did not look in pain.
That sucks no matter how he looked. He has a history of back issues and he's been a 1 man crew vs double teams for too long now. He's still young but has a ton of miles on him already.
@vitaflo posted:First career starts:
Starr: 3/6, 63 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 87.5 Rating
Dickey: 6/20, 82 Yds, 0 TD, 3 Int, 4.6 Rating
Majkowski: 10/21, 121 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 81.6 Rating
Favre: 14/19, 210 Yds, 2 TD, 0 Int, 144.6 Rating
Rodgers: 18/22, 178 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 115.5 Rating
Love: 19/34, 190 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 69.5 Rating
It's not the stats that bothered me with Love today and he didn't make any egregious mistakes. The interception to Adams was not a horrible throw. His worst throw was the Favrian lob to Cobb that was somehow caught.
Some eventually great QBs had rough starts because they got fooled by a defense disguising coverages or took too many risks trying to thread the needle in a tight window. Or they need to adjust to the speed of NFL DBs, or get a feel for stepping up in the pocket that you can only get from live game reps. But for Rodgers, Favre, and some of the other future stars that struggled out of the gate there were some WOW plays mixed in. You'd see them make a throw like a deep-out 30 yards downfield on a rope that only a few guys can make and see the potential. You'd see them make a throw on the run and hit a guy in the numbers downfield. There wasn't a single play like that with Love today. Every one of his completions was a direct throw to a WR with no one between them and the LOS. There were no throws where he had to fit the ball in over the LBs but in front of the safeties. As soon as he had to move his feet, his accuracy became very poor. There was nothing that I watched today and said "that's why they picked him the first round." It was all very pedestrian.
His one deep throw was a wounded duck that Cobb caught, but will probably be intercepted half the time. He struggled to hit guys on the move. His footwork just looked bad (throwing while leaning backwards). He missed easy reads on hot routes (as Aikman said - not knowing the deep middle was going to be open multiple times on all out blitzes).
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Even if the Packers win the Super Bowl this year, it will be a much more subdued celebration than it would have for me.
My reply you quoted was “tongue in cheek” at Goldie’s request.
Regarding your quote above - not for me. No one player, regardless of his actions, are bigger than the team. I’m a Packers fan first, and then fan of certain players.
If they win the SB this season, I’ll go just as nuts and be just as satisfied as every other Packers SB. It’s too bad you don’t feel the same.
Babe Parelli: 8 /27 125 yards 1 TD 1 Int 43.3 rating
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Defense came to play. And they brought some wood with them! That was as physical as I've seen them play in recent memory.
Packers had their chances to win, despite the gaffes and other poor play.
Can O' Dirt got some game action!
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I really expected Love to play better. And that's all I got to say 'bout that.
I think MLF could've had a better game plan and/or play calls. I would've liked to see another 5-10 rushes by AJ or Dillon, yet kept thinking we have some potent WRs that should be utilized. I suppose being able to sustain a few drives could've allowed for that....
OL was overachieving the first 6 weeks or so, but seems to be regressing the last 2-3 weeks. I'm hoping Daktari's expected return will stabilize that unit for the stretch run.
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Injuries. On defense. Again. How in the world those guys are hanging on... I don't know. Really hoping KC doesn't have to miss any time. Ditto for Stokes. They were both missed tonight.
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Allow me to channel my inner Al Bundy for a moment...
When I played ball in HS, the guys on 'special teams' were the ones that otherwise didn't get to play in games. And I swear, I never remember once having crap happen like only 10 guys on the field.
How the same can't exist on an NFL team is puzzling, at the least. The fact that the 'fixes' that are tried aren't even close to working is bizarre.
What I don't get is the new snapper and Bojo are obviously having a problem getting synched. So when they're not needed on the field, why aren't they working together on the sidelines? It's not like they have any other responsibilities.
Loves problem is he is being compared to nearly 30 years of Hall of Fame QB play. No 1st time starting QB will look good when compared to that.
You don’t want to be the the guy that follows “The Guy”. You’re much better off being the guy that follows the guy that followed “The Guy”.
Following?
@vitaflo posted:First career starts:
Starr: 3/6, 63 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 87.5 Rating
Dickey: 6/20, 82 Yds, 0 TD, 3 Int, 4.6 Rating
Majkowski: 10/21, 121 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 81.6 Rating
Favre: 14/19, 210 Yds, 2 TD, 0 Int, 144.6 Rating
Rodgers: 18/22, 178 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 115.5 Rating
Love: 19/34, 190 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 69.5 Rating
😳 😳 😳 😳 😳 Holy cheese………thank you. ♥️
@ammo posted:Loves problem is he is being compared to nearly 30 years of Hall of Fame QB play. No 1st time starting QB will look good when compared to that.
First career starts:
Starr: 3/6, 63 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 87.5 Rating
Dickey: 6/20, 82 Yds, 0 TD, 3 Int, 4.6 Rating
Majkowski: 10/21, 121 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 81.6 Rating
Favre: 14/19, 210 Yds, 2 TD, 0 Int, 144.6 Rating
Rodgers: 18/22, 178 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 115.5 Rating
Love: 19/34, 190 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 69.5 Rating
compare all these stats. OMGAWD………FAVRE??????
@vitaflo posted:First career starts:
Starr: 3/6, 63 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 87.5 Rating
Dickey: 6/20, 82 Yds, 0 TD, 3 Int, 4.6 Rating
Majkowski: 10/21, 121 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 81.6 Rating
Favre: 14/19, 210 Yds, 2 TD, 0 Int, 144.6 Rating
Rodgers: 18/22, 178 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 115.5 Rating
Love: 19/34, 190 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 69.5 Rating
Since people were making the comparison:
Brett Hundley: 12/25, 87 Yds, 0 TD, 1 Int, 39.9 Rating
The Packers are behind Arizona again because Rodgers is an asshole
Wrong. Adam’s is vaxd. He got Covid. If he misses Seattle game and we lose, you can make that argument
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Rodgers will come back the first second he can and probably lead them to something like a 13-4 record.
But for many of us, it's going to be like cheering for the Brewers after Ryan Braun got caught lying about the steroid use. Their still the team you've cheered for decades, but it dampens your enthusiasm. A lot of guys used steroids, but when they got caught they didn't lie about it (although many did), but no one else was a big enough jackass to try to blame it on some random guy who collected the test. Braun thought he was above the rules. He didn't care if someone else got hurt if it kept his image clean.
SNIP
The Packers have had three HOF QBs in the last 65 years. Two of them turned out to be malignant narcissists. The other acted like the person we all hope we can be.
Wrong thread
- I ran out of Suntory Hibiki whiskey
I assume "for relaxing times, make it Suntory time" is not true then?
@MichiganPacker2 posted:But for many of us, it's going to be like cheering for the Brewers after Ryan Braun got caught lying about the steroid use. Their still the team you've cheered for decades, but it dampens your enthusiasm. A lot of guys used steroids, but when they got caught they didn't lie about it (although many did), but no one else was a big enough jackass to try to blame it on some random guy who collected the test. Braun thought he was above the rules. He didn't care if someone else got hurt if it kept his image clean.
You're certainly entitled to your own opinion and feeling the way you feel, but this is an apples-to-oranges comparison IMO.
12 gained no advantage in being unvaxed. He didn't win an MVP or perform better because of it like Braun. Additionally, he was 100% transparent with the people that mattered; his bosses, the league and most likely his teammates. No on else is entitled to know that information.
@Fedya posted:- I ran out of Suntory Hibiki whiskey
I assume "for relaxing times, make it Suntory time" is not true then?
By that point, I had drained 1/3 of a bottle, so I was certainly relaxed. But had it been a revelation just as the party started as it were, then no, I certainly would not have been pleased.
Bob-uh Harris-oo is my spirit animal.
I'm interested to see AR's demeanor in his remaining press conferences .... will he be as open / candid / insightful as before....or will he be butt-hurt over media ripping him and give canned short answers?
@Goldie posted:First career starts:
Starr: 3/6, 63 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 87.5 Rating
Dickey: 6/20, 82 Yds, 0 TD, 3 Int, 4.6 Rating
Majkowski: 10/21, 121 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 81.6 Rating
Favre: 14/19, 210 Yds, 2 TD, 0 Int, 144.6 Rating
Rodgers: 18/22, 178 Yds, 1 TD, 0 Int, 115.5 Rating
Love: 19/34, 190 Yds, 1 TD, 1 Int, 69.5 Rating
compare all these stats. OMGAWD………FAVRE??????
So maybe he’ll be better than Lynn Dickey? 😀
@FLPACKER posted:I'm interested to see AR's demeanor in his remaining press conferences .... will he be as open / candid / insightful as before....or will he be butt-hurt over media ripping him and give canned short answers?
He will be his same old self. He will be filled with the satisfaction of knowing the reaction he'd get if this went down the way it did was 100% what happened.
@ammo posted:Loves problem is he is being compared to nearly 30 years of Hall of Fame QB play. No 1st time starting QB will look good when compared to that.
That is a very true and very accurate statement. Yes Love has been in the system for two years but the guy hasn't played and IMHO the only way a QB can get better is to get out there and play. The only way they can truly know if he has it is by him playing.
Positives: man the defense has been coming to play and they are getting better even with the injuries on that side of the ball.
Negatives: I don't need to mention any more about special teams that everyone has already mentioned
Honestly from the moment I saw the schedule come out I thought this game would be a L. So let's move on from this and I hope they thump the Seahawks.
I was hoping to see more from Love. He's been sitting for 18 months so I thought he should have been more ready than this. Say what you want about the play calling, being in the road, the blitzing, etc., but he's not close to being able to play and that's just not ok for a first round pick being the NFL for 18 months. Hopefully this will serve as a wake up call to him. But it probably leads to the front office begging the anti-vaxxer to come back for 2022.
By definition, yes, Love has been in the NFL for 18 months. But when the 1st year is a Covid year, with no pre-season, no mini-camps, and a very abbreviated TC, I guess I don't know if you can really compare his experience to where Rodgers for example was after 18 months.
I was hoping he'd look better, especially to start the game. He did improve as the game went on and no, I do think MLF did him any favors to help Love with the ridiculous amounts of zero blitzes KC was using over and over.
He'll get this coming offseason and one more TC/PS to show marked improvement and the FO needs to find a viable journeyman to add to the roster if AR is out the door. Plan B is drafting another QB in 2023, which we should be in good position to do if Love spins out next year.
What I still don't get is where AR would think he'd have a better opportunity to win, if he has any say in it. DEN looks like more than a QB away and they just dealt Von Miller. Maybe he could coerce DEN into loading up the way TB did for Brady? CLE? The other teams that need a QB need much more than just a QB.
Thought the defense played great. Guys were flying around the ball and Gary in particular applied a lot of pressure to the 500MM best QB in NFL history.
Dillon and Jones continue to be a force in the running game. Wish they would have had more touches, especially Jones in the passing game (missed opportunity).
On the other hand, other than the punter the special teams were gawd awful. Their shitty play allowed KC to win this game when it should have been a toss up had they simply done their jobs. This is very troubling as in 2 of their 9 games the STs very well put them in a position to lose the game. That cannot happen.
As for Love, yeah, it was tough to watch at times but I think MLF could have helped him out more on some of the play calls. In the end, I’m not ready after 1 game to say he can’t play QB, but he certainly has a lot more work to do.
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@FLPACKER posted:I'm interested to see AR's demeanor in his remaining press conferences .... will he be as open / candid / insightful as before....or will he be butt-hurt over media ripping him and give canned short answers?
I hope he goes full haz mat coverings with triple masks and a full face shield. if the reporters cant understand his answers just shrug and say "sorry, don't want to get you vaccinated masked guys sick", drop the mike and walk off.
What sticks in my mind from yesterday is Love”s “stiffness”…it reminded me of Kizer and Hundley. Is that something that improves? I’ve seen so many “fluid” QB’s come into the league in the past few years—-Murray/Herbert/Mayfield/ Allen…Even when they were screwing up they have/had a smoothness.. I don’t know shit about development, but , I hope I’m just projecting incorrectly.
When have you ever cared before about having a shitty sick
My biggest concern with Love is the inaccuracy (one of his knocks coming out).
Agree the defense looked good but Mahomes had quite a few opportunities that he missed on, many badly. Not sure what's going on with him or the KC offense in general. Andy may need to examine his playcalling and return to the basics.
We can bring up other guys play in their first games we can bring up that MLF perhaps did not protect him, we can bring up that KC is a tough place to play but the truth is JL did not look good enough….yesterday. I’m not writing him off but he has lots of work to do to get to adequate.
Bottom line…..he stunk in his first big chance.
@Floridarob posted:I hope he goes full haz mat coverings with triple masks and a full face shield. if the reporters cant understand his answers just shrug and say "sorry, don't want to get you vaccinated masked guys sick", drop the mike and walk off.
Hey FR, how is your son after his battle with covid? Hope all went well.
Mahomes may be trying to play too much hero ball this year while defenses now understand Reid's O enough to clamp down on the easy stuff. Some of that is on Reid and Mahomes but the poor throws to open guys is all on the QB. It has to be really hard for their fans to watch.
On a day when the OL had to be at their best, they were not. Patrick and Freeman seemed especially bad. I don't know if that is due protection calls by Patrick and/or Love.
LaFleur takes the blame for the gameplan/playcalling, which sounds nice as a soundbite in a press conference, but why not adjust sooner in game? The whole first half was a shitshow for the O.
I do not know how the defense is holding up so well. Truly a credit to coaching to get the most out of the sum of the parts. I hope Clark is not out too long - he is much needed. The real "tests" for the defense were playing premier QB's like Mahomes and Murray. I would say they have passed with flying colors.
I don't get the absolutism with Love. He looked like a rookie, which he practically is. He has had one true training camp. There is no substitute for reps. I don't know if he has "it". But one game doesn't tell you that.