RG III's "recovery"

ChongoX4 O.G.

Dr. James Andrews compared Griffin III to Bo Jackson and Adrian Peterson with regards to his ability to recover from a major injury. Peterson suffered a torn ACL in Week 17 of the 2011 season, and returned in Week 1 of the 2012 season en route to winning the NFL's MVP award, and nearly breaking the single-season rushing yards record.

Translation: "I'm giving him the same mega-doses of HGH that I pumped AP full of to get him back so quickly."

3/25/139:57 AM

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Shoeless JoeMember

HGH = Heal Goddammit Heal!

3/25/1310:01 AM

da YooperMember

Drug test him now!!!

3/26/132:30 PM

TdogProspective Member

What? Drug testing? HGH?
no way. these guys are just world class athletes and they heal quicker, faster and better than us common rubes.

3/26/132:43 PM

Dr._BobMember

Drug testing seems unnecessary. I think it will be obvious if RGIII starts growing humans.

3/26/132:54 PM

Satori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

3/26/133:38 PM

Music CityMember

It's funny- Derek Rose discussion is all over Chicago talk, and the basis to it seems to be the Adrian Peterson "miracle". And iirc, it was less of an injury than Peterson's- it wasn't th whole knee. But even if it was identical, the elephant in the room.

Rose seems to be more in line with other cases, where it takes a year or more to truly get back that explosive burst. I guess Rose didn't want to "work" as hard as these other guys have...

3/26/133:44 PM

TschmackMember

Basketball is a different deal I think given the quick starts and stops and lateral movements. The other thing is that Rose is a herky jerky kind of player. He can be running full tilt down the lane and stop and pivot on a dime. Sort of surprised it took that long for him to blow out his knee given that style of play.

3/27/136:36 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

So let me get this straight, fellas......

Adrian Peterson works his ass off to come back from a torn up knee...gotta be on HGH.

RGIII works his ass off to come back from a torn u knee.....gotta be on HGH.

Clay Matthews III goes from a 6'1", 165 lb walk on at USC to a 6'3", 246 lb 1st round draft choice.....the natural way? 80+ lbs of muscle? Am I right? He's packler people...all hard work there.....LOL

You guys crack me up.

3/27/136:57 AM

PackLandVAMember

Sounds about right.

3/27/137:04 AM

TschmackMember

Matthews dad and uncle were big dudes. All I know is his USC bio his senior year listed him at 6'3" 240.

Speaking of which- take a look at Adrian Peterson in college vs when he's been in the pros. He doesn't even look like the same guy.

Maybe in the future we'll find out a number of guys were juicing because the NFL does not have a robust drug testing policy.

3/27/137:52 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by Tschmack:
Speaking of which- take a look at Adrian Peterson in college vs when he's been in the pros. He doesn't even look like the same guy.

He doesn't look like the same guy?

USA Today had him listed at 6' 3", 209 lbs as a senior in high school.

The NFL has him listed at 6' 1", 217 lbs.......

Pretty much the same guy.....now, if he had put on 80+ lbs of muscle, you would have a point.

3/27/138:15 AM

"We"-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

He shrunk?

3/27/138:17 AM

HerschelMember

To be fair, he was in the pool.

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
Clay Matthews III goes from a 6'1", 165 lb walk on at USC to a 6'3", 246 lb 1st round draft choice.....the natural way? 80+ lbs of muscle? Am I right? He's packler people...all hard work there.....LOL

I went from 6'1" 185# in High School after my Junior year to just under 6'3" #220 weigh in for Freshman year of college (and still grew almost another inch taller) so yeah, it's not that out-of-whack. The key is the height gain also, which means he had a growth spurt.

3/27/138:34 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
He shrunk?

I wouldn't be surprised. All of those head on collisions aren't going to stretch him out. More than likely though, his HS stats were slightly inflated as most HS do that. Do you think CM3's were inflated at 6'1 - 165?

3/27/138:35 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by Herschel:
To be fair, he was in

I went from 6'1" 185# in High School after my Junior year to just under 6'3" #220 weigh in for Freshman year of college (and still grew almost another inch taller) so yeah, it's not that out-of-whack. The key is the height gain also, which means he had a growth spurt.

You gained 35#, Herschel. CM3 did two and a half times that....

3/27/138:37 AM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by Herschel:

I went from 6'1" 185# in High School after my Junior year to just under 6'3" #220 weigh in for Freshman year of college (and still grew almost another inch taller) so yeah, it's not that out-of-whack. The key is the height gain also, which means he had a growth spurt.

I went from 5'9' as a junior to 6' my first year out of high school to 6'2" 240 when I was 21/22. Again, let's not confuse Purple Truther with facts.

Add in we're talking about growth patterns, patterns which are confirmed by his family (I believe his Uncle said he was the same size as Clay in high school), not about rehabbing a shredded knee like AP.

Personally, I don't give a two ****s. This game is what it is but spare me the "superhuman" crap. The fact that AP came back and carried that POS team to a playoff spot is more superhuman than his recovery. But let the sniveler from Brayynerd continue on without saying anything.

He's a tad soft and will cry like the punk ass if you press him. Isn't that right Petunia?

3/27/138:51 AM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
quote:
Originally posted by Herschel:
To be fair, he was in

I went from 6'1" 185# in High School after my Junior year to just under 6'3" #220 weigh in for Freshman year of college (and still grew almost another inch taller) so yeah, it's not that out-of-whack. The key is the height gain also, which means he had a growth spurt.

You gained 35#, Herschel. CM3 did two and a half times that....

I put on 65 to 70 pounds minimum and all I was doing was farm work or bouncing frat boys like you out of the bars. Now imagine what a guy dedicated to football and the weight room would do, especially considering his family lineage.

So by transitive properties of your argument you're saying AP is full of **** and is a juicer?

3/27/138:56 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

80lbs of muscle......rumored to have failed a steroid test, and his best friend in college gets busted in the pros.

Yep....nothing to see here.

"Petunia"....lol, I love when you have to go the personal route because you have no argument.

3/27/139:55 AM

HenryYou rang?

So by the transitive properties of your argument AP is a juicer, correct? Let's see if you can answer one question.

3/27/139:58 AM

MN SnowBongMember

Armchair chemists/trainers who haven't seen the inside of a gym in years, speculating on who's using PES and who's not and a troll who needs validation from strangers more than he needs to make sense.

Great thread.

3/27/1310:03 AM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
80lbs of muscle......rumored to have failed a steroid test, and his best friend in college gets busted in the pros.

Rumors and guilt by association? This is what you pass off as a legitimate argument? Especially when you just had two guys relate the same experience in growth coupled with the genetic background of Matthews family? And your come back is "no argument"?

I know this will be ignored because you're a POS but this is why you're treated the way you are. You and your other buddy are the epitome of bad Vagine fans. Passive aggressive twits who cry at the first sign of getting bloodied, tossing around false equivalency like Faux News.

Take that weak **** somewhere else if you're going to continue to cry about it.

3/27/1310:10 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by MN SnowBong:
Armchair chemists/trainers who haven't seen the inside of a gym in years, speculating on who's using PES and who's not and a troll who needs validation from strangers more than he needs to make sense.

Great thread.

Are you talking about the specialists here who claim AP is on HGH?

3/27/1310:20 AM

Salmon DaveMember

I wouldn't exactly be shocked if Matthews ever tested positive, because I think PEDs are a lot more common in the NFL than we're aware of. I wouldn't be surprised if most players are using something at some time or another. With literally tens of millions of dollars at stake, and often a razor-thin margin between a starter and the guy just behind him on the depth chart, you're damned right a lot of these guys are going to be looking for every edge they can find, legal or otherwise. I'm sure there are a lot of players on every team who are doing it on the downlow, and if Matthews is one, oh well.

But I don't actually suspect him of it, and the way he bulked up in college means nothing to me. When I was 18 I was 6'3 and 170 pounds. By the time I was 22, I was 6'4" and 230. Never set foot inside a weight room the entire time; just played sports and ate like I had a tapeworm. So maybe he is and maybe he isn't, but I'll wait until he tests positive before I start pointing a finger at him.

3/27/1310:20 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by Henry:
So by the transitive properties of your argument AP is a juicer, correct? Let's see if you can answer one question.

If AP now weighed 295 pounds, you'd have a great point.

3/27/1310:20 AM

MichiganPackerMember

There have been 5 members of the Matthews family that played in the NFL and a sixth (currently an OT at Texas A&M) that is almost certain too.

Generation 1

Clay Matthews Sr. (born 1928) played at 6'3" 220

Generation 2

Clay Matthews Jr. played 6'2" 245
Bruce Matthews played at 6'5" 305

Generation 3

Clay Matthews III 6'3" 255
Casey Matthews 6'1" 245
Jake Matthews (college) 6'5" 305

So, CMIII is almost the identical size his father was. I don't know when the growth spurts hit for all three, but CMIII's size isn't an anomaly with his genetic background (and it's a fairly large sample size). I'm not naive enough the bet my life on the fact that someone hasn't used PEDs, but CMIII has a pretty strong case that he was going to be a big guy no matter what career he pursued.

3/27/1310:21 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by Salmon Dave:
I wouldn't exactly be shocked if Matthews ever tested positive, because I think PEDs are a lot more common in the NFL than we're aware of. I wouldn't be surprised if most players are using something at some time or another. With literally tens of millions of dollars at stake, and often a razor-thin margin between a starter and the guy just behind him on the depth chart, you're damned right a lot of these guys are going to be looking for every edge they can find, legal or otherwise. I'm sure there are a lot of players on every team who are doing it on the downlow, and if Matthews is one, oh well.

But I don't actually suspect him of it, and the way he bulked up in college means nothing to me. When I was 18 I was 6'3 and 170 pounds. By the time I was 22, I was 6'4" and 230. Never set foot inside a weight room the entire time; just played sports and ate like I had a tapeworm. So maybe he is and maybe he isn't, but I'll wait until he tests positive before I start pointing a finger at him.

Good post, Dave. I'm just amused at how fast they are to point the finger at AP/RG3, but scream bloody murder when you bring up CM3 and his chronic hammy problems....

3/27/1310:24 AM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
quote:
Originally posted by Henry:
So by the transitive properties of your argument AP is a juicer, correct? Let's see if you can answer one question.

If AP now weighed 295 pounds, you'd have a great point.

Again, didn't answer the question. What was that about no argument? Answer the question.

Hey, what was the time span of Matthew's development? Can you answer that? Oh, you won't answer? 7 years. So you think a developing athlete out of high school going through a constant regimen of lifting and football doesn't put on mass and muscle in 7 years? Couple in genetics and what do you have?

You not answering the questions because you're intellectually soft.

3/27/1310:34 AM

TdogProspective Member

another thread bludgeoned to death by he who shall remain nameless. great...

3/27/1310:37 AM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

Eh, it's the off-season

3/27/1310:39 AM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:

Good post, Dave. I'm just amused at how fast they are to point the finger at AP/RG3, but scream bloody murder when you bring up CM3 and his chronic hammy problems....

Then address the argument put before you. A guy building muscle and mass over 7 years (along with other points of the argument) vs. a player coming back from a shredded knee (torn ACL and MCL) in one year and then almost breaking the rushing record in the same year.

Go ahead, which sounds more reasonable.

As far as Bob goes, we haven't seen squat yet. He's a incredible athlete like Peterson but all the "superhuman" crap sounds more like Danny Boy priming the PR pump to keep butts in the seats.

3/27/1310:41 AM

MN SnowBongMember

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
Are you talking about the specialists here who claim AP is on HGH?

They are different flavors of the same uninformed idiot.

You are not one iota different than the people you mock, other than you need more attention to go with your ignorance.

3/27/1311:05 AM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

Good post MichiganPacker. I'm certain Jaymo won't address it.

3/27/1311:27 AM

GoallineLarge Antenna

quote:
Originally posted by MichiganPacker:

So, CMIII is almost the identical size his father was.

Wait! You are using Clay Jr, a player from the 80's, the golden age of steroid use, to defend Clay III? Seriously? I wa most curious about the fact that his grandfather is the exact same height as he is yet he weighed 25 lbs less. Clay Snr missed the steroid age.

Thanks MN SnowBong for bringing a sense of reality to the discussion. Too bad they won't listen.

3/27/1311:33 AM

HenryYou rang?

You're also discounting that all players from Clay Sr's days were much smaller players. Could be the roids, could be they weren't making mega bucks to do nothing but play football.

3/27/1311:48 AM

GoallineLarge Antenna

7 pounds from the additional lifting and 18 pounds from the roids.

3/27/1311:56 AM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by Henry:
Then address the argument put before you. A guy building muscle and mass over 7 years (along with other points of the argument) vs. a player coming back from a shredded knee (torn ACL and MCL) in one year and then almost breaking the rushing record in the same year.

Go ahead, which sounds more reasonable.

As far as Bob goes, we haven't seen squat yet. He's a incredible athlete like Peterson but all the "superhuman" crap sounds more like Danny Boy priming the PR pump to keep butts in the seats.

Why do you keep screaming "7 years"?

With the modern medicine of today, knee injuries are being routinely rehabbed in under a year.

So, AP's rehab is far more reasonable than a human cleanly putting on 80+ lbs of muscle in 3-4 years.

3/27/1312:46 PM

Chickenboy of Rubechat"I’m a highly successful business owner with a smokeshow wife. "

quote:
Originally posted by MichiganPacker:
There have been 5 members of the Matthews family that played in the NFL and a sixth (currently an OT at Texas A&M) that is almost certain too.

Generation 1

Clay Matthews Sr. (born 1928) played at 6'3" 220

Generation 2

Clay Matthews Jr. played 6'2" 245
Bruce Matthews played at 6'5" 305

Generation 3

Clay Matthews III 6'3" 255
Casey Matthews 6'1" 245
Jake Matthews (college) 6'5" 305

So, CMIII is almost the identical size his father was. I don't know when the growth spurts hit for all three, but CMIII's size isn't an anomaly with his genetic background (and it's a fairly large sample size). I'm not naive enough the bet my life on the fact that someone hasn't used PEDs, but CMIII has a pretty strong case that he was going to be a big guy no matter what career he pursued.

Please post their height and weight at the age of 17. If they all put on 80+ lbs of muscle 3 years after high school, I'll drop my argument.

3/27/1312:48 PM

Music CityMember

AP did something that NO ATHLETE HAD EVER DONE- recover in 6 months from a shredded knee and play better than he ever had. How is that related to CMIII and a development progression in his teenage years?

Derek Rose is trying to come back a year after a similar injury. He's not even close. Not better, not even close.

So which is more likely? AP redefines rehabilitation by simply working harder than anyone ever has in recovery? Or he had pharma help? And remember- we were all told about Lance Armstrong's super human ability to burn lactic a is in his muscles for energy, thus giving him that extra endurance he used to win 7 TDFs. Until we found out he was on steroids. Mark McGuire was chronically injured until he found the needle. Roger Clemens was old until he started using. Barry Bonds was great but then became super human. PEDs.

Maybe Clay Matthews was on the juice, maybe not. But AP... is there really any doubt? Haven't we learned from the past group of liars?

3/27/1312:52 PM

MN SnowBongMember

quote:
Originally posted by Jaymo:
So, AP's rehab is far more reasonable than a human cleanly putting on 80+ lbs of muscle in 3-4 years.

Your "knowledge" here is anecdotal, yes?

If you have some experience or qualifications that make you smarter than the people you're trying to make look stupid, here would be a good place to interject them.

Admit it...you don't "know" any more than any of the dum-dums who can't stop themselves from trying to argue with you.

3/27/1312:52 PM

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