Raji

Definitely should let him go. He's not getting better, he's getting worse. Giving him a fat contract will only cause him to be even less motivated. He was one of the WORST DLineman in NFL when it came to stopping the run this year

 

Pack would be wise to spend the money elsewhere. Can't be giving out extensions/overpaying for marginal talent. They already gave Brad Jones a bad extension, they have Hawk locked up and they just locked up Burnett who looked bad this year. Can't do it again. Let Raji walk

Gee....I don't think anyone has even given this a thought

Who ?

If they don't sign Raji then they better draft a big guy in May. Cause while Raji has been pathetic, they don't have anyone his size to stuff up the middle...especially with Pickett and Jolly hitting free agency. 

Let the fat fk get 10mil a year with some sh1tbox franchise like the Queens.

Thanks for the memories...

 

So long, farewell...

 

 

Especially since I think pick is done and jolly is old and at best a rotational guy. With Raji gone and most likely pick and jolly that leaves us short on a lot of beef. 

I won't lie, when I heard the Pack offered Raji that 8 mil a year contract, it made me start to wonder if TT has lost touch with this team a bit.  I know he likes to keep his own guys but wow, this guy hasn't played well in 3 years and you want to give him a blockbuster deal?  They are DAMN lucky he turned that contract offer down.

if they don't sign Raji and lose Pickett, Jolly and Wilson....I'm not sure how they expect the run defense to be any better. 

Draft and develop baby 

I'm not sure he isn't doing something the coaches love but we can't fathom. Like Hawk. He plays more snaps than any other interior DL by far and there is has been concern for a few seasons that he gets worn down. And like Hawk he's always out there for us to complain about.

 

He might be as tired of the Packers defensive scheme as we are him. If he leaves make sure he takes Brad Jones with him.

Mike Daniels had more sacks today than Raji has had in the last two years.

We could use about 3 more Mike Daniels types on the DL.   Hopefully we can take Datone's pic off the milk carton next year.

And for the love of God someone call ****ing holding.   Daniels gets held more then a newborn

Mike Daniels was awesome this year. Made a big leap from year 1 to year 2. I'd expect the same from Datone Jones.

 

I think Datone Jones was the first rookie we've had in a while that wasn't on IR.

 

...he'll probably break both his ankles next year...

Ted has a number he will sign Raji at, it probably is not the reported 8 million they offered. Then again maybe that 8 million number is something Raji's agent generated.

Never say never, he might be back.

 

Hard to get injured on the sidelines.

He had 8 tackles and 3 assists, so ample opportunity to get injured the way things have been going for this team. 

 

 

TT hasn't done well with LBers. Giving Hawk an extension, then Brad Jones

Another angle to this is if there are indeed any coaching changes on defense, namely DC. If Raji is re-signed, they better have different plans for him at the least.

I still am confident Raji is a good player, but if he is 'tanking' it because he's unhappy in his role, I don't want him on the team. Take that piss poor attitude elsewhere. Otherwise, I would expect a modest contract, commensurate with his production. There's no way he can command Top-5/Top-10 pay, and I doubt he'll get that from anybody. Somebody may surely pay more than what Green Bay offers, but today's salary cap has ended the Haynesworth-type deals for good, IMHO.

Yep!

3 bad contracts on D.  Burnett, Jones, and Hawk..  Some might include Tramon as well.. Can't afford to overpay again.

 

We need to gut the middle of the D. All 6 players are weak.. Raji, Pick, Hakw, Jones, Burnett, and Jennings.  Pathetic middle.

I agree--that you can't overpay..but Raji does what an NT in a 3-4 is supposed to do...unfortunately we don't have above average linebackers to take advantage of it....I don't believe the 49ers NT registered a tackle yesterday---but they shutdown the Packers by properly utilizing the wall Dorsey and others provided. 

Its a 3-4 defense. That's part of it. Its the reason Raji will be re-signed. Its the reason there won't be more like Daniels who does not play in the base defense. Its the reason TT can't draft the same way on defense that he can on offense. The styles and abilities of Lacy, Starks, Cobb, Boykins, etc are different. But effective. The OL have played multiple positions. But the Packers have to pass on defensive players because "he isn't a 3-4 DE, DT or LB". Its why they have to reach for players like Nick Perry, who isn't an OLB but a good situational pass rusher who would probably be better in a 3-point stance. The prototypical 3-4 LB just got a $66 million dollar extension. Its one of the differences between the 49'ers, who play multiple fronts well, and the Packers.

 

Its theraputic to rant about Capers, Raji etc. but its a good bet they come back.

Sick and tired of hearing that Raji does what a 3-4 NT is supposed to do. If he does, and that is a big IF, he does it worse than most. The stats speak for themselves and I have posted the numbers of guys playing 3-4 nt before. Raji blows

To be fair to Raji, I did see him fall on Frank Gore once yesterday.

Raji graded out as one of the 5 worst DLineman vs the run this year according to PFF

 

He's getting worse, not better...and this is happening when he's playing for a new contract.

If Raji can be had for a reasonable price, keep him. He's much better than that muppet CJ Wilson and we kept him around. 

 

But I gather he's going to want big money, and some dumdum GM will be willing to give it to him. Just as long as it's not our dumdum I'm happy.

       
Well if he's doing what a 3-4 NT is suppose to be doing then he's really screwing up because he plays DE and in my opinion he's playing outta position and that's why he's no longer effective, put him back at Nose and just MAYBE he might be a great player again...MAYBE

Raji will NEVER be a great player

I believe there was a post showing a total of 17 tackles for the season by Raji.

If that's correct, this has to be a record for a DL v.s. amount plays. DPOY baby!

I understand his role. The problem I have, is our lack of a pass rush. I watched him being one blocked all night. Make a move, do something. There is noway they should pay him $8 mil a year. Find a veteran that could plug the middle. Without a push, the 3-4 is useless. We need defensive help!

<caption>Defense</caption>

PLAYER	TOT	SOLO	ASSIST	SCK	F
						A.J. Hawk	118	74	44	5.0	1
Tramon Williams	83	61	22	2.5	2
Morgan Burnett	96	60	36	0.0	0
Brad Jones	84	60	24	3.0	1
M.D. Jennings	74	56	18	1.0	0
Sam Shields	61	51	10	0.0	0
Micah Hyde	55	41	14	1.0	1
Davon House	44	36	8	1.0	0
Mike Neal	47	36	11	5.0	1
Clay Matthews	41	26	15	7.5	3
Jamari Lattimore	35	24	11	2.0	1
Nick Perry	28	20	8	4.0	3
Chris Banjo	19	17	2	0.0	0
Mike Daniels	23	17	6	6.5	0
Jerron McMillian	15	15	0	0.0	0
Andy Mulumba	30	15	15	1.0	0
Ryan Pickett	19	15	4	0.0	0
B.J. Raji	17	12	5	0.0	0
Johnny Jolly	21	11	10	1.0	0
Jarrett Bush	13	10	3	0.0	0
Sean Richardson	13	10	3	0.0	0
Nate Palmer	17	8	9	0.0	0
Brandon Bostick	9	7	2	0.0	0
Datone Jones	10	7	3	3.5	0
Josh Boyd	6	5	1	0.0	0
Casey Hayward	8	5	3	0.0	0
C.J. Wilson	8	5	3	0.0	0
Victor Aiyewa	4	4	0	0.0	0
Tim Masthay	4	4	0	0.0	0
Jarrett Boykin	3	3	0	0.0	0
Johnathan Franklin	3	3	0	0.0	0
Brett Goode	3	3	0	0.0	0
T.J. Lang	3	3	0	0.0	0
Andrew Quarless	3	3	0	0.0	0
Sam Barrington	2	2	0	0.0	0
Randall Cobb	2	2	0	0.0	1
John Kuhn	2	2	0	0.0	0
Eddie Lacy	2	2	0	0.0	0
Ryan Taylor	2	2	0	0.0	0
Mason Crosby	2	1	1	0.0	0
Jermichael Finley	1	1	0	0.0	0
Matt Flynn	1	1	0	0.0	0
Rob Francois	2	1	1	0.0	1
Chris Harper	1	1	0	0.0	0
Jordy Nelson	1	1	0	0.0	0
Jake Stoneburner	1	1	0	0.0	0

 

OK, tell me what you see in this chart?  A lot of the big money is not producing (r underproducing) and needs restructuring or replacement.  The DBs are making far too many tackles, as opposed to the DL and OLBs, meaning OLinemen are hitting the second level far too quickly and allowing big runs.  Cripes, Andy Malumba almost matched the output of Nick Perry and Clay Matthews and only cost the Packedrs $15.95/year and a can of Spam.  Yes, there is trouble across the board.  Strategic upgrades will also make some players better.  Just some food for thought and discussion.

It's really surprising to me that so many people here think Raji is doing his job well enough.    If you watch the games over and just focus on line play, you will see him getting single blocked more often than not.   When that happens, it's vital for him to be able to disengage because a Olinemen is now free to get to the ILB.

 

His job is to be good enough to require a consistent double team..  That is not happening and it becomes simple math at that point.  5 on 5 inside with 2 guys having nearly 50 pound edge or more on our ILB's.

 

If the nose gets doubled, we have free ILB that can find the ball. 

I hope Raji never steps on the field again as a Green Bay Packer.  During the game I saw him getting blocked multiple times by one guy.  A guy his size should be able to escape a block from one individual.  He doesn't.  Fat and lazy, it seems.

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OK, tell me what you see in this chart?

I see that Jordy Nelson isn't producing enough sacks. 

(I presume he's on the list because he tackled somebody after an INT or fumble.  And some of them look to be special teamers.)

Did anyone see the quote from Tramon Williams about the defense? Something along the lines of our defense needing some veterans. Deion Sanders also had a good point, The Packers really missed Woodson this year.

I like Raji---Stats are misleading--if you look at the defensive stats above---They should erect a 100 foot statue of AJ Hawk towering over Lombardi and Lambeau...Raji's had less snaps in passing downs.It shows in our inability to collapse  the pocket--the same coordinator that let Mulumba play with no legs let this happen for a whole season...I think that Coordinator is done. Teams do  continue to double team Raji because they are aware of the YAC they get with our ILBs...If you like stats, I see he was rated number 7 last year and part of his rating this year is about less snaps...you want to rip on a performer let's go to Morgan Burnett..what a tough year...culminated with his inability to break on the lolly pop thrown to Davis---Hey Morgan--That's AJ Hawk one on one with Davis---I think you might shade that way ---that was the ball game...Capers is done and with him will go his version of the 3-4...depending on who they have in mind for DC will depend on whether they keep a 337 pound nose tackle that can move like Raji....I pay him--he's a high quality person who will play after getting paid....see also Joe johnson, Jamal Reynolds, not paying Cullen Junkins etc etc etc.

I bet they resign Raji.