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I think missing Raji makes a difference too and that hasn't really been discussed. You have to have some push up the middle - it's the only way to disrupt the short passes over the middle since the edge rushers don't have time to get home. Raji, at least this year, backs guys up 3-4 yards and makes it harder to step into throws.

 

Also, don't underestimate how good Rivers is. He's 90-60 as a starter with the 6th highest passer rating in NFL history.

Originally Posted by FLPACKER:

Packers said that Rivers ran everything from LOS. He motioned Woodhead to determine if Packers were in man or zone & then knew the matchup he wanted to go to. Players said they tried to disguise the coverages but Rivers' did an amazing job of diagnosing the defense & getting the ball out so quickly that the pass rush could not get near him. Packer players were very classy in their praise of Rivers.

 

Though emotional, Rivers is one of my favorite Non packers to watch. He is

a true 'field general'.  though Eli may be right, I dont think the Chargers are ever gonna win anything.  Had Rivers been drafted by the Giants or Steelers (who grabbed Big Ben) or a number of other teams hed definitely would have a ring by now. good thing he didnt land in Dallas, or the NFC North.

 

they blew their chance in LTs prime

 

 

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I thought Rivers was just unconscious yesterday. It reminded me of the performance Favre had against Baltimore several years ago where the Packers were big underdogs against Ray Lewis defense and Favres was pin point on and the receivers caught everything. 

 

My thoughts were when it was 3 and short Capers would put the blitz on and Rivers found the quick out before the defense had a chance to cross the line. Then on a couple of plays it was 3rd and long he did not blitz and Rivers had all day to let someone break free. It may not have made any difference because Rivers was so accurate yesterday and the receivers were catching passes with their eyes closed. 

 

But 6 and 0 is 6 and 0. I will take winning ugly over looking good and losing all the time. Offense is in a funk but I think they went through that last year as well. In another month they should be back to their greatness. Looking forward to getting back after the bye week and blasting Manning. He is not the same Peyton Manning and cannot throw like he used to. That should be fun....

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:


The frustrating thing for me was the routes that San Diego was running. It's the same crap San Fran did in the playoffs...slants, drag routes, etc. with veteran receivers finding the hole in the zone and exploiting it. Half the time I was calling out the passes before the snap, if I can see it then I know the DBs know what's going. All it would have taken was Clay showing blitz and dropping back or a Zone Blitz with Peppers dropping back or even a DB just jumping the route to make them think twice about throwing those Slants. I feel like Allen chewed up a lot of YAC on those short/intermediate routes.

They weren't running zone, they were playing man coverage.

 

See, for example, this story about Keenan Allen:

 

"Keenan Allen was especially eager for this game. 

The opponent was his favorite brand.

The Chargers knew of the Packers’ preference to play man coverage. Give the wide receiver his choice between that or zone, he’ll choose the former every day of the week and 16 times on Sunday."

......................

"“It kept pulling me,” Allen said of the hip, which forced him to the locker room for evaluation before he reentered the game briefly. “I couldn’t really run like I wanted to. … (The matchup) was kind of fun. We knew they were going to play man, so that’s when I lick my chops to see if they could cover me. I seemed to be getting open pretty good today.”

 

http://www.sandiegouniontribun...hilip-rivers-injury/

 

 

Lost in all the sturm und drang about yesterday's game is that it was also Mike McCarthy's 100th regular season win.  100–49–1. Over a .667 winning percentage. Seriously underappreciated.

 

 

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It was very valuable for the current D to see a really good QB since they hadn't so far this year.  Better to learn that lesson in WK06 than in playoffs.  Lots of really good self scouting to do on that tape.  Getting Raji and Burnett back will make a noticeable impact.  If not, yesterday will be all too reminiscent of previous D's that crumble vs. quality QB.

 

Offense clearly needs more adjustments.  Hopefully Adams will be full-go after the bye and won't have any more recurrence on the ankle.  Same for Lacy.  Good time to work out the dents over bye.

 

Montgomery looked great on that run out of the flat.  Bouncing off guys, grinding forward.  Dynamic kid MM could have some real fun with.

i was thinking today how much longer he would coach. Will he ride off in the sunset with Rodgers or Thompson. In 7 to 10 years. Will he stay and develop the next Quarterback for the Packers? Will he be a lifer coach with the Packers and spend the 20 years at Green Bay and break every possible record for coaching. I don't think he would want to leave for another job and as long as his health holds up he may just retire a Packer coach. That works for me. good to know he is thinking bout the next 100 which will keep him here another ten years

Originally Posted by lynndickey83:

Positive

6-0 with a gutsy win

Starks and the o-line

Glad TT is making our draft picks    

 NO TURNOVERS!

Negatives

Why the hell does a team short on WRs use them as RBs (Montgomery injury)

Play calling  -  give STARKS the DAMN ball

Our offense killed our defense

3rd down efficiency 

We were out coached

 

 

 

Negatives

Why the hell does a team short on WRs use them as RBs (Montgomery injury)

 

Bingo!

 

Originally Posted by FLPACKER:

Yeah, saw that stat., even with 500 yards for Rivers,  we still won both the "turn over differential" & the "average yards per pass attempt" stat.

 

And on 2nd and goal, he missed a wide-open receiver in corner.   On 4th and goal, he tried same play and has a TD if the ball is higher and to the right.

 

Not saying our D couldn't a done better, but lots of yards go with 65 attempts.

I don't know how long MM will keep going but I have to say that from an outsider's perspective Edgar Bennett is putting together one hell of a resume for a HC position. No question that he's been groomed for bigger things ever since he entered the coaching ranks.

 

This season the coordinators are doing press conferences after MM's on Mondays and they're being played on packers.com. Edgar is terrific in those sessions, just radiates cool calm and collected, knowledge and attention to detail. If he's like that with players no wonder he's shone in all his coaching positions so far.  Press conferences aren't any indicia whatsoever of what kind of HC you'd be (ahem Rex Ryan and his ilk) but EB's career path certainly screams he'll be on a lot of teams' radar screens. Sure hope they can keep him for the duration.

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Originally Posted by ZUF:
Negatives

Why the hell does a team short on WRs use them as RBs (Montgomery injury)

 

Bingo!

Monty's injury could have happened anywhere, it wasn't because he was pounding it up the middle or anything like that. What, are all the wideouts supposed to emulate JJ and go out of bounds nearly every time pursuit closes (the one thing that's always bugged me about Jones' game)?

 

I can see questions about putting Cobb there because of his size, and of late his injury, but come on, Monty's the polar opposite of frail, he has unique skills as a ball carrier and its football for crying out loud.

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Maynard:

And for all the talk of our interior Oline, they really have not been that great at run blocking this year

This just is not true.  Yes, we have now seen some rushing inefectiveness, but the interior o-line has generally been real solid with run blocking.

Originally Posted by ZUF:
Originally Posted by lynndickey83:

Positive

6-0 with a gutsy win

Starks and the o-line

Glad TT is making our draft picks    

 NO TURNOVERS!

Negatives

Why the hell does a team short on WRs use them as RBs (Montgomery injury)

Play calling  -  give STARKS the DAMN ball

Our offense killed our defense

3rd down efficiency 

We were out coached

 

 

 

Negatives

Why the hell does a team short on WRs use them as RBs (Montgomery injury)

 

Bingo!

 

 

Because it helps to open up the offense when they are double teaming Jones or Cobb.  It's been incredibly effective when put to use.  Montgomery's injury could've happen anywhere on the field.  

 

That versatility of Cobb and Montgomery has been a boon especially since they miss the big play ability of Jordy.

2 targets and 1 catch is dialing in with Rodgers? I liked that Janis had 4 targets. Of course, his 1st target he did not play it well. That was the one where Rodgers nearly got called for grounding, and Janis did next to nothing to help his scrambling QB. Janis was moving laterally/slightly away from Rodgers instead of working his way back to the QB.

 

 

 TARRECYDSAVGLGTD
J.Janis427939.5460
R.Cobb523819260
R.Rodgers523417250
J.Jones523015221
J.Kuhn222010190
E.Lacy22178.5120
T.Montgomery22115.560
J.Perillo212121210
J.Starks215551
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Seriously, when does MM get some love for Coach of the Year? All he's done is win. He's never been anything but classy. Yes, he has AR, but who is the one who coached AR to his level of play? And MM just goes about his business of improving the team (see coaches being cross-trained, see him giving up playcalling, etc.) without seeking any fanfare. From where he started to today, he's come a long way.

McCarthy doesn't get the publicity even though his team has been one of the most consistent in the league during his tenure. I'm cool with it, the less publicity the better. Dan Quinn or Ron Rivera will be COY, but those teams will lose early in the playoffs.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:

 That was the one where Rodgers nearly got called for grounding, and Janis did next to nothing to help his scrambling QB. Janis was moving laterally/slightly away from Rodgers instead of working his way back to the QB.

To me it looked like Rodgers was hesitant to throw it to him and hung on to the ball too long. It looked like he could have pretty much shoveled it to him but kept looking for other options and Janis just ran a longer route after that.

 

They need to just run the rollout and get the ball to Janis on a short dump and let him run.

 

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One of these days, after the 5th local beat reporter asks Rodgers what Janis needs to do to become a bigger part of the offense or what Rodgers can do to make him a bigger part of the offense Aaron is going to answer with, "You know what? **** Jeff Janis. Ok?!?!  **** Jeff Janis! I can't wait to get Devante back. Ok!  ****!!!! And I wouldn't blame him one bit. It has to drive him ****ing nuts answering question after question about everyones great white hope. 

 

Theres a 3 page thread about a guy with 4 career receptions. There was a point made that maybe GB should start using stack sets to help Janis because he struggles against press coverage. Change alignment for Janis. My God. How's about a guy that goes 6'3 and 225 apply himself a little bit and learn how to beat a ****ing jam?  

 

Its like like there's a little Tebow Jr running around Titletown and everyone is enamored  of all the wonderous things he's capable of while glossing over the fact he hasn't done a damn thing in two years. 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

 

Its like like there's a little Tebow Jr running around posters bitching about the Minnesota Vikings and their fanbase, it's as if they have won so many titles that their fans call themselves Titletown and everyone is enamored  pissed off about of all the wonderous things he's that franchise and its fans are capable of while glossing over the fact he hasn't they haven't won done won a damn thing title in two the miserable 55 years of their existence.

Free speech and idle chatter are wonderful things.

 

It's all good, Chilli.

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There was a point made that maybe GB should start using stack sets to help Janis because he struggles against press coverage. Change alignment for Janis. My God. How's about a guy that goes 6'3 and 225 apply himself a little bit and learn how to beat a ****ing jam?  

 

It's not about Jeff Janis, it's about working with the hand you were dealt.   Nobody is suggesting implementing plays and formations to get Janis involved prior to Jordy and Adams going out.   As far as the untrained eye can see, we haven't adjusted to the current personnel. 

 

You don't run a full court press defense if you don't have the athletes.  We were 1990 UNLV prior to Jordy / Adams injury, now we are more like UW Whitewater at WR.   Adjust the game plan accordingly.   Pound the rock, if your WR's can't get off press, free them via alignment.  AKA, stop banging your head against the wall and grab a different tool. 

Originally Posted by BrainDed:

       

There was a point made that maybe GB should start using stack sets to help Janis because he struggles against press coverage. Change alignment for Janis. My God. How's about a guy that goes 6'3 and 225 apply himself a little bit and learn how to beat a ****ing jam?  

 

It's not about Jeff Janis, it's about working with the hand you were dealt.   Nobody is suggesting implementing plays and formations to get Janis involved prior to Jordy and Adams going out.   As far as the untrained eye can see, we haven't adjusted to the current personnel. 

 

You don't run a full court press defense if you don't have the athletes.  We were 1990 UNLV prior to Jordy / Adams injury, now we are more like UW Whitewater at WR.   Adjust the game plan accordingly.   Pound the rock, if your WR's can't get off press, free them via alignment.  AKA, stop banging your head against the wall and grab a different tool. 


       


Great post. Make that adjustment accordingly with the personnel you have to run with. Pretty simple.

All the angst on Janis is something I don't get. 7th round pick out of a small school in his 2nd year. Seems he is coming along fine. He should only get better.

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