Rodgers vs Love, etc.

He still has 7 years.

For the record, I am an AR fan and i don't  feel GB would ever achieve this level of success with anyone else.

I personally take the drama with the play. Problem is that play ain't playin out.

this team has stagnated since my daughter was born in 2010.

I blame your daughter.

No evidence that Love is the answer. The big trade market for 12 may have gone out with his last contract. We had the chance to really screw the Broncos out of draft picks and passed, allowing the Seahawks to get away with grand larceny in the Russell Wilson trade.

Keeping 12 in lieu of the compensation Denver was offering was absolutely stupid.  I'm not talking about hindsight being 20/20 at this point... it was stupid the second they said no.  

@Goalline posted:

No evidence that Love is the answer. The big trade market for 12 may have gone out with his last contract. We had the chance to really screw the Broncos out of draft picks and passed, allowing the Seahawks to get away with grand larceny in the Russell Wilson trade.

Based on LATimes story on that trade, the GM had his eyes set on Wilson, not Rodgers, due to age.

Think Hackett was hired primarily with the hope he could lure AR to Denver. Agree with others that the team should have taken the massive compensation and moved on.

Well what did you expect the GM to say to the media?  We wanted Rodgers but couldn't get him so we went with Plan B?

@YATittle posted:

Based on LATimes story on that trade, the GM had his eyes set on Wilson, not Rodgers, due to age.

Well, he got his wish.

There is still a chance….Denver is still looking for a qb

Rodgers>Hackett+Wilson+an apostle

Wonder what Love led offense would have done today. Sure maybe an int is expected. But do you get a few scrambles for first downs, many more carries for our backs. Heck Rodgers didn't even complete a pass that traveled very far in the air.

Interesting to think about. What benefits is Rodgers bringing to this squad for 42 million dollars 😱

No thanks

Yeah Rodgers sucked in the 2nd  half but as soon as the Giants scored before the half I knew the game was over.

You should have tried saying that in the game thread.

Watching the DallAss/Rams game, I'm struck by how similar the Rams and Packers are as a team.
Way too much talent to play as poorly as they are.
Better than average defenses that at times will look as dominant as any, but, in the end, are soft and give up points at crucial times.
The Rams are a bit more potent through the air, the Packers are more potent rushing, Statford is perceived as being good-to-great by some, Rodgers can be otherworldly, but, like the defenses, look brilliant at times, and can't sustain drives and/or score points.

run the fucking ball and none of this talk would be happening!

AR doesn’t want to run the ball.

exactly.  that’s the problem

So you want more jet sweeps?

@Timmy! posted:

Watching the DallAss/Rams game, I'm struck by how similar the Rams and Packers are as a team.
Way too much talent to play as poorly as they are.
Better than average defenses that at times will look as dominant as any, but, in the end, are soft and give up points at crucial times.
The Rams are a bit more potent through the air, the Packers are more potent rushing, Statford is perceived as being good-to-great by some, Rodgers can be otherworldly, but, like the defenses, look brilliant at times, and can't sustain drives and/or score points.

Rams o-line is awful right now & the Dallas o-line is very good this year, that was the game.

The defense gave up 27 points to a very average (at best) QB without any real WRs. Sure the Packers should have tied it up on the last drive, but on what planet should it take 30 points to beat this version of the Giants?

Alexander, R. Gary, and Kenny Clark are all likely Pro Bowlers this year. Campbell was All-Pro last year. Walker and Stokes are first-round picks. Reed and P. Smith are very good veterans. Amos is a very solid safety who doesn't make mistakes. There is way too much talent on that side of the ball to let a guy like Daniel Jones beat you.

The defense should be of more concern than the offense right now.

@MichiganPacker posted:

The defense gave up 27 points to a very average (at best) QB without any real WRs. Sure the Packers should have tied it up on the last drive, but on what planet should it take 30 points to beat this version of the Giants?

Alexander, R. Gary, and Kenny Clark are all likely Pro Bowlers this year. Campbell was All-Pro last year. Walker and Stokes are first-round picks. Reed and P. Smith are very good veterans. Amos is a very solid safety who doesn't make mistakes. There is way too much talent on that side of the ball to let a guy like Daniel Jones beat you.

The defense should be of more concern than the offense right now.

All true.  And the O stunk up the 2nd half

@MichiganPacker posted:

The defense should be of more concern than the offense right now.

While the D did not play up to standards, how can you expect them to be good when after an 8 minute drive by the Giants to tie the game, they get about 1 minute resting on the bench because our dumbass QB throws 3 incomplete passes.  And he wasn't close on any of them.

Th whole outfit is a concern

There are concerns… but one game does not make a season. Let’s see how the next few weeks go before we lose our collective shit. Trust me, I ain’t happy with the shit show I’ve seen so far either.

They almost always play to the level of their competition.  Which worries me about NYJ and WAS.  Saleh knows how to play AR.

@DH13 posted:

They almost always play to the level of their competition.  Which worries me about NYJ and WAS.  Saleh knows how to play AR.

I mean, name a team that doesn't.  This is just what parity in the NFL looks like.  10 games yesterday were decided by a touchdown or less.

Most games these days seem to come down to one or two plays (or one or two calls).  Great for the fans that want suspenseful games, but sucks if luck doesn't go your way that day.

In the 2nd half the Giants played the run and dared Rodgers to beat them with the green WRs - it worked.

I don't know if there were run/pass options on the 3 (deep throws) and out or the 3rd/4th down throws into the DL, but Rodgers must've seen a ghost out there to attempt those throws.

If there aren’t run/pass options, why does AR have to waste 1-2 timeouts every game because he can’t run the play before the time clock runs out?

I guess my question is better stated:  "Is GB winning because of Rodgers, or is he holding this team back?" I question now what the team's ceiling is with him.

Just watched Andy Herman's individual player evaluations. AR was his lowest rated offensive player. He has been rating every player on every play for the past 6 years and said this is AR's lowest rating for any 5 game stretch in those 6 years. His biggest concern is that even though he's had good protection, AR doesn't seem to be seeing the field well, missing potential big plays by just not throwing to open receivers down the field on top of throwing to guys who are well covered outside the hashes.

There's Herman's evaluation just noted. For all the talk about failure to run and poor playcalling his view is the offense's biggest issue is the QB.

The dumbest thing this front office did was trying to match 12 with rookie receivers. He doesn't want to throw to them. Don't force feed spoiled babies if you expect to rely on them. Save the picks for other positions and bring in all the old, broken down vets you can sign just to make him happy.

Sammy!

@WolfPack posted:

Wonder what Love led offense would have done today. Sure maybe an int is expected. But do you get a few scrambles for first downs, many more carries for our backs. Heck Rodgers didn't even complete a pass that traveled very far in the air.

Interesting to think about. What benefits is Rodgers bringing to this squad for 42 million dollars 😱

I'll bet that in a Love led offense, we'd also see Christian Watson targeted more, downfield. Love and Watson seem to have a better connection than Rodgers does with Watson. Toure, too for that matter. The only "new" WR Rodgers connects with, is Doubs. GBP wasted Amari Rodgers, when they resigned Cobb. I'll bet that Amari thrives on another team, if he is traded.

If only they could get some team to trade for him.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Sammy!

Remember how excited 12 was when we signed Sammy? He needs more receivers like Sammy.

Julio Jones was Rodgers’ dream from heaven. He and Sammy would spend time on IR together.❤️

@Pikes Peak posted:

If only they could get some team to trade for him.

The contract fucks that up.