This team and this organization needs fresh ideas, new attitudes, new messages, and some serious influx of talent and speed at WR, RB, and TE. Unfortunately, they also still have gaping holes at ILB that have yet to be addressed and OL help as well. It's a lot to fill in a single 2016 draft from a GM who almost never looks to fill those outside of it. And the frosting on top is having a HC who also seems to have paralyzing fear to anything that resembles real change (e.g. firing coaches, benching players, etc)

Maybe Bill Walsh was right when he opined that no head coach should be with the same team for over 10 years.

Aaron Rodgers: Packers will show up “when it matters for all of the marbles”

Well Aaron, the cardinal game was a marbley game with lots on the line, I dont recall the Pack showing up Sunday December 27th 2015--on yeah, wait, that was last night.

Quote from Pro Football Talk

Dysfunction junction.

I said it when they were 6-0. I'm saying it again. This team has NO SPEED on the offensive side of the ball. Receivers can't run. TE cant run. RBs can't run. Watching AR's presser it was asked how difficult it is to run the offense with ONE safety deep. Think about that: every team now plays man to man with an extra guy in the box because there is NO ONE that can run by a corner. Have you ever heard of that before?

And here is where I get lambasted. I blame Ted Thompson. When does he have to answer for no OL depth, no ILB, no TE, no speed at WR, and no help in sight? He gets a lot of credit for finding that "diamond in the rough", but what about all of his early round busts?

This OL is patched together. But is Sitton still a Pro Bowl caliber guard? He has to sit out a practice or two every week with his back. Lang? You never know week to week. Bulaga is playing on one leg for 2 years. But look at their replacements.

This team is what it is. They're one Hail Mary from being 3-6 the last 9 games. Other teams watch film. Play 8 in the box, man up one on one, because there's no one that can get deep. No one.

Which brings up another question as to why Ted Thompson paid a guy 9+ million a year (Cobb) that is only valuable if he has someone else that can open up the field for him. He's a gimmick guy. Jesus Christ, they have to put him in the backfield and hand it off to him just to get the ball in his hands!!!

Ted Thompson has to answer some questions. I know the Pollyannas will crucify me for questioning Saint Ted, but it is what it is. This team, even with one of the best QBs of all time, is just average. Someone has to own it.

This team right now Anti is not average

ScareyFast63 posted:

Aaron Rodgers: Packers will show up “when it matters for all of the marbles”

Quote from Pro Football Talk

Pikes Peak posted:

This team right now Anti is not average

Point taken.

Positives:

 I liked the call to fake the punt and the game is over

Negatives:

This one went about as well as I thought it would

Where are the play calls such as quick slants, screen plays, etc.?  You have to do something to keep them on their toes defensively.

I honestly haven't seen this level of prolonged ineptitude on offense in GB since probably when Randy Wright was under center. 

This "their record could be/should be worse" argument is so stupid. You are what your record says you are. They didn't win 10 games by accident. They are better than the team behind them in the rankings, because they have beaten many of them, but not as good as the team's at the top. This team is 10-5 because they deserve to be 10-5, they don't deserve to be 0-15, 3-12, 6-9 or whatever. 

Our rookie corners did great on coverage taking away the long ball Palmer likes. But MM did not call screens and slants to make them pay for the rush or do anything we haven't seen before. Pathetic

ScareyFast63 posted:

Aaron Rodgers: Packers will show up “when it matters for all of the marbles”

Pros:

Fake Punt

Pennel looking like Reggie White by throwing the offensive lineman on that one play (Boy could we use a dominant guy like Reggie)

Negs:

Matthews and Peppers combining for one total tackle and zero sacks while eating up $20M in Salary this year. 

Leaders not leading on the field. Not sure who the leaders are on this team quite frankly. 

Iron posted:

Pros:

Pennel looking like Reggie White by throwing the offensive lineman on that one play (Boy could we use a dominant guy like Reggie)

Yes sir. 

Player ratings from the JSO. Ugh.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...779z1-363699321.html

The whole "speed" thing is getting blown out of proportion. Don't get me wrong, you need to have some but having a team full of burners isn't resulting in a Lombardi. 

When the Packers rose to prominence under Wolf, there wasn't a ton of speed on those rosters. Levens, Bennett, Chmura, Freeman, Jackson weren't noted for being that fast. They were smart, grind it out kind of guys.

Certainly the game has changed a bit but not dramatically. If receivers were catching balls and running backs not fumbling this would not be an issue.

+1 Renaldo Nehemiah

In JSO comments, "Rodgers is playing like Uncle Rico."��������

Speed on offense isn't the problem. What's plaguing GB this year has come up before even with Jordy in the lineup. Teams with a good front 4 would press the WR's at the line, rush 4, drop 7, and frustrate Aaron. Giants, Bills, 49ers, Seattle. Jordy has struggled with press coverage as well. Without Jordy it's not hard for pretty much every team to employ this strategy on GB. 

MM is all about guy's winning their specific 1 on 1 battle. Doesn't matter if it's Cobb, Adams, Walker, Barclay, or Linsley. His expectation is you have to beat your man without any help. Admirable stuff. But the last 7 weeks don't lie. Cobb, Adams, and Jones are good WR's if they have a #1 reciever playing in front of them. If not those three become easily neutralized running vertical route trees against press coverage. Let's be honest. The only outside route that's worked at all the past three games has been the back shoulder to Jones. Not exactly cutting edge route concepts. This team has also shot itself in the nads by dropping a lot of balls this year. 

So you have Aaron, "Mike, we don't have the skillset to attack defenses the way you want to attack them"

And you have Mike, "STFU and man up. You are a pro in the NFL. I'm not asking you to change the world. I'm asking you to beat the guy in front of you"

The one place I think this team is seriously speed challenged. MLB. Green Bay has to get faster inside in 2016. 

Our lack of speed changes everything. Without fear of giving up big plays on the outside in the passing game, defenses can play tight press coverage with one high safety & 7-8 in the box. This takes away many things: 1) Easy, quick passes to WRs with a chance to break tackles 2) Our run game 3) Crossing routes in the middle of the field. It appears our best bet is passing to receivers out of the backfield. This is where most of our "big plays" have come. We have however left many yards on the field on these plays, when lineman miss blocks, or our RBs are not elusive enough to break opportunities. In addition, defenses have more players that can "rally" to the ball since they do not have to assign an extra defender deep. 

Chillijon is right, we did see some of the same difficulties even when Jordy played, from teams deep enough with cover guys. However I think with Jordy what those teams did was still play a 2 deep shell, which still gave us some opportunities to run the ball & throw to the TE. By playing the same press coverage & only 1 safety, it takes away even those opportunities. 

Uncle Rico

FLPACKER posted:

Our lack of speed changes everything. Without fear of giving up big plays on the outside in the passing game, defenses can play tight press coverage with one high safety & 7-8 in the box. This takes away many things: 1) Easy, quick passes to WRs with a chance to break tackles 2) Our run game 3) Crossing routes in the middle of the field. It appears our best bet is passing to receivers out of the backfield. This is where most of our "big plays" have come. We have however left many yards on the field on these plays, when lineman miss blocks, or our RBs are not elusive enough to break opportunities. In addition, defenses have more players that can "rally" to the ball since they do not have to assign an extra defender deep. 

Funny, no one was complaining about lack of speed after last year. 

Besides Cobb, what receiver has lined up out of the backfield? 

Maybe I missed it but when did Cobb have a huge play out of the backfield?

Orlando Wolf posted:

Besides Cobb, what receiver has lined up out of the backfield? 

Ty Montgomery

ChilliJon posted:

MM is all about guy's winning their specific 1 on 1 battle. Doesn't matter if it's Cobb, Adams, Walker, Barclay, or Linsley. His expectation is you have to beat your man without any help. Admirable stuff. But the last 7 weeks don't lie.

A few comments from yesterday.

"We've got to be able to one-on-one block," Sitton said. "If you get help, great, but this offense is based on one-on-one blocks."

It seems, however, that the lambasting of Rodgers, who endured eight of the nine total sacks, may have convinced the coaching staff to tailor the protection scheme. Offensive coordinator Edgar Bennett, speaking in his news conference Monday, openly admitted the need for change.

"I think certainly given the situation last night, we made certain adjustments, but we need to do even more," Bennett said. "That's something that was a topic of today, and we made our corrections. That's a lesson learned moving forward."

"Without getting into our scheme," Bennett said, "we'll do certain things to put our players in the best position to win."

Said McCarthy: "How can we help that situation better? And that's how you pay that forward or you apply that forward and got to do whatever you need to do to not let that happen again."

I'll believe it when I see it.

The one player that I'd like to know more about is Ripkowski.  Maybe it is taking him a while to grab hold of the offense but he seems to be someone that could help the team running the ball in short yardage situations and pass protect.

If there had been 'only' 5 sacks would these 'adjustments ' have been made?

Phil posted:

Orlando Wolf posted:

Besides Cobb, what receiver has lined up out of the backfield? 

Ty Montgomery

Appreciate it.

They have all lined up out of the backfield, Cobb and Monty have lined up in the backfield.  I think.

Orlando Wolf posted:

FLPACKER posted:

Our lack of speed changes everything. Without fear of giving up big plays on the outside in the passing game, defenses can play tight press coverage with one high safety & 7-8 in the box. This takes away many things: 1) Easy, quick passes to WRs with a chance to break tackles 2) Our run game 3) Crossing routes in the middle of the field. It appears our best bet is passing to receivers out of the backfield. This is where most of our "big plays" have come. We have however left many yards on the field on these plays, when lineman miss blocks, or our RBs are not elusive enough to break opportunities. In addition, defenses have more players that can "rally" to the ball since they do not have to assign an extra defender deep. 

Funny, no one was complaining about lack of speed after last year. 

 

 

Did you read the posts? With Nelson playing, people were not playing one high safety, if they did use press coverage it was backed by a 2 deep shell. 

Is Clements not doing press any more since the demotion?

Nope. Get your nuts cut off, I wouldn't want to talk to the media either - if it is his choice.

FLPACKER posted:

Orlando Wolf posted:

FLPACKER posted:

Our lack of speed changes everything. Without fear of giving up big plays on the outside in the passing game, defenses can play tight press coverage with one high safety & 7-8 in the box. This takes away many things: 1) Easy, quick passes to WRs with a chance to break tackles 2) Our run game 3) Crossing routes in the middle of the field. It appears our best bet is passing to receivers out of the backfield. This is where most of our "big plays" have come. We have however left many yards on the field on these plays, when lineman miss blocks, or our RBs are not elusive enough to break opportunities. In addition, defenses have more players that can "rally" to the ball since they do not have to assign an extra defender deep. 

Funny, no one was complaining about lack of speed after last year. 

 

 

Did you read the posts? With Nelson playing, people were not playing one high safety, if they did use press coverage it was backed by a 2 deep shell. 

Yeah, I read them.  Nelson isn't just a fast player though.  He is an all-around great receiver that rarely drops balls.  

Point being that if Adams was catching balls, Janis was running correct routes, Cobb being healthy and Abbrederis being healthy the production would be a lot better.  It's deeper than pointing to lack of speed.

OK, I'm with you, not just Nelson's speed, but his ability to make difficult catches when contested.