Pos/Neg Packers @ Vikings

excalibur posted:

Henry posted:

excalibur posted:

Hey, McStale and AR had extra time to fix this, they failed.

Eventually, for the dumb ones, the Packers need to find AR's replacement. This last draft had ample opportunities. Rodgers has missed so many open guys this season that it is scary.

If AR does not return to form in 2019, 2020, it will get ugly fast with that contract they gave him.

You mean the rookie who was supposed to step in so they didn't need to give Rodgers a contract?  ****ing idiot.

You haven't aged well.

I never said a rookie should be playing this year. I did say that I thought, and said so pre-draft, that they should draft a QB. Have a good day.

You weren't shit to start with.

You said that would've taken care of investing all this money in Rodgers.  Isn't that right?   So where in that time frame would Rodgers still be on this team if the Packers didn't give him a contract because he's such a broken down cancer, the contract you were bitching about?  

As we know, drafting a QB means automatic ringer.  

What a bunch of ****ing idiots on this board.

You weren't shit to start with.

He's shitty; that's close enough....

michiganjoe posted:

Debunking the Myths of Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers and the Packers Offense

Pretty good piece by Andy Benoit that I largely agree with. His conclusion: much of the issue is AR playing sandlot ball rather than staying in the structure of the offense.

This is in contrast to what was being said today here. Jason Wilde was a guest on ESPN 1500 this afternoon and they asked Jason some rather pointed questions regarding what they've heard from around the league as observers. 

1. The offense is more than stale: What they're doing now is too little - too late. Wilde added Hostler and Philbin had admitted the playbook lacked plays for easy completions for Rodgers and is almost entirely predicated on him making the hard throw. That sure didn't help a guy like Hundley either. Once they're off the script, too often the plays called are the old ones that every opponent knows. 

2. The talent is lacking: Isolation routes were fine when they had talent to consistently win one-on-ones as Rodgers could hit them. The interesting part was the knock on Adams. The ESPN crew has heard from other coaches around the league that Adams is talented, but his footwork is too often lousy, especially along the sidelines. Jordy, Jennings and even Jones could work the edges well but Adams getting pushed out last night before making the catch was another illustration of the hole in his game. The two rookies show some promise but really shouldn't be getting as many snaps as they are. 

3. They need a bold move this offseason. Not getting Mack was a mistake. He was a perfect fit for what they needed. He makes the Bears defense noticeably better when he's playing. Yes he was expensive, but  players of his quality don't come around often. 

My opinion being in relative weights on the above is point #1 is the major issue, point #2 is debatable and point #3 is hindsight and icing on a cake baked with salt. It can improve the taste but it will still taste awful.

I know others have mentioned this.  The lack of production from Marquez Valdez-Scantling really concerns me.

Josh Jackson as well.

Jackson worries me more.

I was really high on him.  Not that he can't develop, but I expected more initially.

Point #2 isn’t debatable. It’s pure nonsense. Adams is now the only receicer in the NFL with double digit TDs three consecutive seasons. Went over 1,000 yards last night. Still has 5 games to play. Playing in a fractured offense with Brett Hundley heavily involved during the last three seasons. 

Lousy footwork. That’s some laughable nonsense. 

Josh Jackson isn’t a slot corner. He’s being forced to play there due to injuries. But he’s no slot corner. 

Not exactly sure why anyone would be overly concerned about rookies playing in a banged up defense half way through their first season.  It looks like rookie play.  Alexander is a huge exception.

Frankly, given all the injuries and lack of experience, I think the defense has done remarkably well. Yes, they may be playing a more basic scheme, but they play hard, hit pretty well, and for the most part aren't terribly out of position. And they have been put on the field so much because the offense has had so darn many three-and-outs, especially in the second half of games, that they get tired. Plus, this would be the end of their college season, so it's only natural they seem to have hit a wall -- and of course, now other teams have a lot of tape on them. 

Diggs and Thielen are tough to cover, and it was the experienced guy who got his footwork crossed up and fell down to allow an easy score to Diggs. Overall, Pettine should be given huge props. The fact that the D is 12th overall is pretty remarkable.

Fandame posted:

And they have been put on the field so much because the offense has had so darn many three-and-outs, especially in the second half of games, that they get tired. 

Overall, Pettine should be given huge props. The fact that the D is 12th overall is pretty remarkable.

Absolutely. It's been remarkable in a number of games how they've battled well into the second half, while the offense has their "unfortunate, typical lull" which severely taxes the other units. Heck, the O and ST usually hamper the D with horrible field position, in addition to barely allowing them to get a breath from the sideline. Given a fair shake, the defense can and has held its own to contribute to wins. Of all ppl, MM should understand how badly situations have hampered his defense to bend and then break. But the D's effort has been a pleasant surprise in such a crummy campaign.

ChilliJon posted:

Point #2 isn’t debatable. It’s pure nonsense. Adams is now the only receicer in the NFL with double digit TDs three consecutive seasons. Went over 1,000 yards last night. Still has 5 games to play. Playing in a fractured offense with Brett Hundley heavily involved during the last three seasons. 

Lousy footwork. That’s some laughable nonsense. 

And Bill Schroeder had a 1000-yard season.  They didn't say he wasn't good, just that he has a tendency to have sloppy footwork. 

EC Pack posted:

Jackson worries me more.

I was really high on him.  Not that he can't develop, but I expected more initially.

What did you expect? The guy lacks pure burst. As Chili said, that shows up in the slot more than the outside (generally) and Diggs and Thielen are both slot-type receivers with their quickness. Alexander has blazing "make up" speed to help with rookie mistakes, Jackson doesn't have that. 

Fandame posted:

Frankly, given all the injuries and lack of experience, I think the defense has done remarkably well. Yes, they may be playing a more basic scheme, but they play hard, hit pretty well, and for the most part aren't terribly out of position. And they have been put on the field so much because the offense has had so darn many three-and-outs, especially in the second half of games, that they get tired. Plus, this would be the end of their college season, so it's only natural they seem to have hit a wall -- and of course, now other teams have a lot of tape on them. 

Diggs and Thielen are tough to cover, and it was the experienced guy who got his footwork crossed up and fell down to allow an easy score to Diggs. Overall, Pettine should be given huge props. The fact that the D is 12th overall is pretty remarkable.

I agree with you.  Even though the defense is decimated by injuries and has had to play who knows how many players they are hanging in there.  I do think given one year of health (it has to happen sooner or later) I think this defense has a pretty good future.  

They are in desperate need of a good S.

Fandame posted:

 

Diggs and Thielen are tough to cover, and it was the experienced guy who got his footwork crossed up and fell down to allow an easy score to Diggs. Overall, Pettine should be given huge props. The fact that the D is 12th overall is pretty remarkable.

Tramon Williams should never be assigned to cover Diggs in any defensive scheme.

DH13 posted:

They are in desperate need of a good S.

Like Harrison Smith. The only Viking I envy

YATittle posted:

DH13 posted:

They are in desperate need of a good S.

Like Harrison Smith. The only Viking I envy

You mean the guy picked immediately after Packers selected Nick "China Doll" Perry?

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GBFanForLife posted:

Fandame posted:

 

Diggs and Thielen are tough to cover, and it was the experienced guy who got his footwork crossed up and fell down to allow an easy score to Diggs. Overall, Pettine should be given huge props. The fact that the D is 12th overall is pretty remarkable.

Tramon Williams should never [play another snap of football for the Green Bay Packers].

I fixed your post.

Fandame posted:

Well, it would be better to draft a replacement candidate now rather than two years from now to hedge against Rodgers not returning to form... Kizer isn't it. Boyle? Doubtful, but we don't know that yet.

They still have Seneca Wallace on speed dial, just in case.