Pos/Neg Packers Dirty Birds

Yes, listened to that comment on the celebration and diet coke went onto my laptop screen.

 

awesome

 

Woooooooooo !  That's awesome

OMG....

 

 

I can feel the seething hate coming from opposing fans.

 

Yes, it feels goood. 

 

Now I know how Patriot fans feel.

Thanks. I didn't know that.

 

I agree with Clay.  Seems rather silly to have to do it but if that's what it takes.  

2 things that stood out to me in last night's game:

Rodgers utilizing all of his receivers. He had completions to 7-8 different ones, IIRC.

When one WR can't get open, another weapon takes his place. Jordy was a little cold starting last week's game, and Adams stepped up big time. This week when Adams or Cobb weren't open, Jordy was. If Jordy and Adams were covered, Cobb was stepping up.

I think that's exactly how we envision this offense working.

AR hitting his checkdowns is something to watch, all the while with a sense of where the pass rush is.  If he can continue to switch to runs and/or hit the running back with the checkdown (for 8 yards a pop) this offense will win games.  

 

He can still convert that 3rd and 17 like no one else (who isn't playing our defense).  

Negative

@BrianCarriveau: The #Packers have not had a turnover in four consecutive games, a first in franchise history dating back to 1933.

Take the money, eat the lunch.

It's called the  "Transitive Property of Inequalities":   IF a>b   and  b>c  THEN a>c

 

but you are correct...it does not apply to the NFL.  

 Leave the gun, take the cannoli.

Interesting take from Eric Baranczyk at the GBPG. Suspects Capers, with MM's assent, went vanilla on defense against the Falcons owing to possibility the teams might meet again in the playoffs.

 

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...la-defense/20173407/

... the Packers never deviated from their rather basic defensive calls, and never went to great lengths to take Jones out of the game.

The previous week, against New England, the Packers pulled out all their game-plan moves with uncommon blitzes on defense and their most varied personnel groups of the season on offense. But they held back defensively against the Falcons, and it's hard not to think coach Mike McCarthy was factoring a possible playoff rematch in that decision...

The teams could meet again if the Falcons win the NFC South Division – they're tied for the division lead at 5-8 – and the Packers are a wild card. The No. 4 seed, which will be the winner of the NFC South, will host the No. 5 seed, which will be the highest-seeded wild card. The Packers could be that if Detroit beats them out for the NFC North...

Often against a great receiver such as Jones, you build a defensive game plan around him with as much double coverage as you can. But the Packers didn't change anything and played the second half much like the first.

They generally played one safety in the box to help stop the run. That left only one safety deep, and they played him in centerfield rather than overtly doubling Jones. He made them pay time and again...

Normally against that kind of player, the Packers might assign a specific cornerback to cover him on most snaps no matter where he lined up. Regardless, they'd find a way to bracket him in coverage with a safety as much as they could.

Any of the aforementioned plays in isolation can happen against almost any game plan. But taken as a whole, they suggest the Packers were holding something back. Coaches hate giving away information, and McCarthy felt safe to stay basic on the chance these teams will meet again. But once he made that decision, it was hard to flip the switch back on, and it nearly led to a second-half disaster for the Packers.

Good stuff.

 

Definitely something to consider.

That theory has merit,

 

if it is 1939 and teams don't have film on each other.   The only unscouted looks today are ones that haven't made the field yet (or in the Patriots case, haven't made the practice field yet).  

Tulloch wasn't doing discount double check move when he tore his ACL

 

First off I wasn't doing the discount double check when I got hurt. So my man A Rod can’t stop promoting his discount double move.

 

 

 

Clavins don't take lunch money, they eat it.   I love explaining jokes, makes them funnier.

Baranczyk's theory might in part have some merit, but only because Capers maybe felt he had a bunch of cushion via the score, and didn't feel the need to make drastic changes.  The looking ahead to the playoffs theory seems way off from McCarthy's mantra of "emptying the gun" on defense in each game this year.  I don't believe MM would try to gameplan for theoreticals way down the road.

Yes and no

In the course of a season, teams run a thousand plays and there is simply no way to prepare for all of them - nor is there a way to prepare for all the variations that can arise from moving guys around. EX - Cobb was in the backfield earlier in the season, but he didn't run a wheel route with a bunch- pick formation from it

 

Eric Mangini also talked about how they scouted coaches while he was in NE:

- some coaches would use what worked against you earlier that season

- some coaches would use new stuff

- some coaches would pull stuff from several years ago.

- some would steal plays that worked against their own and see how you handle it

- Some would also attack your adaptations that came from being beaten .

 

Coaches install in the offseason and make changes all year long- so what they did in   September is often quite different from what they do in December.

Which ones should an opponent scout and prepare for ?

MM estimated that 30% of the game is "unscouted" in that the repertoire of possibilities vastly outweighs what you can prepare a defense for in a week's time

 

Lots of ways to skin a cat and the chess match continues. Belichick knows he can run on the Packers, but he didn't press the issue in their recent match-up. Why not ? Because Gollum is polishing his precious and waiting for the chance to use it again when it really counts.

 

My speculative guess is that any defensive subterfuge with regards to Julio was on account of facing Detroit/Calvin in the final game.  And how GB covered a studly WR is of great interest to a divisional foe who sees the Pack 2x per season.

I agree with Bonger, there aren't any surprise concepts in the NFL any more. I doubt Capers/MM were hiding things. They used the exotic blitzes against NE because they're a disciplined team with a QB who is a savvy veteran who could easily recognize the usual stuff. They were beating Atlanta up front in the first half, there's no adjusting for guys flat out losing 1 on 1 battles.

Where the chess match comes in to play is personnel matchups...isolating TEs against LBs or getting WRs in space or finding the holes in the Zones. I'm sure the Falcons knew essentially what the Packers would try to do against them in the 2nd half based on their history and what they did in the 1st half. My guess is that the Packers were counting on our guys continuing to win those 1 on 1's rather than flip the script and panic. When it comes down to it I will rely on Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers to win up front rather than doing a lot of complex stunts or blitzes.

Another very good point.

Baranczyk presents an interesting topic of discussion, but you'd think the priority would be to do whatever you can to ensure you win the game being played. To hold something back against a team that is killing you on defense in case you lose to Detroit, in case they beat New Orleans, in case Detroit doesn't stumble against Minnesota, etc,, etc., seems to be overthinking things.

 

The one aspect that might influence this thinking is how the Packers won the last game of the season in Arizona in the 2009 season, only to have Arizona turn around and treat the Packers defense like an unoccupied superhighway to the end zone in the playoff game. That's one case where showing too much might have come back to haunt them.

The AZ end- of- season game was used by Whisenhunt and Warner to see how GB handled the bunch formations. ( not very well).

And that's exactly what they used to score so many points the following week. Bigby, Giordano, Underwood, Bush and Derrick Martin were formation-flummoxed, which led to the fervent flogging.

 

Damn.  I couldn't even remember who those guys were at first.  what a gong show of a secondary.

Indeed, those clowns helped Warner's HOF candidacy immensely

Still, somehow the Packers D found a way to persevere:

 

from JSO:

 

From 2009-'13, the Packers ranked 4th in football in takeaways (155), No. 1 in interceptions (114), No. 4 in opponent passer rating (78.0), 4th in total sacks (204) and 7th in points per game (20.8)

 

 

"From 2009-13"?  those guys weren't around much after 09.  

The Cardinals were also helped by a facemask that wasn't called. 

The only good thing I remember about 2009 was the Cardinal loss being the opening scene of Americas Game 2010. 

...and the opening scene to Americas Game 2014 will be a playoff loss to the Niners

Opening scene of Americas Game 2014 will either be Colt Lyerla sitting in an Oregon prison saying "I'd like to think I was part of that. But I dig that red bull and crystal meth" or AJ Hawk strip sacking Tom Brady and returning it 35 yards for a TD. 

I'd put some weight to the holding back theory simply because what we saw on Monday night was a god damn head scratcher even for the Wizard.   I still think it was as much a "how bad is Brad" reading as well.

Or a how bad is Winston reading.