That does raise an important question about scheme vs execution. Also asks about scheme vs. execution vs. talent. Barry? players? Gute? They can't all be bad. Until they wore down after not getting any help from the offense all game, they sure looked good vs. SF last January. That was without Jaire.
And why does it seem the best tacklers have all come from other teams as FA's? Rosul, Campbell, Nixon, Ford, Amos, Preston. Do they not teach tackling in GB?
@Fandame posted:Rodgers has a couple of problems right now: his health; his ego; Love. His thumb and now ribs, combined with his age, say he needs a break; he won't let that happen. His ego won't let him stop playing, even when he's not effective. And Love is on the horizon. Rodgers knows how he got his start after coming in at Dallas and then taking over for Favre; he probably has visions of the same thing happening with Love. If Rodgers sits, there's a chance that Rodgers is Wally Pipped and Love takes over. I'm not saying it's a given, but history sometimes repeats itself in sports.
I think there is very close to zero chance that is going to happen with Love/Rodgers. Regardless, if AR has any chance of playing vs CHI you can bet the house he will. There is probably some uncertainty about his future in GB after this season, by his own hand or others. And he would love nothing more than to beat the Bears in their stadium one last time as a Packer.
@Chongo posted:Not willing to anoint Love just yet. Showed some promise, but needs to put multiple games together, needs to have performance on film so teams can dissect and prepare for him. Needs to have more weapons around him to work with. Bottom line, need more data.
People have been waiting for any tiniest glimmer of hope that Love isn't a bust. But I don't know how anyone comes to the conclusion already that Love is now our future franchise QB after a couple quarters of decent play.
#Packers QB Jordan Love: “That’s the moment I’ve been preparing for this whole season. You never know when it’ll come. Especially in a game like this - my mindset was ‘let’s go win. Let’s go make a comeback and go win’. Don’t make it be like ‘a backup’s in - game’s over.’”
— Kyle Malzhan (@KyleMalzhan) November 28, 2022
One thing that was immediately apparent when Love came in was the balls were zippy and perfect spirals. Just not something we've seen as much from AR since his thumb has been injured.
I remember when the knock on Love is that he was throwing ducks and that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. He was throwing darts last night.
@DH13 posted:People have been waiting for any tiniest glimmer of hope that Love isn't a bust. But I don't know how anyone comes to the conclusion already that Love is now our future franchise QB after a couple quarters of decent play.
This. I know knee-jerk reactions are fashionable, but people seem to forget HoF QBs don't grow on trees. You know who RsTFB with middling QB talent? The Badgers, and they have a better (for level) defense.
Be very careful wishing for a QB change because most teams' fans have a better perspective on it.
It's great he did what he did last night. It shows he's got it in him. The next step is consistency.
Yes- one thing I wonder about phi bringing pressure is if they were limited because of 9 burning right past them. It is 100% true that fast guys really change how you play defence against them. So my point is 10 was more comfortable back there because the pressure was manageable
Strange but I'm not upset after last night's game. I'm actually encouraged after a tough loss.
Love and Watson have a high ceiling and bring excitement. Our running game duo is amazing. We have defensive talent and depth. The problems there I believe are correctable with a change in DC.
What you do with 12 if he continues to decline and 10 gains confidence, is an interesting dilemma
Biggest thing I saw out of Love was his eyes weren't bugging out of his head. He handled the situation well
The negatives were obvious and plentiful.
The positives?
AJ Dillon ran like a man possessed. He should have gotten a few more carries.
Aaron Jones showed off his great hands except for the laser from Love.
Speaking of Love, he looked great. Really small sample size but maybe he gets a full game on Sunday.
Looks like we have a real KO returner now. Was trying to remember who was returning punts but I don't know if they punted more than once last night.
Watson continues to show he's the big play guy this offense needs. Will be fun watching him and Doubs going forward.
@bdplant posted:Which is exactly why Love should play the rest of the season.
Agree. They're not mathematically out of the playoffs, but nobody needs to be good at math to see the Packers are going nowhere in the post season this year.
@PackerHawk posted:
snipAJ Dillon ran like a man possessed. He should have gotten a few more carries.
snip
towards the end of the game, he was limping to the sideline. Does anyone know his status yet? (i honestly don't remember if he came back after that)
I missed that. He did take a few pretty good shots last night.
Pluses
Love looked good. It was part of one game, but he looked like he belonged. Nice, tight spirals with some zip. It seems Clements has made a positive impact on him.
Watson, wow. If he can stay healthy and concentrate on his catches, he could be great. He should start seeing double teams, so we'll see how that goes.
Dillon and Jones doing their thang.
Offensive line played well, minus a few plays by Runyan.
Minuses
Not going to spend a lot of writing on this. Much has been said already about our defensive woes, but I'm focusing on the mystery of what happened to these guys. How does a talented defense fall so far? We know they can be dominant, but they haven't this year. Even when Gary, Stokes and Campbell were in. Missed tackles are mainly due to lack of heart. They know how to tackle, they know proper technique, they just don't want to do it. That's on coaching, Barry has lost this group. Why or how, I have no idea, but unless there's a change at DC, there won't be a lot of improvement on defense.
That shows the team is holding people accountable for performance, which in turn should be a warning to guys slacking that they better pick up their game too. We need a DC that's known for teaching hard-nosed, tough, smart defense and holds the players accountable.
If MLF is any kind of coach, he fires Barry today. Send a message or suffer the consequences. This was not a one-game anomaly, this is a season long and career long pattern. Fix it.
@PackerHawk posted:I missed that. He did take a few pretty good shots last night.
As did I. Makes the losing more tolerable.
I regret that MLF didn't choose Evero (who then went to Denver) instead of Barry.
Denver's coaches may be available at the end of the season.
@Fedya posted:I regret that MLF didn't choose Evero (who then went to Denver) instead of Barry.
Denver's coaches may be available at the end of the season.
Or before
The things that were most bothersome to me:
Signs of a really bad team. The record speaks for itself.
@Harry Manback posted:Minuses
Not going to spend a lot of writing on this. Much has been said already about our defensive woes, but I'm focusing on the mystery of what happened to these guys. How does a talented defense fall so far? We know they can be dominant, but they haven't this year. Even when Gary, Stokes and Campbell were in. Missed tackles are mainly due to lack of heart. They know how to tackle, they know proper technique, they just don't want to do it. That's on coaching, Barry has lost this group. Why or how, I have no idea, but unless there's a change at DC, there won't be a lot of improvement on defense.
That shows the team is holding people accountable for performance, which in turn should be a warning to guys slacking that they better pick up their game too. We need a DC that's known for teaching hard-nosed, tough, smart defense and holds the players accountable.
If MLF is any kind of coach, he fires Barry today. Send a message or suffer the consequences. This was not a one-game anomaly, this is a season long and career long pattern. Fix it.
Bingo!! So tired of MLF ALWAYS referring to "scheme", "putting players in the best position", "plan", etc. instead of "we have to be physically and mentally tougher", "we got dominated up front", etc. This is what Wahle was talking about ... MLF is all about the scheme, the plan, instead of motivating each individual to win their match up.
Imagine calling this holding?? 🤨 #ComeOnMan pic.twitter.com/g0EGuVDcfu
— WeAreBigGuys (@WeAreBigGuys) November 28, 2022
Kurt Benkert- Aaron Rodgers apologist
These are the trust throws that people are begging for. Lots of slander all over but this one isn’t warranted. Have to go as flat as needed to cross the safeties face on a thru route. Ran it like it was traditional 3 deep zone. Just what I see. 🫡 pic.twitter.com/UQYle1MGLm
— Kurt Benkert (@KurtBenkert) November 28, 2022
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Imagine calling this holding?? 🤨 #ComeOnMan pic.twitter.com/g0EGuVDcfu
— WeAreBigGuys (@WeAreBigGuys) November 28, 2022
Arms fully extended pancake block, Not allowed in the NFL
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story...-sunday-lafleur-says
LaFleur made it clear that he wasn't considering a change to the defensive staff at this point despite continued struggles from Barry's unit.
"We're not going to go down that road," LaFleur said. "So, again, if I thought there was an issue there, then I would certainly, we'd make the change. But we work as a staff and collectively we're all in this sucker together and it's never just one person. It's never one person. It starts with myself and then it goes to our assistant coaches and then our players."
If I thought there was an issue?
you’re f$$king blind if you don’t see an issue
sheesh.
MLF should be fired today if he was dumb enough to make that statement.
I didn’t watch the game (why bother) but allowing 350 yards rushing? That’s bad. Historically bad. I’ll bet in the history of this franchise it’s top 5 all time. Yet Barry is safe?
Fuck MLF and his pretty boy stupid ass comments. His staff has failed over and over again yet you defend these morons?
Honestly, fire them all. They are completely inept or in over their heads.
They targeted 7 and he was a disaster in this game. He should quit football after that performance. Gute fucked up big time not trading up to get Wilson or Olave.
Why the fuck do fans get so bent out of shape with soundbites.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Kurt Benkert- Aaron Rodgers apologist
These are the trust throws that people are begging for. Lots of slander all over but this one isn’t warranted. Have to go as flat as needed to cross the safeties face on a thru route. Ran it like it was traditional 3 deep zone. Just what I see. 🫡 pic.twitter.com/UQYle1MGLm
— Kurt Benkert (@KurtBenkert) November 28, 2022
Benkert obviously knows as much about how this offense is supposed to be run as anyone not currently on the team. I thought this was just a terrible interception when this happened yesterday, but after reading this from Benkert thought about it and couldn't remember any other time that a safety undercut a route for an interception off of Rodgers from this deep.
The bigger question is why is Tyler Davis still on the team? If Benkert is right, this lack of attention to detail is what should get guys on the fringe of the roster cut. He was terrible in the preseason, but they had talked him up so much in the preseason it was like he was related to someone on the coaching staff. Isn't there a TE on someone's practice squad with some potential that you could at least see how they did in your system?
I'd prefer to believe that Rodgers, who apologized to Mayo yesterday for not being able to gut it out more, is a teamwrecker who forgot how to throw a football.
Yes, this is the way
For real?
The fact he even addressed it publicly makes him unfit to coach the team. “If I thought it were an issue I’d make a change?” “it’s never one person”
Um OK.
If the Packers had an owner he would have been canned within 10 minutes of making those idiotic comments.
All he had to say was “I’m not going to comment on my staff nor make decisions based on questions from the media”
In other words, at least give the appearance you are in charge and in control.
@Harry Manback posted:If MLF is any kind of coach, he fires Barry today. Send a message or suffer the consequences. This was not a one-game anomaly, this is a season long and career long pattern. Fix it.
There is no doubt Barry needs to be replaced, but he's merely just a below average defensive coordinator relative to many in the league. He performed at a very competent level last year. The Packers had one of the most embarrassing defensive efforts of the season last night against a team without any real superstar RBs (and while Hurts is good. in the run game, it's not like he's Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson). Having said that, it's the first time the Packers defense gave up more than 27 points all year. Overall, they are 22nd in the league in points allowed per game. and 16th in defense yardage allowed. Last night was a total embarrassment and they have underachieved, but for the most part they have not been totally incompetent.
Compare that to Drayton and special teams last year. There were high school football coaches on Twitter diagramming how inept his schemes and coaching concepts were last year during the season. The 49ers, who had some of the worst special teams in the league, went into the playoff game telling Aikman and Buck they thought could make some plays against the Packers units. MLF told Aikman and Buck that he just hoped his special teams didn't lose the game for him. The return units were terrible last year and the Packers couldn't execute basic FG snaps and holds and screwed up the performance of the most consistent placekicker in Packers history. Drayton's units were last in the league by a large margin. They were awful from early in the season on and there were calls to replace Drayton during the bye week because you could have hired 10 guys off the street with previous special teams coaching experience on short notice that would have likely improved the performance. Instead, MLF let that clown show go on for the whole season until it got them eliminated in the playoffs (despite everything else, the Packers win that playoff game without giving up a blocked punt for a TD).
If MLF eventually gets fired in a few years, the 2021 special teams units should be Exhibit A as to why.
4-8
Embrace the suck. Or keep the faith?
You choose. Or just keep posting dumb ass images with comments. Oh I’m whining. Gee that’s original and fresh. And yes I used “gee” just because it’s as lame as your rebuttal.
Nothing whiny about stating facts and reality for weeks but hey feel free to own the “everything is fine” narrative. If cognitive dissonance is your deal go ahead and take another step and own that as well.
This team is messed up and changes are needed. Quit trying to rationalize it unless you are ammo’s long lost brother.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Imagine calling this holding?? 🤨 #ComeOnMan pic.twitter.com/g0EGuVDcfu
— WeAreBigGuys (@WeAreBigGuys) November 28, 2022
It was a great block. Ridiculous call.
@Tschmack posted:I didn’t watch the game (why bother) but allowing 350 yards rushing? That’s bad. Historically bad. I’ll bet in the history of this franchise it’s top 5 all time. Yet Barry is safe?
They targeted 7 and he was a disaster in this game. He should quit football after that performance. Gute fucked up big time not trading up to get Wilson or Olave.
So you didn't watch the game but you know they targeted Walker and he was a disaster. You sir are either a liar on the level of Trump or you think nobody would notice your post.
@MichiganPacker posted:There is no doubt Barry needs to be replaced, but he's merely just a below average defensive coordinator relative to many in the league. He performed at a very competent level last year.
They were performing pretty poorly last year until MLF reportedly told him to get his shit together and be more aggressive and play more man.
@Tschmack posted:You choose. Or just keep posting dumb ass images with comments. Oh I’m whining. Gee that’s original and fresh. And yes I used “gee” just because it’s as lame as your rebuttal.
It's a good bet that Barry nepotismed his way into a lot of jobs. I haven't watched all the in week PCs he's done this year, but I have noticed he seems to have no worries when he's at the podium. It's one thing to maintain an even (Blair) keel- don't get too high over the highs and too low over the lows- but this guy answers questions like he knows he's in good and can just bullshit his way out of any turbulence. We all know people like this. You can bet your life that his type always manages to acquire some personal rapport with exactly the right people.
Others have mentioned Pettine being forced on MLF. It's the 2nd DC and the first hired by MLF to fail in 4 years. This is a huge component in the mismanagement going on at 1265. I know coaching changes are inevitable and the league is flush with subpar assistants. But the lack of consistency of the process is destroying this team right now. MLF hired the guy. MLF should be on the hook for that hire, especially since the downturn is off the Richter scale. Either dole out autonomy or hold your head coaches hand in every decision that's made. Many less impactful reasons have been talked about in the previous 3 years of MLF's tenure.The past 3 exits from the playoffs have shown far more impactful and glaring holes in the way this team is being run. It's now culminated in total free fall.
If the guy had to be ordered to jettison Drayton, and now his own handpicked DC has failed in such epic proportion, it's become pretty clear that he's not a guy who can address issues in a way that forces accountability. At 4-8, it's gotten much more difficult to diagnose just what MLF is even good at as the captain of this ship.
Drives me nuts to hear Barry and MLF consistently refer to players by their nicknames ... "smash", "Ja", "Robbie", etc. you ARE NOT their teammate, their buddy ... you are their COACH. I know you are coaching men, but you can't be on the same level.
