I'll admit, I don't know much about this guy, but TT has a really decent history of finding good DB's in the draft going back to his Seattle days. Perhaps they are even looking at Hayward as a possible safety?
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
I'll admit, I don't know much about this guy, but TT has a really decent history of finding good DB's in the draft going back to his Seattle days. Perhaps they are even looking at Hayward as a possible safety?
The more I read about him, he sounds like a possible FS candidate. One scout was impressed with 2 Tackles for loss of Trent Richardson vs. Bama.
It is amazing how different opinions can be on a guy. Some scouts call him tough, others say he's a weak tackler. Obviously the Pack is betting on the "tough".
For all the tackles he had including those for losses, how can anyone call him soft in contact? Hmmm...
Were those draft ratings from his past girlfriends?
quote:Originally posted by fightphoe93:
They must want to give Sam Shields a kick in the pants with this pick.
I think it has more to do with Woodson than Shields. You can't play forever.
quote:Originally posted by DH13:
Never said Burnett was any problem. Read again - they must be counting on Burnett "arriving" this year to take #1 safety spot. Peprah and Collins were fine with a decent pass rush. Peprah and Burnett could be too if these rooks provide any rush.
This. You can win a Super Bowl with Peprah play S. I think TT will add a guy but I'm also curious to see what Dr. Jennings can do.
Per Walter Football:
Makes a point about the trade up, but I thought we had to trade our 3rd for that pick as well? Anybody else back me up on that?
quote:There weren't many cornerbacks who fit Green Bay's defense in this class. Casey Hayward was one of them. The Packers had to find a cornerback to bolster the secondary because Charles Woodson won't be around much longer. Green Bay moved up for him, jumping up from No. 90 to No. 62. All it cost them, however, was a fifth-round pick. I don't understand why Bill Belichick couldn't get more from Ted Thompson.
Makes a point about the trade up, but I thought we had to trade our 3rd for that pick as well? Anybody else back me up on that?
62 for 90 and 163. 5th round pick.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
He could even end up at FS . TT seems to like taller corners but doesn't mind shorter safeties (Collins, Peprah). I'd guess he'll start at corner though. Either way, sounds like a turnover creator who should fit in well.
Wouldn't count on that. A reporter asked Joe Whitt whether he was a corner or a FS and Whitt looked at him like he was crazy. Reporter asked Capers the same thing and he reaffirmed he'll be playing corner. Possibly some nickel, but they want him for corner.
Pictures like this are why I love the draft. Awesome.
National Football Post: Hayward is a pure Cover 2 type of corner. He showcases elite pass skills and feel in coverage. He lacks great speed but plays fast because of little wasted motion. He has the skills to start on the outside and be a turnover machine in the NFL. NFL ceiling: "Plus" zone corner. NFL floor: Nickel/dime guy.
I like the pick because of his intelligence. This week I watched the San Diego game again on my DVR and was stunned at all the coverage mistakes, particularly from Peprah. He bit on the run, Williams was expecting help over the top and we were toasted regularly. Even Williams made a mistake on one TD, helping on the underneath guy and letting Jackson go past him uncovered for a TD.
I just have a feeling that Hayward will be more assignment sure. Save this thread for once he's rolling as a pro, as I could be wrong. But I think he'll be a worthy addition.
I just have a feeling that Hayward will be more assignment sure. Save this thread for once he's rolling as a pro, as I could be wrong. But I think he'll be a worthy addition.
Tackling is a main drawback it says,he should fit right in nicely on a team where players seem not to know the proper way to tackle a player to the ground.hope they get that little lesson learned properly or it will again be a long season for the defensive backfield.
show them film of Craig Newsome
Weird that tackling is his biggest issue b/c he looked good in those hghlights. I know they're only his best plays, but usually when a CB is a poor tackler, it's because he doesn't like tackle. Didn't seem the case to me, as he had no problem going behind the line of scrimmage to take on a RB who likely outweighed him by 20-30 lbs.
Very happy to see they drafted a smart CB with great instincts. Seems to have great ball skills. May never be great on the outside due to a lack of speed, but hopefully he can contribute as a nickel/dime CB this year. Hopefully him and House show they can play, and Shields bounces back giving this team 5 solid CB's.
Very happy to see they drafted a smart CB with great instincts. Seems to have great ball skills. May never be great on the outside due to a lack of speed, but hopefully he can contribute as a nickel/dime CB this year. Hopefully him and House show they can play, and Shields bounces back giving this team 5 solid CB's.
quote:Originally posted by mr21mr21:
show them film of Craig Newsome
Yup, he sounds like a Craig Newsome type to me.
Too bad he got hurt, he was not all that fast, but a smart player, and one nasty hitter.
Kiper:
"Hayward is an excellent all-around CB who made a ton of plays during his career, both in coverage and at or around the line of scrimmage. He is very instinctive and finds himself around the ball a lot. He baits the QB very well and breaks on the ball effectively."
"Hayward is an excellent all-around CB who made a ton of plays during his career, both in coverage and at or around the line of scrimmage. He is very instinctive and finds himself around the ball a lot. He baits the QB very well and breaks on the ball effectively."
Very good player.
quote:All it cost them, however, was a fifth-round pick. I don't understand why Bill Belichick couldn't get more from Ted Thompson.
I think Thompson and Belichek want to co-host a post season football party and not invite the Giants.
Not sure if this comment has already been made, but this is the first non press-man corner I can recall the Packers drafting in forever.
Ex-Perry star Hayward feeling right at home in Green Bay
macon.com
by By Greg Bates Posted: 6:47pm on May 12, 2012
macon.com
by By Greg Bates Posted: 6:47pm on May 12, 2012
quote:Hayward had an extremely successful high school career for the Perry Panthers. He tallied 36 rushing touchdowns and 39 more through the air as the Panthersâ quarterback. Defensively, Hayward recorded 30 tackles as a senior, but more impressively hauled in four interceptions, returning three of those thefts for touchdowns.
Former Perry offensive coordinator Chad Alligood coached Hayward for two seasons and knows the Packers are adding a valuable asset to their roster.
âYou know exactly what youâre going to get every day,â Alligood said. âConsistency -- heâs not going to be up and down -- and youâre going to get a competitor.â
Hayward had a strong first practice with the Packers. During the two-hour-long, on-field workout, Hayward got plenty of repetitions at right cornerback on 11-on-11 drills. He also took snaps at left cornerback.
Thereâs no doubt in Alligoodâs mind that Hayward will adjust to the NFL game quickly and have a long, successful career.
âHe excelled in high school, he excelled in college. Thereâs no reason why he doesnât excel in the NFL -- just because of the type of person he is,â Alligood said. âYou will find no better person than Casey Hayward.â continue
not to be negative, but shouldn't a 2nd round pick get a lot of reps in a rookie/first year mini camp?
to be positive, i am more excited about hayward than any other draft pick in this year's draft. i think he is gonna be a good one.
to be positive, i am more excited about hayward than any other draft pick in this year's draft. i think he is gonna be a good one.
I highlighted it just because that's where he lined up most. There's not much to the rookie camp so to me the most interesting thing is the quotes from these guys and where they line up. It could mean something or it could mean absolutely nothing.
quote:It could mean something or it could mean absolutely nothing.
Thanks, TTmfatied.
I think this explains well why Thompson was not concerned about Hayward's average CB speed: "Those nickel and dime positions rely less on pure speed than the outside cornerbacks, who have to cover more deep patterns along the sidelines. The nickel and dime corners require more instincts, quickness, reading the quarterback and stopping the run."
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Humble.
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Thank everybody for there support I'm just trying to learn from these vets and my time will come. Taking it one day at a time.
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Thank everybody for there support I'm just trying to learn from these vets and my time will come. Taking it one day at a time.
He used the wrong their.
Should be a keeper. Like Clay Matthews, they had to give up too much to get him, though.
Just curious, what is "too much" for a potential shut-down corner and an All-Pro OLB?
Excellent question.
quote:Originally posted by ChitownMadtowner:
Like Clay Matthews, they had to give up too much to get him, though.
Don't know how Hayward will work out, but it's pretty silly to say TT overpaid for Clay.
I think some posters need a new one.
We gave up a 3rd and 5th rounder to New England to get Hayward in the second round. So, in essence, our 3rd round pick became a 2nd round pick, and we gave up one pick in the 5th round. Doesn't seem like we gave up too much.
Pack win the Super Bowl, then add Randall Cobb in the 2nd. They go 15-1, then get the DROY in the second.
How do other GMs resist punching Ted in the nose when they see him?
How do other GMs resist punching Ted in the nose when they see him?
Exactly. The Packers had the vision to apparently see something special to give up a bit more for a special player.
You could argue the CMIII trade two ways:
1) TT rated him as a top ten pick, thus trading a late second and 2 thirds was a steal.
2) The draft chart says that the late first round pick was only worth a second and a third, thus TT was ripped off by an additional third round pick.
I prefer the first method, as you can't look at picks in a vacuum when it comes to draft day trades. TT didn't trade 3 picks for 1 pick. He traded 3 picks for CMIII (as the only reason he traded up was b/c CMIII was available).
1) TT rated him as a top ten pick, thus trading a late second and 2 thirds was a steal.
2) The draft chart says that the late first round pick was only worth a second and a third, thus TT was ripped off by an additional third round pick.
I prefer the first method, as you can't look at picks in a vacuum when it comes to draft day trades. TT didn't trade 3 picks for 1 pick. He traded 3 picks for CMIII (as the only reason he traded up was b/c CMIII was available).
Bingo. Hell, the Ricky Williams trade would have made sense if you're getting Aaron Rodgers in return. The funny thing is though, that with Ted's ability to turn later picks into solid-to-Pro-Bowl quality players, he probably gives up more in these trades than any other GM.
IIRC there were discussions that CM3 was a top 15 pick on some boards. Who knows where the Steely Eyed Assassin had CM3 or Hayward slotted.
We're really debating whether or not GB gave up too much for CMIII? The guy is arguably the best defensive player in the NFL, is always healthy and forces opposing offenses to spend a significant amount of time scheming just to block him each week. We're watching a HOF career in the making.
In hindsight, TT could have given up his whole draft (Ala Ricky Williams) and I wouldn't complain about it.
I've said it before, but it's worth repeating. I'm even more impressed with CMIII's attitude. There are plenty of NFL players that would be complaining about their contracts, holding out, etc if they had the same production as this guy. Nope, not CMIII. He continues to show up, outwork everybody, produce on the field and drive on. In today's sporting world, that's pretty damn impressive.
In hindsight, TT could have given up his whole draft (Ala Ricky Williams) and I wouldn't complain about it.
I've said it before, but it's worth repeating. I'm even more impressed with CMIII's attitude. There are plenty of NFL players that would be complaining about their contracts, holding out, etc if they had the same production as this guy. Nope, not CMIII. He continues to show up, outwork everybody, produce on the field and drive on. In today's sporting world, that's pretty damn impressive.