JAGs across the line.
So if you don't like the 7th round pick compensation for Smith.
How would you feel today if they had traded Smith for Malik Willis back in August?
Does getting a 7th Round pick for Preston have any adverse affect on whether the Packers move someone off the PS.? Is this now Mosby's spot to fill?
Okay, you football geniuses, riddle me this:
1. In addition to helping with the money situation, do you think this was a “shot across the bow” at the D to either get some pressure on the QB or else?
2. Is the lack of push by, well, pretty much everyone this year, attributable to the change to a 4-3? Or some of Hafley’s schemes? In general the D has been much better under Hafley, but they sure don’t generate any pressure on the QB.
Thanks Preston, you gave us some good years. I do like the idea of getting some of the younger guys more playing time and saving some cap money, though. And let’s face it, there are a LOT of guys that we have spent a lot of draft capital on that are not giving us much return on our investment this year. I’m talking about the DL and LB’s.
@RoyalWulff posted:Okay, you football geniuses, riddle me this:
1. In addition to helping with the money situation, do you think this was a “shot across the bow” at the D to either get some pressure on the QB or else?
2. Is the lack of push by, well, pretty much everyone this year, attributable to the change to a 4-3? Or some of Hafley’s schemes? In general the D has been much better under Hafley, but they sure don’t generate any pressure on the QB.
Thanks Preston, you gave us some good years. I do like the idea of getting some of the younger guys more playing time and saving some cap money, though. And let’s face it, there are a LOT of guys that we have spent a lot of draft capital on that are not giving us much return on our investment this year. I’m talking about the DL and LB’s.
1. No. I think this was a chance to drop salary for this year, get younger (again), and a recognition by Gute that this team is still a year away from being a really serious SB contender.
2. Some of it is, sure, but in this league you cannot just send four snap after snap and expect to consistently generate pressure. That's not going to happen. Just using four DL consistently means guys get tired, banged up, and frustrated by being stymied with little help all day. When all you send is four, there are automatically five guys waiting for them, and a TE and RB to help as well. The OL can just set up and wait for the DL to come to them because they know they have them outnumbered. While the D has been better, Hafley needs to be more creative to add some juice.
Preston was good Packer people. I wish nothing but the best for him.
@Fandame posted:Preston was good Packer people. I wish nothing but the best for him.
100%
MLF has said in multiple pressers that most teams now chip the edge rushers with backs / tight ends. Takes me back to the bad old days of Don Barclay being at RT and McCarthy refusing to help him because he didn't want to reduce eligible receivers from getting up field. The genius never realized that they could still get out as check downs even after chipping.
Preston was almost invisible in Hafley's D. I think the move to the 4-3 took away whatever edge he played with. I wish him well, in Pittsburgh.
When he's back to covering WR1 he will be right as rain.
With this move, Gute needs to pick up another DB.
Terrific signing by Gutey and wish him the best in Pittsburgh.
I know it seems inexplicable but this D is still another draft/offseason or two away. Because of the scheme change if nothing else.
@Fandame posted:2. Some of it is, sure, but in this league you cannot just send four snap after snap and expect to consistently generate pressure. That's not going to happen. Just using four DL consistently means guys get tired, banged up, and frustrated by being stymied with little help all day. When all you send is four, there are automatically five guys waiting for them, and a TE and RB to help as well. The OL can just set up and wait for the DL to come to them because they know they have them outnumbered. While the D has been better, Hafley needs to be more creative to add some juice.
The teams that win Super Bowls often have elite defensive lineman that allow them to be able to generate pressure while rushing 4. Reggie White. Michael Strahan. Aaron Donald. Lawrence Taylor. Those are all guys that require a double team every snap. Those guys are few and far between. Luke Van Ness and Rashan Gary were reaches in the first round to try to find even a poor man's version of that. They are not.
I’m happy if and when LVN makes a play. I am not closing the book on him tho, plenty young.
I don’t know….seems like the guys that end up being really good players at least show signs of what’s to come right away.
I remember watching Clay Mathews’s during the preseason of his rookie season. He seemed to always be around the ball. You could tell right away that he had something.
Nobody knows if Cooper will end up being a pro bowler, but even as a rookie he at least looks like he belongs out there. He makes plays.
Ness may end up being a solid player or better, but he’s in season two and so far he hasn’t shown much of anything. He’s all hopeful potential at this point.
Still waiting on Gary and Quay to become even half the players they were drafted to be.
Okay so now that we know Preston requested a trade to play in a 3-4 defense again, I’d say that confirms my point that maybe Hafley’s scheme has affected the ability of at least some of the players to generate pressure.
all the best to him in Pittsburgh.
Van Ness showed flashes last year, which everybody seems to have already forgotten. On top of him being very raw coming out of IOWA, he is now having to learn how to play a 4-3 in the nfl after focusing on the 3-4 last year. I don't care if he played either or both in college. That was college.
Gary, I'll have to keep beating the drum. He completely reshaped his body over the first 3 years in the league and learned how to play 3-4 OLB. Now he's a first year 4-3 DE. Maybe the injury took some juice out of his legs or maybe he's in the same boat as Preston, which may be setting sail in 2025.
In any case I think we'll see more significant D moves this offseason after Gute/Haf has had a season to assess their roster's effectiveness in the new scheme. Combine that with the youth on offense and this year really is much more of a growth year than a goal year.
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Ness may end up being a solid player or better, but he’s in season two and so far he hasn’t shown much of anything. He’s all hopeful potential at this point.
Same here...I hope he starts being more affective soon.
@michiganjoe posted:Terrific signing by Gutey and wish him the best in Pittsburgh.
Both Smiths were very impressive in that first game they played for GB.
They did ride pennyfarthing bikes to practice during TC.
@DH13 posted:I know it seems inexplicable but this D is still another draft/offseason or two away. Because of the scheme change if nothing else.
So you're saying a couple of first-rounders and a few high picks should do the trick? I wish they'd thought of that before.
Preston can still say he's never lost to the Bears.
Did they get chased by a giant inflatable bubble too?
Can we just let Preston Smith be gone to the Steelers and let it go? This is getting a bit excessive. No disrespect to Preston Smith.
