What is really bad is that the FG to beat SF was almost blocked as well from the same side! It looked to me that the snapper was a split second late snapping the ball?
Maybe they could just do a countdown instead?
What really pisses me off is that it was exposed last week and we got lucky. You would think that shit would get corrected the next week, but no. I don't know if it's Tonyan or scheme, I assume scheme because he is in a fucked situation.
Either way, what's important here is that coaching corrects it by coaching the player or adjusting the scheme and they failed to do so. It's really pathetic that this Org continues to have one of the shittiest special teams units in the league. Coverage and returns have been pathetic for far too long.
Thank god we have Mason Crosby. I have to give credit to the brass for sticking with him and now making a move for this new punter who looks damn good. Outside of those 2 specialists, the unit is poorly run and it needs to be addressed.
@PackerHawk posted:Yeah, there needs to be a hard rule here. Block the outside guy or the inside guy. You gotta block someone not tag two guys. It's on film for crying out loud. Remove the doubt here.
The general rule on a pass rush (and I assume on a kick attempt) is that you always block the inside guy in this situation because they are closer to the QB or FG attempt. Tonyan failed to do that, but it didn't really matter because both guys were in position to block the kick easily.
Four TOTAL pressures for TJ Watt and Nick Bosa against a third-string OT starting next to two rookies and a second-year Day 3 pick.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) October 4, 2021
That's bonkers.
They've been giving them the right amount of help but I was impressed with Nijman in the run game.
Bosa was fine, Watt wasn't 100 percent, but he's still Watt. And let's also remember there is a lot of beef on both those DL's as well.
+++ Through 4 games (and really mostly the past 3) Campbell is playing ILB better than any Packer since Desmond Bishop in 2010. I almost did not recognize the team on D when Campbell stopped the Steeler WR after a gain of 3 on 4th and 5 ... instead of taking the "assignment sure" AJ Hawk/Blake Martinez approach of waiting for the WR to get 10 yards downfield to add to his tackles total.
Dare I say Joe F'n Barry and Gutey (on try #4 at the bargain basement approach to the position) deserve a little credit in finding and coaching up De'Vondre?
+++ Got to hand it to the front office and coaching staff (specifically the OL coach), because I have no idea how a 3rd string, raw LT, 2nd year not all that highly regarded LG, rookie C, and rookie RG have not only not been a train wreck but have been net positives. The interior of the line, while the least sexy part of any team, has a lot of promise moving forward.
++ Great to see Dillon show some burst against a legitimate NFL defense.
+ Cobb is just the kind of 4th or 5th WR a true SB contender needs and the fact he was always a class act and a good guy makes his success all the more enjoyable.
+ He was repeatedly beaten yesterday and if Big Ben were not a shell of his former self may have given up multiple long plays, but by golly it is fun watching Stokes compete at CB and not just willingly giving up 7 yards on a 3rd or 4th and 5 and really competing - in contrast to his oft-injured predecessor. That MLF was complimented him so highly is also a + for Stokes.
+ Oh yeah, MLF is a pretty good coach. Love how the Pack was hardly firing on all cylinders and still won comfortably.
- - - In 50+ years of watching NFL football, I have never been so riveted by watching the right, outside "blocker" on field goals as I am watching the Packers/Tonyan. If every sloshed fan in every tavern from Algoma to Platteville can recognize there is a problem, why can't the Packers and the successor to the great STs coordinators Slocum, Zook, and Mennenga both recognize and do something about it?
-- It is not too late to change the narrative, but so far Degaura and Amari Rodgers have been about as promising as every other 3rd rounder taken by GB over the past 10+ years. How can so many 4th and 5th rounders contribute so much when the 3rd rounders provide so little?
Would anyone object to sending a 3rd rounder to one of the teams about to cement their non-playoff status for a genuine defensive lineman to play next to Kenny Clark?
- While MVS is out, do the Packers have the slowest group of pass catchers in the NFL?
Big battle with 3-1 Cincy awaits. Seriously.
Good analysis of what Jaire is facing.
Good look at the touchdown Jaire gave up yesterday. Looks like a good no-call to me.
Like I said last year. Cobb would have been a good signing last year. Josh Myers is going to make some Pro Bowls. Hold onto the ball Aaron Jones.
@michiganjoe posted:Good look at the touchdown Jaire gave up yesterday. Looks like a good no-call to me.
Not even sure why it's being debated. Alexander went for the ball and missed. There was no push off.
@Henry posted:Not even sure why it's being debated. Alexander went for the ball and missed. There was no push off.
If anything, it was a hand check and not a push off. Very incidental and hardly a cause for a flag. It looked to me like Jaire may have just mistimed the jump or sprung off the wrong foot based on stride. The replay actually shows he was much closer to making a play than it looked initially. They got one on him. It happens.
@SteveLuke posted:- - - In 50+ years of watching NFL football, I have never been so riveted by watching the right, outside "blocker" on field goals as I am watching the Packers/Tonyan. If every sloshed fan in every tavern from Algoma to Platteville can recognize there is a problem, why can't the Packers and the successor to the great STs coordinators Slocum, Zook, and Mennenga both recognize and do something about it?
Wait for Dougherty's article three years from now telling everyone it might be a problem.
@FLPACKER posted:What is really bad is that the FG to beat SF was almost blocked as well from the same side! It looked to me that the snapper was a split second late snapping the ball?
He can't be late as his snap is the indicator, but it looks like he may have a slight forward hitch before snapping back, which would be ball movement to indicate going while delaying the ball from getting to the holder.
FWIW Ryan Clark this morning said the snapper had a tell.
@Herschel posted:He can't be late as his snap is the indicator, but it looks like he may have a slight forward hitch before snapping back, which would be ball movement to indicate going while delaying the ball from getting to the holder.
I saw that during the super slow mo replays. Could be problematic as it gives the rush that little extra time or if he tries to correct it mid season it could lead to poor snaps.
@Pikes Peak posted:FWIW Ryan Clark this morning said the snapper had a tell.
Opponents finding this shit and using it against us is fantastic coaching. Our staff not knowing our snapper has a tell that got exposed 2 weeks straight is lazy.
Don't be like your predecessor, Matt. Act now before it costs us in a playoff game.
+Gutted out a win
- Combo of Packers failing to close out Stillers and Romo hyping Big Ben really drained my enjoyment of the game.
- injuries adding up.
+ Cobb is a double threat. He can play offense and has broken up more passes than Kevin King.
Most patients with AC joint injuries will start to feel better within a few days or a week of the injury—but it can take at least six weeks for the AC ligaments to fully heal.
I separated an A/C joint 30+ years ago. Was incredibly painful immediately after and for the next few days, then subsided... unless I tried to raise my elbow at a right angle or lift my arm above 90 degrees.
How in the world guys can play with one I'll never know.
@Timmy! posted:I separated an A/C joint 30+ years ago. Was incredibly painful immediately after and for the next few days, then subsided... unless I tried to raise my elbow at a right angle or lift my arm above 90 degrees.
How in the world guys can play with one I'll never know.
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@artis posted:If anything, it was a hand check and not a push off. Very incidental and hardly a cause for a flag. It looked to me like Jaire may have just mistimed the jump or sprung off the wrong foot based on stride. The replay actually shows he was much closer to making a play than it looked initially. They got one on him. It happens.
Seeing it live, I thought he was all over the play. No chance it was going to be completed. Then he missed it by 1 or 2".
This is the shit that's so frustrating with our LB depth. You have everyone in the front 7 doing their job except for 1 guy who absolutely causes chaos trying to guess and getting blown out of position...#44.
if you're going to jump gaps like 44 does here you better make the play or you've got a back in your secondary. pic.twitter.com/0DiqUV0DAi
— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) October 5, 2021
This is the moment where 44 fucks up the play:
You have 52 sets the playside edge, 94 maintains B integrity, 97 getting double teamed but still clogs A, and then you have 59/96/91 right there to fill the backside cutback and stop the play for 0-2 yards. All 44 has to do is take on that blocker, clog the playside C and force Harris to cut back. Nope, tries to avoid the block by jumping completely out of position, invites a second level double team and creates a massive playside lane for our DBs to clean up who Harris probably has 30 lbs on.
This was Desmond Bishops greatest value, besides having superb instincts: he understood his role and did the kind of dirty work that freed up other players to clean up. Take on these blocks, clog lanes, push everything to the guys that the defense is designed to push to. The defense flows through Campbell right now, do your job a-hole.
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Exactly. Waste of a draft choice, now it's a waste of a roster spot.
I don’t know what his grades are on STs, if he’s good there then he’s fine to have on the roster. Make sure you’ve exhausted all options though before he plays defense. It’s not bad to have ST-only players at the bottom of the roster that are shit at their position, but they better be really good on STs.
@PackerHawk posted:Seeing it live, I thought he was all over the play. No chance it was going to be completed. Then he missed it by 1 or 2".
Definitely looked like an int at first glimpse. On the replay, it looked like he may have been out of step on his jump. Like he possibly should have gotten higher off the ground. The twitter angle really showed how close he did come to making a play.