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@mattschneidman:  Aaron Rodgers broke his thumb in the Week 5 London game at Tottenham in 2022 and he’s playing in the Week 5 London game at Tottenham again.

He tore his Achilles in the Week 1 MNF game in 2023 and he’s playing in the Week 1 MNF game again.  Not to mention the guy who tackled him when he tore his Achilles week 1 last year is now on the team he’s facing week 1 this year (Leonard Floyd).

NFL might just be screwing with him.

I remember when MLF arrived and Aaron had his career "resurgence" and was winning MVP's I wouldn't miss an interview of his because they were so in depth related to the game and what was going on. I learned a lot. This was especially true of his post game and mid week press conferences. Very insightful. Now all that's gone to shit and a handbag and I can't listen to anything.

He has made me contemplate the impossible......who will I root for when the Jets play the Vikings in London? I never ever thought I'd be at this crossroad in my fandom.

I am never going to hate on AR. Packers organization did him a disservice with how they put a team around him. He was gracious to the Packers on his exit and since he left. He is not Favre part 2. He was not like Mike Holmgren when he forced his way out of town and took most of the coaches with him and was a dick on the sideline in a game against the Packers on his first trip back to Green Bay.  If Rodgers  finds a way to force an exit from the Jets and make an appearance for the Vikings or Bears, I may reconsider. Other than that, Good Luck Aaron. Thanks for the memories. You were the best.

In general this fellow has quickly gone from being a hero to an idiot (or worse) and I know that is my predisposition in all things dealing with AR12. So I asked ChatGPT. Here is 4.o's answer:

  • Contract Disputes and Drama: Rodgers has been involved in several high-profile contract disputes and disagreements with the Green Bay Packers management. These disputes have sometimes overshadowed the team and created unnecessary drama.

  • Playoff Performance: Despite being one of the most talented quarterbacks in NFL history, Rodgers' playoff performances have not lived up to his potential in critical playoff games, leading to fewer Super Bowl appearances and wins than expected for a player of his caliber.

  • Public Statements and Attitude: Rodgers has a reputation for making controversial public statements and exhibiting what some perceive as an aloof or arrogant attitude. This includes his blunt honesty in interviews and social media, which can be polarizing.

  • Vaccine Controversy: In 2021, Rodgers faced significant backlash for his comments and actions regarding COVID-19 vaccination. He initially implied he was vaccinated but later revealed he was not, leading to accusations of being misleading and contributing to public health misinformation.

  • Relationships with Teammates and Coaches: There have been reports of strained relationships between Rodgers and some of his teammates and coaches. Critics argue that this behavior can be detrimental to team cohesion and success

I hope we get to see him fail in all 6 of those prime-time games.

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@BrainDed posted:

I’d really like to see a full season from Rodgers.  Extremely curious to see how I view his game when he isn’t a Packer.

I think he'll look slow.  He looked slow his last season with us.  It was the first thing I noticed about the Eagles game Love came in, Love looked way faster in general.

Given he's coming off a major injury, has had an entire year out of football, and is going to turn 41 this year, while I'm sure there will be flashes of greatness like we are used to, I'm guessing it will be mostly obvious his time has passed.  Especially because he's never been a purely pocket passer, take the check downs type passer like Brady was.  Frankly his sandlot style is what got him injured last year.

@packfnz posted:

In general this fellow has quickly gone from being a hero to an idiot (or worse) and I know that is my predisposition in all things dealing with AR12. So I asked ChatGPT. Here is 4.o's answer:

  • Contract Disputes and Drama: Rodgers has been involved in several high-profile contract disputes and disagreements with the Green Bay Packers management. These disputes have sometimes overshadowed the team and created unnecessary drama.

  • Playoff Performance: Despite being one of the most talented quarterbacks in NFL history, Rodgers' playoff performances have not lived up to his potential in critical playoff games, leading to fewer Super Bowl appearances and wins than expected for a player of his caliber.

  • Public Statements and Attitude: Rodgers has a reputation for making controversial public statements and exhibiting what some perceive as an aloof or arrogant attitude. This includes his blunt honesty in interviews and social media, which can be polarizing.

  • Vaccine Controversy: In 2021, Rodgers faced significant backlash for his comments and actions regarding COVID-19 vaccination. He initially implied he was vaccinated but later revealed he was not, leading to accusations of being misleading and contributing to public health misinformation.

  • Relationships with Teammates and Coaches: There have been reports of strained relationships between Rodgers and some of his teammates and coaches. Critics argue that this behavior can be detrimental to team cohesion and success

I hope we get to see him fail in all 6 of those prime-time games.

Who is we?  All the others he lives rent free in?

@ammo posted:

So you fully agree with what Butker said?

That's like saying only Communists thought the Hollywood blacklist was a bad thing.  Budd Schulberg, Oscar-winning screenwriter of On the Waterfront, named names, and said something afterward to the effect that the Communists only seemed to care about free speech as long as it was speech they agreed with.

I think it's fairly obvious we have a broad culture where if you espouse views the tastemakers (for lack of a better term) agree with, the response is "how dare anybody speak out against that".  If you're a soccer fan, you'll know that the whole point of the Gary Lineker kerfuffle last year was "free speech must not have consequences for those of us with goodthink".  But if you're a wrongthinker like Butker, or Aaron Rodgers with his coronavirus thoughtcrime, woe betide you.

I'd also point out that Harrison Butker is more Catholic than the current Pope, although these days that's a fairly low bar.

As somebody who served with NATO, enjoys science and is really more  petty than I would like to think...I hope Rodgers gets his smug, arrogant keister handed to him and I hope every man that has had 'relations' with Butker comes out to speak about them---That guy is the walking emblem of reaction formation. He'll be an example in Psychology text books for years to come.

@vitaflo posted:

I think he'll look slow.  He looked slow his last season with us.  It was the first thing I noticed about the Eagles game Love came in, Love looked way faster in general.

Given he's coming off a major injury, has had an entire year out of football, and is going to turn 41 this year, while I'm sure there will be flashes of greatness like we are used to, I'm guessing it will be mostly obvious his time has passed.  Especially because he's never been a purely pocket passer, take the check downs type passer like Brady was.  Frankly his sandlot style is what got him injured last year.

QBs who like getting out of the pocket need that speed to make it work. When they lose it, it's drastic. We saw it with Russ last year. He couldn't get out of the pocket consistently and it took away a huge part of his game. We'll see how Rodgers manages as a 40 year old QB coming back from a torn achilles.

Hit me yesterday when talking to a guy about his Falcons - why do we assume aging QBs are going to bounce back from a torn achilles in less than a year with no drop off? Is it really safe to assume that?

Do I agree with what Butkner said no I don't not at all but its his right.  But, then again I have lived my life not giving two shits what athletes opinion are and will continue to do so. 

Anyhow, back to Rodgers I agree with CUPackfan that everyone just assumes that a 40 year old QB behind a so-so OL is going to not miss a beat.  Could he? sure he could but I think the odds are against him. 

@CUPackFan posted:

Hit me yesterday when talking to a guy about his Falcons - why do we assume aging QBs are going to bounce back from a torn achilles in less than a year with no drop off? Is it really safe to assume that?

I think it's because people do not see them as injured and old.  They see them as the players they were.  Look at all the "big name" free agents every year that fans get excited about getting, but teams don't because they are past their prime.  It's why the Packers move on two years too early instead of two years too late.  It pisses off the player but it (usually) works.

This might end better for Cousins than Rodgers since Cousins has never been a mobile QB.  But when you're an old QB the dropoff can be drastic and fast.  Peyton and Brees both had noodle arms in their last seasons and they had two of the best arms ever.

@The Heckler posted:

Do I agree with what Butkner said no I don't not at all but its his right.  But, then again I have lived my life not giving two shits what athletes opinion are and will continue to do so.

Anyhow, back to Rodgers I agree with CUPackfan that everyone just assumes that a 40 year old QB behind a so-so OL is going to not miss a beat.  Could he? sure he could but I think the odds are against him.

I mean, what could go wrong having Nathaniel Hackett coordinate the offense?

Of all the dysfunction on that Jets team, that has to be the craziest example. It's recently come out that the Jets had been trying to hire someone to come in a more senior coaching position to be the one to actually coordinate the offense. But that Hackett would still be there. They ended not hiring anyone because they figured that Rodgers would ignore most of the stuff Hackett called and do what he wanted to do anyway.

That sure sounds like a recipe for success.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...s%20in%20his%20role.

But as the Jets thought about their offense throughout the offseason, Hackett leading the charge wasn’t always the vision. New York made, ‘legitimate attempts,’ to hire a candidatethat would essentially be the offensive coordinator’s replacement, via Connor Hughes of SNY.

The Jets weren’t necessarily searching for a new offensive coordinator. Instead, they wanted to hire someone who would work above Hackett, ‘running the show,’ for the offense. Ultimately, New York decided not to pursue those plans as Hackett remains in his role.

But even as the offensive coordinator, Hackett hasn’t always had full control of the offense. Throughout his first offseason with the Jets, Rodgers oftentimes changed Hackett’s play call at the line of scrimmage, Hughes confirmed. New York is seemingly relying on Rodgers being able to execute that gameplan over an entire season.

Hackett's talent is as an offensive specialist - he had responsibility for the red zone offense ( which became the Gold Zone). He was responsible for 3rd down offense too and in both areas the Packers excelled. His contributions were reaping results

When he was allowed to focus on one small area and innovate - he had something to offer and so long as you had MLF and AR running the show it was a well-tuned machine.

But as soon as Hackett was responsible for the bigger picture, his limitations became obvious. He's also a bit of a goofball, which is part of the allure for Rodgers - but that doesn't work as HC in Denver and it doesn't work as OC in NYJ.

Both times that Hackett was promoted upwards, his new teams tried to find him some professional support. Denver hired 2 extra coaches to assist the guy and now the Jets tried to do the same. Yikes.

@Johnson posted:

As somebody who served with NATO, enjoys science and is really more  petty than I would like to think...I hope Rodgers gets his smug, arrogant keister handed to him and I hope every man that has had 'relations' with Butker comes out to speak about them---That guy is the walking emblem of reaction formation. He'll be an example in Psychology text books for years to come.

Maybe Rodgers can be a sports commentator on television for Russia Today after he retires.

@vitaflo posted:

I think it's because people do not see them as injured and old.  They see them as the players they were.  Look at all the "big name" free agents every year that fans get excited about getting, but teams don't because they are past their prime.  It's why the Packers move on two years too early instead of two years too late.  It pisses off the player but it (usually) works.

This might end better for Cousins than Rodgers since Cousins has never been a mobile QB.  But when you're an old QB the dropoff can be drastic and fast.  Peyton and Brees both had noodle arms in their last seasons and they had two of the best arms ever.

Look no farther than the NBA playoffs this year for examples of this. There are 7 teams left. The best players on those teams are Edwards (22 years old), SGA (25), Tatum (26), Brunson (27), Haliburton (24), Doncic (25), and Jokic (29). Even the second best players on those teams are mostly younger guys - KAT (28), Jamal Murray (27), Holmgren (22), Jaylen Brown (27), and Anunoby (26). The only exceptions are really Kyrie (33) and Pascal Siakam (30).

Then look at the two best guys on the good teams that got eliminated - often because guys are out or dinged up. Lebron (39), AD (an old 31), Steph (36), Klay (34), Dame (33), Durant (35), Beal (30), Embiid (30 with knees that look like he's 70), Kawhi (32), Harden (34), Paul George (34), Butler (34), Giannis (29 with heavy mileage). Those 13 guys make about 600 million a year among them.

The right type of QB (and maybe some lineman) can play at a high level longer, but WRs, DBs, and RBs are almost never good financial investments after about age 28 or 30. They can be very good investments on minimum contracts, but most stars egos won't allow them to take less money to play on better teams (and you can't blame them for trying to cash out as they get older).

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I mean, what could go wrong having Nathaniel Hackett coordinate the offense?

Of all the dysfunction on that Jets team, that has to be the craziest example. It's recently come out that the Jets had been trying to hire someone to come in a more senior coaching position to be the one to actually coordinate the offense. But that Hackett would still be there. They ended not hiring anyone because they figured that Rodgers would ignore most of the stuff Hackett called and do what he wanted to do anyway.

That sure sounds like a recipe for success.



I can see a lot going wrong with the Jets offense.  I am really not convinced there is a huge amount of talent there on that side of the ball still.  Decent maybe but will Rodger elevate that offense?  they could be better but I am not sold on it.

I can definitely see this year being a case of Rodgers doing what he wants to do anyhow no matter what system is put in place and what plays are called.  Its in his DNA to try and be the smartest guy in the room.

New York is seemingly relying on Rodgers being able to execute that gameplan over an entire season.

I can't wait to see ol #8 Joe Willie Rodgers try to squeeze a throw into a tight window to Lazard while Wilson is streaking down the sideline wide effing open. It's gonna be epic

Unless......

He stops getting bored making the easy throw.

@ilcuqui posted:

If they don’t fix that OL it will be a long season. Regardless of the skill position tallant.

The offensive line should be pretty decent, to be fair. Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses are good bookends, and (unlike last year) they have potentially solid depth with Olu Fashanu and Carter Warren behind them. Simpson, Vera-Tucker and Tippmann are a solid interior  and Max Mitchell's a solid swing.

@Goalline posted:

Back then yes. After he returned from Israel where he was reading and studying the original scripture, NO! Reggie was about to open a whole bunch of eyes when he died. What a tragedy.

We are in agreement that he was taken out, what I've not yet determined in my research is if it was the Templars, or the Black Hand posing at the Templars.

If you never hear from me again, It was likely because I was getting to close

@Dr._Bob posted:

Years ago I was playing an online game where one of the guilds was the Templar Knights and we received an email from an actual order of the Templar Knights saying that the guild was inappropriate because they are not a game and should be treated with more seriousness and respect.  They apparently have eyes everywhere.

This is totally a Black Hand  move

Could we send the Knights Templar after Butker?

His mom is a medical physicist for cancer patients, for pete's sake. His wife studied Industrial Engineering and worked for well-known engineering firms.

While I'm a really strong believer in the First Amendment and agree with Evelyn Beatrice Hall (“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"), Butker is definitely trying my patience and my belief in free speech. 

@Fandame posted:

Could we send the Knights Templar after Butker?

His mom is a medical physicist for cancer patients, for pete's sake. His wife studied Industrial Engineering and worked for well-known engineering firms.

While I'm a really strong believer in the First Amendment and agree with Evelyn Beatrice Hall (“I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"), Butker is definitely trying my patience and my belief in free speech. 

Nearly all his type  are hypocrites. Not surprised to hear that he is surrounded by accomplished women.

Yea, Butker really stepped in for sure. Encouraging those who were stepping out in the career world as well as those biological females who were not joining a career but instead those who would looking forward to being a wife and mother. And to think he did this at a catholic graduation commencement where he as a devout catholic was invited to spew such vile stuff. If only he had spent the off season with Rashee Rice or someone like him and beat up someone or crashed a car doing over 100 MPH.  If only he had made better decisions. Tough Crowd these days....

Another Opinion or three

"

Butker has also received encouragement from prominent Catholic leaders. Bishop James Johnston of the Diocese of Kansas City said in a statement:

“Harrison Butker’s passion for his Catholic faith and his family are beautiful and well known. And like most people, he also has strong opinions on where we are as a Church and as a nation. The Catholic Church believes that God calls everyone to pursue holiness no matter what path they take. As St. Paul notes, that diversity of callings and vocations is essential to the life and mission of the Church. I support Mr. Butker’s right to share his faith and express his opinions.”

Bill Donuhue, President of the Catholic League, wrote in a statement on Thursday that Butker “nailed it” during the commencement speech. “His courage and his commitment to Catholicism is laudatory,” Donohue said. “A heralded Catholic football player defends traditional moral values at a Catholic college — how novel.”

If society is to judge the propriety of certain speech, then consideration must be given to the unique values of the community in which the speech is shared. There should be some acceptance of the fact that different communities carry different customs and beliefs.

Broader Appeal

Despite the initial uproar, Butker’s views appear to have broader appeal. Within hours of the controversy breaking, his jersey became one of the top selling in the NFL, eclipsing even his Kansas City MVP teammate Patrick Mahomes. By Friday, all female-sized Butker jerseys at NFL.com had been sold out.

Butker has received support from teammates, including Mississippi-native Chris Jones, who posted on X that he loved the kicker and called him “my brotha.” Following an effort by the NFL to distance itself from Butker, he also received support from the Hunt family, who owns the Kansas City Chiefs."

From his speech

"For the ladies present today, congratulations on an amazing accomplishment. You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives. I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm on the stage today and able to be the man I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation. I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God has given me, but it cannot be overstated that all of my success is made possible because a girl I met in band class back in middle school would convert to the faith, become my wife, and embrace one of the most important titles of all: homemaker."

Contrary to what is being said, he never said " women's place is in the home" as The Hill and most other have said.  It is a choice that women can and do make everyday.

Bill Maher had a great take on the subject .

“I can’t express how much this guy is not like me,” Maher said during a panel discussion Friday.

“He’s religious. He loves marriage. He loves kidsâ€Ķ And he’s now history’s greatest monster.”

“Again, I don’t agree with much with this guy, but I don’t get the thing. He saidâ€Ķ ‘Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world.’ Ok, that seems fairly, like, modern. ‘But I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.’ I don’t see what the big crime is. I really don’t.”

“And I think this is part of the problem people have with the left is that lots of people in this country are like this. Like he’s saying some of you may go on to lead successful careers, but a lot of you are excited about this other way that people- everybody used to be. And now can’t that be a choice too?” Maher continued.

“And I feel like they feel very put upon, like there’s only one way to be a good person and that’s to get an advanced degree from one of those ass hole factories like Harvard.”

I guess it stems from the idea that it is an either have a career or be a "homemaker".  I would be willing to bet his mother and wife will tell you that their family is their greatest calling regardless of the success they have had in their careers.

I've watched hundreds of award speeches, HOF speeches, any speech where a person is being honored and regardless of the sex or race of the honoree a vast majority of them family is the most important part of their lives.

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@Floridarob posted:

Another Opinion or three

"

Butker has also received encouragement from prominent Catholic leaders. Bishop James Johnston of the Diocese of Kansas City said in a statement:

“Harrison Butker’s passion for his Catholic faith and his family are beautiful and well known. And like most people, he also has strong opinions on where we are as a Church and as a nation. The Catholic Church believes that God calls everyone to pursue holiness no matter what path they take. As St. Paul notes, that diversity of callings and vocations is essential to the life and mission of the Church. I support Mr. Butker’s right to share his faith and express his opinions.”

Bill Donuhue, President of the Catholic League, wrote in a statement on Thursday that Butker “nailed it” during the commencement speech. “His courage and his commitment to Catholicism is laudatory,” Donohue said. “A heralded Catholic football player defends traditional moral values at a Catholic college — how novel.”

If society is to judge the propriety of certain speech, then consideration must be given to the unique values of the community in which the speech is shared. There should be some acceptance of the fact that different communities carry different customs and beliefs.

Broader Appeal

Despite the initial uproar, Butker’s views appear to have broader appeal. Within hours of the controversy breaking, his jersey became one of the top selling in the NFL, eclipsing even his Kansas City MVP teammate Patrick Mahomes. By Friday, all female-sized Butker jerseys at NFL.com had been sold out.

Butker has received support from teammates, including Mississippi-native Chris Jones, who posted on X that he loved the kicker and called him “my brotha.” Following an effort by the NFL to distance itself from Butker, he also received support from the Hunt family, who owns the Kansas City Chiefs."

I am sure that the NFL will forfiet the royalties on those jersey sales.

What would a successful season be?  For whom? 

1) If for Rodgers - another torn tendon would get him to retire.  Old QBs never die, they just fade back and pass away. 

2) If for the Jets -  That their legacy of futility would continue such that the YouTube guy would make a video of it. 

3) If for Packer fans - a SB victory with the youngest and cheapest (I mean most inexpensive) team in the league.  And what about the Jets?  Who??????



Ooof. I realize it's early, but man. Rodgers is looking.....OLD

@packerboi posted:


Ooof. I realize it's early, but man. Rodgers is looking.....OLD

Rodgers claimed he had blisters. Okey dokey

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