Tschmack posted:Cowboys look like a decent team with Elliott and Prescott. Go figure-no Romo and no Dez and they are rolling.
Still, hard to believe this was such a beatdown
The reason they are rolling is BECAUSE there is no Romo.
Get lost....Nobody gives a **** about your opinion
With their o-line, Dallas is the only team that can run on defenses when they are playing"run", this makes everything else go. Prescott can look to his first read & they are likely open.
Boris posted:Get lost....Nobody gives a **** about your opinion
You're such a classy guy.
He's classy enough not to have thrown you and your tired schtick out of here a long time ago.
Hey Catts.....your team was the better team this day.....makes me sick the Packers couldn't have cleaned your clock. But......if your team gets to the promised land, the playoffs, then screw you. Ha ha.
Here's another NEG:
Stupid call #2 - The QB Draw with 1st and Goal from the 4 yard line?? Sure AR should have held onto the ball. But the timing of this play call was terrible.
Goldie posted:Hey Catts.....your team was the better team this day.....makes me sick the Packers couldn't have cleaned your clock. But......if your team gets to the promised land, the playoffs, then screw you. Ha ha.
so nice of you, and I wish you the same.
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Monty seemed like the only guy out there fired up and wanting to win.
Lacy had a gutty performance on that ankle.
O-line played well once again.
Crosby the only thing keeping us in this game for most of it.
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MM calling time outs with Dallas backed up to their own 4 yd line right before the half when we get the ball back afterwards was one of the dumber calls I've seen him make. Totally swung the tide of the game.
Gunter was exposed, but our secondary is so ravaged with injuries, I'm not sure what other option there really is. Hopefully he can shake it off, he did well against OBJ last week.
Rodgers just...for a long time I figured it was just mis-timings, or bad reciever routes. Today, the interception was just a brutal throw. The overthrow to Cobb in the end zone was another. Time and time again he was off the mark, even when receivers caught it.. The throw where the two Dallas defenders collided happened because he threw it behind Nelson (luck I guess).
Also, I don't like seeing Adams get hurt, but there was such a huge upgrade at WR when he went out and Monty was put in. It's stuff like this that makes me really wonder about the coaching staff making the right calls on who should be out there. At the very least if a guy gets hot, keep him in the game.
I don't know what the issue is but they gotta fix something or MM is going to be out of a job sooner rather than later. No fire on this team, no sense of urgency. This is a finesse team that's lost it's finesse. They seem to have no answer when they can't run their preferred game plan. That's on the coach.
Goldie posted:GBP1 posted:Plus
Hmmm....gotta think...Lacy ran well a few times.
Minus
McCarthy needs to move on. His grip on this team is worn and slipping. Same old rhetoric.
The onside kick call was a complete joke
The 3rd and 1 run call in the first quarter was a mess
Horrible play selection...again
Dropped passes and fumbles
Rodgers needs to appreciate his future on the green turf of Lambeau and not the red carpets of Hollywood. Stop shaking his head and start nodding his head would be a start: Missed Cobb on 4th down and 5; but Cobb was likely his last safety valve. Why wasn't a WR able to get open 6 yards for a first down?
Again...WRs unable to get open. As evidenced by some of the video replays we saw.
Aberderris's sleeve tattoo. C'mon Jared.
Fumbles: Nelson's head is not in the game, again. That's coaching
Defense
How many kick-offs did we see that were not returned? Even though they were fielded within 1-2 yards from the goal-line? 3
This team lacks confidence on both sides of the ball. It started last season and looks like it will be continuing until something changes...
THAT'S coaching right??? They stink....have lost this team. They all stink. JMHO.
Yes. They all stink. Not saying MM is not a good coach. Just time for him to move on.
Im just a fan, I defer all the X's and O's to others like Hungry, Gravedigger and Chili to name a few but for the life of me I cannot figure this out. Something happened in Denver to this team. Is the talent level over rated? Did other teams finally figure out the MM scheme? Is there truly internal strife within the O? Has it been a one man band and when that one man band is out of tune it all falls apart? Is being one of the youngest teams just about every year a good thing?
All of the above?
+ Ty and Lacy fighting through the injury
- AR not using basic fundamentals to throw the ball, secondary, injuries, and we are now 3 games behind the Vikings.
) concert live, as I type.
If this team does not make the playoffs this year, or is a one and done in the pkayoffs, MM needs to go. AR just looKS like he just doesn't care about the game anymore.
Pikes Peak posted:Im just a fan, I defer all the X's and O's to others like Hungry, Gravedigger and Chili to name a few but for the life of me I cannot figure this out. Something happened in Denver to this team. Is the talent level over rated? Did other teams finally figure out the MM scheme? Is there truly internal strife within the O? Has it been a one man band and when that one man band is out of tune it all falls apart? Is being one of the youngest teams just about every year a good thing?
All of the above?
I'm not sure about the internal strife. I don't think it was a one man gang either. I think the one man has lost a lot of his mojo. Inaccurate throws. Rushed throws. Frustration.
I think that teams have figured them out. The one team they lit up offensively took a look at how rusty Jordy Nelson was in Weeks 1 and 2 and gave him a free run. Every other team has played deep safeties. Challenged the WR's at the line and made AR hold the ball. They also can't run well consistently enough to make make the safeties come up.
Look on the bright side of this....you've only lost 2 games.
The Good - not much
The Bad - AR Missing open receivers, Defense letting Elliott get off for 100+ and doing that stupid gesture after each big run
The Ugly - Rodgers = Steve Sax/Chuck Knoblach = David Duval
Vitaflo made an interesting observation
When did Monty go down last year? Was it the Rams game or SD game? In his place stepped Adams, and this offense hasn't been the same- or maybe another way to put it Monty has a knack for getting open and making plays whereas for every one good play Adams makes he screws up or drops 3 others. It also seems like everything designed for Adams is downfield.
I go back to to the AZ playoff game as well. Abby and Janis made a lot of plays in that game. I see Abbrederis got some reps today but my point is it makes me wonder if the personnel isn't right given what they are trying to do. Or are they simply trying too hard for the big play?
People want to look at 2014 as a benchmark - and that's fine. While they miss the Jordy deep throws they also miss Cobb and all the underneath quick hitters as well. We also used to joke about 4th and 1 and 3rd and 1 back in 2011 and MM running 5 wide formations but those plays didn't take long to develop and they usually worked.
Something New England does better than any team is their receivers get open. Other than Gronk is there anyone on that team that's elite? Hardly. But they design easy schemes and make it happen.
Maybe GB needs to go back and look at some of their old tapes because my guess is they would see this offense doesn't much resemble what they've done in the past, and much like how they continue to try to force feed Adams I think MM is doing the same thing with the offense. It's stubbornness and other teams have figured it out. The schemes and routes they are running take precision and more importantly they take a lot of time to develop. Defenders are just getting physical and disrupting the timing hence the Packers aren't making enough plays.
Did anyone catch what Aikman said about Adams? When discussing what was wrong with Packers pass attack, Aikman said "I've always thought that your passing game was only as good as how good your third WR was" the implication was clear....he does not think Adams is very good.
Tschmack posted:Vitaflo made an interesting observation
When did Monty go down last year? Was it the Rams game or SD game? In his place stepped Adams, and this offense hasn't been the same- or maybe another way to put it Monty has a knack for getting open and making plays whereas for every one good play Adams makes he screws up or drops 3 others. It also seems like everything designed for Adams is downfield.
I go back to to the AZ playoff game as well. Abby and Janis made a lot of plays in that game. I see Abbrederis got some reps today but my point is it makes me wonder if the personnel isn't right given what they are trying to do. Or are they simply trying too hard for the big play?
People want to look at 2014 as a benchmark - and that's fine. While they miss the Jordy deep throws they also miss Cobb and all the underneath quick hitters as well. We also used to joke about 4th and 1 and 3rd and 1 back in 2011 and MM running 5 wide formations but those plays didn't take long to develop and they usually worked.
Something New England does better than any team is their receivers get open. Other than Gronk is there anyone on that team that's elite? Hardly. But they design easy schemes and make it happen.
Maybe GB needs to go back and look at some of their old tapes because my guess is they would see this offense doesn't much resemble what they've done in the past, and much like how they continue to try to force feed Adams I think MM is doing the same thing with the offense. It's stubbornness and other teams have figured it out. The schemes and routes they are running take precision and more importantly they take a lot of time to develop. Defenders are just getting physical and disrupting the timing hence the Packers aren't making enough plays.
The bye week was for self scouting, so we're told
Tschmack posted:Vitaflo made an interesting observation
When did Monty go down last year? Was it the Rams game or SD game? In his place stepped Adams, and this offense hasn't been the same- or maybe another way to put it Monty has a knack for getting open and making plays whereas for every one good play Adams makes he screws up or drops 3 others. It also seems like everything designed for Adams is downfield.
I go back to to the AZ playoff game as well. Abby and Janis made a lot of plays in that game. I see Abbrederis got some reps today but my point is it makes me wonder if the personnel isn't right given what they are trying to do. Or are they simply trying too hard for the big play?
People want to look at 2014 as a benchmark - and that's fine. While they miss the Jordy deep throws they also miss Cobb and all the underneath quick hitters as well. We also used to joke about 4th and 1 and 3rd and 1 back in 2011 and MM running 5 wide formations but those plays didn't take long to develop and they usually worked.
Something New England does better than any team is their receivers get open. Other than Gronk is there anyone on that team that's elite? Hardly. But they design easy schemes and make it happen.
Maybe GB needs to go back and look at some of their old tapes because my guess is they would see this offense doesn't much resemble what they've done in the past, and much like how they continue to try to force feed Adams I think MM is doing the same thing with the offense. It's stubbornness and other teams have figured it out. The schemes and routes they are running take precision and more importantly they take a lot of time to develop. Defenders are just getting physical and disrupting the timing hence the Packers aren't making enough plays.
It was the SD game. But I don't think he replaced Adams. Adams was already starting and battling an ankle sprain himself. The offense did tank and the Packers started losing after Montgomery went down though.
Everybody just has so much trouble getting open. And if they do our QB seems over anxious and makes a poor throw. Like someone in the desert who thinks water might be a mirage.
I haven't seen the 22, but it appears that the route concepts are independent of each other. Nothing to set someone up, scheme to get open. Just one on one and get open. Problem is that if no one gets open, or, the one who gets open isn't looked at.
Lack of offensive cohesion or identity. "Go beat your man" only takes you so far, especially when no one is beating their man consistently.
This is what many of us questioned last year....the scheme does not appear to fit the present talent. Most thought the return of Jordy would solve everything.
I can't blam WR's for this showing.. The boys dropped 7 into coverage all night. They knew they weren't going to pressure Rodgers and they didn't care because they knew he can't play within the offense and complete passes from the pocket.
+ We're not Panther fans.
Once again we lost both the turn over and the "average yards gained per pass play" stats. You can not win games when losing those two stats & most times lose by +2 scores when losing both.
catts posted:Look on the bright side of this....you've only lost 2 games.
Now if we could only lose you.
catts posted:Look on the bright side of this....you've only lost 2 games.
ffs.
go hang with Jerrah in a men's room why doncha
The Positives? It is freaking over and now we can concentrate on hating the Bears this week. TBSS!
The other positive is that this rash of injuries cant continue can it?
The negatives?
I also think defenses may have started to figure out MM offense. I also think the offense has started to get away from its west coast offense roots and is becoming more of a spread offense. And speaking of which what was with that stupid college spread QB draw call near the goal line? MM I hope that play was pulled forever from the playbook. Leave that cuteness for college teams on Saturday please.
As for Aaron I don't know what the deal is but it seems like he is not having any fun out there. Sure it is frustrating (pssst hey receivers lets catch the ball) but something is just off. None of us know what is going on behind the scenes of course but something is up with this team you can just see it in their body language.
Defensively? Well they did play against the best OL in football IMHO but still it gets frustrating to see the big yardage plays.
Started to figure the offense out? It's been figured out for over a year.
The worst thing that can happen is they muddle their way to a playoff berth without really improving anything (totally possible considering their schedule) and continue with the status quo in the offseason. Some serious change has to happen whether it's AR or MM or both.
Like I said yesterday, if AR continues to play like he has been MM needs to pull him and see if Hundley can spark something. There isn't a whole lot to lose at this point other than hurting Erin's feelings and just maybe he'll even re-grow that chip.
If MM pulls 12 the next thing he pulls will be a UHual trailer back to Pittsburgh.
Guess the running back position isn't dead.
Elliott had a monster game as did Slim Shady in Buffalo.
Our problem is a gimpy Lacy and a crappy and hurt Starks.
Oh, and I hope long term Ripowski is a good player but Kuhn could help them more right now.
They'll need to move someone to bring up Jackson. Lacy won't be enough or even ready on a short week.
The Packers got rid of James Jones, Tim Masthay, George Kuhn from last year's squad and replaced them with cheaper talent.
— JS Comments (@JSComments) October 17, 2016
Jones and Masthay are debatable. But there is no arguing where this team is if George Kuhn is still on the roster. Unforgivable.
Wait, what? Jones, fine, Masthay, okay, but why did they get rid of the Houston OB/GYN?
Having James Jones, Masthay, and John Kuhn would make no difference. The punter has been inadequate but hasn't lost them games at this point, Ripkowski has not been a problem, and James Jones has lost about 4 steps from what was his average speed at this point.
Keeping 7 receivers and 2 RB/1 FB is the roster decision that really needs to be looked at with a critical eye. If they keep having to run Cobb and Montgomery between the tackles, they are going to get hurt. They are not built like RBs and not used to being tackled by 350 pound DL or 250 pound LBs.