Feel for Rodgers and the organzation.
YATittle posted:Didn't the Bears break Rodgers' collarbone years ago leading to the game where we beat them in their house for the division? Or am I misremembering that?
That is correct. What an epic play to win it. We play Minny on December 23rd.....
Tschmack posted:Sign Kap! He was so good. Like 4 years ago. With the best D in the NFL. Oh snap
Watch out! On the game thread that got people called racist. No fooling.
Packdog posted:
Still shots can be deceiving, but, Can't tell me Barr doesn't know the ball is gone, but yet still hits, drives, and lands with all his weight on Rodgers. Grrrrrrrr
I'd call this a borderline cheap shot, but it's pretty low on the "dirty" scale. I'll always give the benefit of the doubt to a defender once the QB leaves the pocket and becomes half runner half passer.
Bull**** on the highest scale. Look at that pic
Barr can shove Rodgers down. He can push him down. He sees the ball is away and he still wraps up and puts 100% of his body onto Rodgers and drives him into the ground.
**** Barr. **** Anthony Barr and his complete ****ing failure of a career trying to resurrect it by doing some cheap ass bull**** like this in front of the deadhead zealot homie ****s. And his blind assed coach loving all of it up.
**** the Minnesota Vikings and their ****ed up fan base.
Couldn't have ******* said it ******* better.
Positives: We held the vikings to field goals in the second half. Huntley looked good once he got into a rhythm. I think and hope the team can rally around him. Cobb, Jordy and Davante started catching passes from Hundley and we moved the chains.
Negatives: Hundley looked horrible when he first came in after Barr cheapshotted Aaron Rodgers. Our run Defense was terrible. Minnesota got about 5 yards a carry everytime they ran the ball. Our running game was nonexistent. Laquon Treadwell may be my new second most hated viking, after Barr. The US Bank Stadium turf. It has to be responsible to most of our injuries and all of minnesota's injuries. The officiating stunk big time. How was there no flag on that hit on Rodgers? I thought the refs were supposed to protect the QBs.The ball was long gone when Barr decided to end our season. How does the ref standing nearest to the play not see that the pass to McKinnon bounced off the turf? How do the officials covering Matthews' fumble recovery and runback not see that the guy who dislodged the ball from Matthews arms had gone out of bounds and then came back onto the field and was the first to hit Matthews? Field Position. Our third down and long situation on almost every offensive series killed us. Our TE's. Bennett drops too many passes. Kendricks was barely heard from, today. Did we leave him in Green Bay? We need him more involved in our offense. DickRod looks to be our best TE, right now and his play and slowness are why TT went out and signed Bennett and Kendricks. I could go on, but what for? Damn! I forgot Vogel! Good night!
The biggest negative in this whole mess is that the defense STILL sucks ass, and I can't tell that it's improved at all from last year.
I think we have a very good DL, fair ILBs playing relatively well, 1 OLB showing some signs of life while the other has disappeared, and a boatload of DBs that can't cover my Granny and tackle like pure pussies.
Your offense is so constipated they haven't scored in 2 games? No problem, we play the Packers. Cleared that right up.
Starting QB hurt, a terrible OL, can't run the ball, missing key starters; what in the world are we going to do? Oh, hey, we play the Packers next week! Piece o' cake.
Every week of every season, it's the same ol' same ol'. Underachieving teams have no problem moving the ball against our defense, and we have to depend on the offense (ARod) to win.
Now that we are forced to play our primary backup QB, the basic plan has to be for the defense to keep games close enough to give him a chance to win. Fat chance of that happening. I shudder to think of what Brees will do next week; if he put 50+ on the Loins, he may hit 60 against us.
+ very classy tweet from Richard Sherman....
Music City posted:Packdog posted:
2 full steps... never should have happened.
And it’s not even that Barr hit him, it’s that he drove him to the ground. He could pulled up with just a hard push or a pop, but the ball is gone and he hasn’t even started moving his arms to wrap Rodgers up. I won’t say cheap shot, but definitely NOT a clean hit. Hundley says he knows Barr and says he’s not a dirty player, but that’s not a clean hit.
Pistol GB posted:I guess Rodgers told him as much after the play. I missed it. Any lip readers see this?
**** Barr. **** Anthony Barr and his complete ****ing failure of a career trying to resurrect it by doing some cheap ass bull**** like this in front of the deadhead zealot homie ****s. And his blind assed coach loving all of it up.
**** the Minnesota Vikings and their ****ed up fan base.
I think Chilli captured it verbatim.
It's not even a necessary hit. It's not like AR was going to out run him or even running down field.
Grave Digger posted:Music City posted:Packdog posted:
2 full steps... never should have happened.
And it’s not even that Barr hit him, it’s that he drove him to the ground. He could pulled up with just a hard push or a pop, but the ball is gone and he hasn’t even started moving his arms to wrap Rodgers up. I won’t say cheap shot, but definitely NOT a clean hit. Hundley says he knows Barr and says he’s not a dirty player, but that’s not a clean hit.
Grave Digger, I'll say it. It was a cheap shot!
"unnecessary".....but within the rules & how players are taught to play from biddy ball on up.
2. Stuffing the Passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for above. When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player's arms.
4. Protection While Out of Pocket. When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule and the provision regarding low hits, but he remains covered by all other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket. If a passer outside the pocket stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he is covered by all of the special protections.
Judgment call, but could have easily been made within the rules.
But this type of play is what the NFL is trying to prevent these days. Unnecessary hits that cause injury to a player. So I think it should of been flagged as unnecessary roughness. I would expect a fine, but probably won't see one. NFL should fine him, cause I have no doubt that outside people looking in and watching AR play will stop watching now. Rating may drop some more now.
The most ominous part is that the team said there is a "chance he could miss the rest of the season.”
Clavicle (medical term for collarbone) fractures commonly heal without surgery. Surgery is chosen when the fracture is displaced (out of alignment) or when trying to lessen recovery time.
In my NFL experience I have returned players at four weeks, including a running back.
Last time Rodgers had the left (non-throwing) clavicle broken, in 2013, he did not have surgery and missed seven weeks.Being this is his throwing side, this timetable could be longer.
If the Packers choose to plate the collarbone, that could slightly shorten the time.
I am very hopeful that he will return this season, but it should be expected he will miss a minimum of eight weeks. That would put his return at Week 14.
Can we sign Tony Romo for the season? Would he come back from retirement? He's a Wisconsin guy.
— Scott Walker (@ScottWalker) October 15, 2017
iowacheese posted:Jesus ****!
Hungry5 posted:The most ominous part is that the team said there is a "chance he could miss the rest of the season.”
Clavicle (medical term for collarbone) fractures commonly heal without surgery. Surgery is chosen when the fracture is displaced (out of alignment) or when trying to lessen recovery time.
In my NFL experience I have returned players at four weeks, including a running back.
Last time Rodgers had the left (non-throwing) clavicle broken, in 2013, he did not have surgery and missed seven weeks.Being this is his throwing side, this timetable could be longer.
If the Packers choose to plate the collarbone, that could slightly shorten the time.
I am very hopeful that he will return this season, but it should be expected he will miss a minimum of eight weeks. That would put his return at Week 14.
I'm waiting on the Packer's organization to say "out for rest of the season". Maybe we are just looking at 8 weeks.
yeah, that's just what we need, snot fawker's opinion on anything.
I think we will see a vast improvement with Hundley this weekend after he gets his reps. Of course he should be ready anytime to go in, but on the road against a very good defense, I thought he looked decent. He should look better against the Saints, but MM also needs to let him play and not dumb down the playbook.
Well, the way this NFL season is going...the Packers still can make it into the playoffs. Hundley has his shot now to prove himself in the eyes of his GM, HC, Teammates and us fans. He will get better with more reps and work. The Defense concerns me more than the offense. My guess is Rodgers makes it back in December...December 5th would be nice so he can beat the Vikes up in Lambeau.
Hungry5 posted:The most ominous part is that the team said there is a "chance he could miss the rest of the season.”
Clavicle (medical term for collarbone) fractures commonly heal without surgery. Surgery is chosen when the fracture is displaced (out of alignment) or when trying to lessen recovery time.
In my NFL experience I have returned players at four weeks, including a running back.
Last time Rodgers had the left (non-throwing) clavicle broken, in 2013, he did not have surgery and missed seven weeks.Being this is his throwing side, this timetable could be longer.
If the Packers choose to plate the collarbone, that could slightly shorten the time.
I am very hopeful that he will return this season, but it should be expected he will miss a minimum of eight weeks. That would put his return at Week 14.
As I'm learning right now, stem cells.
GBP1 posted:Well, the way this NFL season is going...the Packers still can make it into the playoffs. Hundley has his shot now to prove himself in the eyes of his GM, HC, Teammates and us fans. He will get better with more reps and work. The Defense concerns me more than the offense. My guess is Rodgers makes it back in December...December 5th would be nice so he can beat the Vikes up in Lambeau.
If it was his left shoulder, I would say this is a likely timeline. It's obviously his throwing shoulder so even after the bone heals, it's going to take some time to build strength back up in his muscle, etc. He's going to have his arm immobilized for weeks. The last thing you want is to have him come back and end up with a rotator cuff or other problem because his arm isn't ready. Unfortunately, you have to consider 2018 and beyond at this point.
I said in another thread that 3-7 was a likely outcome over the rest of the year and that's as much based on the lack of healthy OL and DB as anything else. I think Hundley is at least a league average QB, but if he's taking snaps behind a line that includes a 7th round OT picked off of someone's practice squad (Ulrich John), another two UDFAs (Lucas Patrick and Justin McCray), and a stop-gap veteran (Evans) he doesn't have much of chance. The Packers are not designed to run the ball under the best of circumstances and Rodgers' experience and snap count timing makes a huge difference in changing plays at the line and keeping defenders from getting huge jumps on the snap.
After Hundley struggled against pressure yesterday, I think teams are going to throw a lot of blitzes and snaps at him and force him (and more importantly a bunch of lineman who have very few snaps together) to adjust. They way to beat stunts and pressure is to run the ball, but the OL are not great run blockers as it is and our backs don't scare anyone. Jones looked good against the Bears, but so did Montgomery last year.
Randy Moss posted:Ted Thompson can have two martinis at lunch tomorrow
reminds me of an old joke:
What do martinis and boobs have in common?
1 is not enough. And
3 is too many.
Henry posted:Hungry5 posted:The most ominous part is that the team said there is a "chance he could miss the rest of the season.”
Clavicle (medical term for collarbone) fractures commonly heal without surgery. Surgery is chosen when the fracture is displaced (out of alignment) or when trying to lessen recovery time.
In my NFL experience I have returned players at four weeks, including a running back.
Last time Rodgers had the left (non-throwing) clavicle broken, in 2013, he did not have surgery and missed seven weeks.Being this is his throwing side, this timetable could be longer.
If the Packers choose to plate the collarbone, that could slightly shorten the time.
I am very hopeful that he will return this season, but it should be expected he will miss a minimum of eight weeks. That would put his return at Week 14.
As I'm learning right now, stem cells.
Pretty rough day for us Packer fans. Stop being a political douche.
Huh?
Henry posted:As I'm learning right now, stem cells.
MichiganPacker posted:If it was his left shoulder, I would say this is a likely timeline. It's obviously his throwing shoulder so even after the bone heals, it's going to take some time to build strength back up in his muscle, etc.
PRP can help muscle recovery.
pablopackerfan posted:Randy Moss posted:Ted Thompson can have two martinis at lunch tomorrow
reminds me of an old joke:
What do martinis and boobs have in common?
1 is not enough. And
3 is too many.
Heh. I've heard a similar saying to describe Manhattans, with one additional line:
Manhattans are like tits: one is not enough, three is too many, two is just right, and four is a party.
Until we know where and how the bone broke, as well as if there are any ligaments involved, we won't know a time table of return.
I had a displaced comminutive distal clavicle fracture earlier this year. Basically that means out of alignment, multiple pieces, end of the bone near the shoulder. These always require surgery and take a long time to heal. Many times there are ligament tears (AC and CC ligaments, etc). Thankfully none of mine tore. Unfortunately there is no gold standard for this kind of fracture and the surgery can be quite invasive to the shoulder. That said these kinds of fractures are rare (5%-10% of cases).
A mid-shaft (medial) fracture is the most common fracture and usually heals on its own fairly quickly. We should all hope this is the kind of fracture Rodgers has because it is the best chance of outcome, especially because it's his throwing shoulder. But if Rodgers has a distal (shoulder end) fracture, it could really affect his recovery and mechanics, especially if ligaments were torn in the process, which is often the case.
I wonder if they will want him to sleep in those oxygen chambers....they help to speed up the recovery process? If I'm the Packers and AR, I would try anything. (Henry's Stem Cells; Native American Remedies; etc.)
Hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) is a medical treatment which enhances the body's natural healing process by inhalation of 100% oxygen in a total body chamber, where atmospheric pressure is increased and controlled. It is used for a wide variety of treatments usually as a part of an overall medical care plan.
Broken Bones:
- Buffaloberry – Used as food and in herbal remedies. Overindulgence can cause severe problems including death.
- White Pine – The inner bark, young shoots, twigs, pitch, and leaves have long been used by Native Americans in medical remedies.
pablopackerfan posted:Henry posted:Hungry5 posted:The most ominous part is that the team said there is a "chance he could miss the rest of the season.”
Clavicle (medical term for collarbone) fractures commonly heal without surgery. Surgery is chosen when the fracture is displaced (out of alignment) or when trying to lessen recovery time.
In my NFL experience I have returned players at four weeks, including a running back.
Last time Rodgers had the left (non-throwing) clavicle broken, in 2013, he did not have surgery and missed seven weeks.Being this is his throwing side, this timetable could be longer.
If the Packers choose to plate the collarbone, that could slightly shorten the time.
I am very hopeful that he will return this season, but it should be expected he will miss a minimum of eight weeks. That would put his return at Week 14.
As I'm learning right now, stem cells.
Pretty rough day for us Packer fans. Stop being a political douche.
Huh?
You're ****ing idiot per usual. Look it up you POS, skidmark of a psycho, split personality ****.
Hungry5 posted:Henry posted:As I'm learning right now, stem cells.
MichiganPacker posted:If it was his left shoulder, I would say this is a likely timeline. It's obviously his throwing shoulder so even after the bone heals, it's going to take some time to build strength back up in his muscle, etc.
PRP can help muscle recovery.
It may be rather forward as there's no indication of long term issues with the fracture. Yet, if my arm and shoulder are my money maker I'm looking at stem cell with PRP.
packerboi posted:+
The Packers are likely looking at a top 12 2018 draft pick.
- Ted Thompson is responsible for making the selection.
BrainDed posted:packerboi posted:+
The Packers are likely looking at a top 12 2018 draft pick.
- Ted Thompson is responsible for making the selection.
He will be on IR by October
vitaflo posted:....
Basically that means out of alignment, multiple pieces, end of the bone near the shoulder. These always require surgery and take a long time to heal.
....
Mine (30+ yrs ago) was "end of the bone near (on!) the shoulder".
I'm sure surgery and technology has progressed, but at the time I was told it couldn't be pinned because of the need to have minimal movement. So I had to wear a harness with a wide shoulder strap and keep it tightened down for weeks.
The hard part was sleeping, the body wants to relax and relieve the pressure.
Stem cells for the bone, PRP for the muscles.