I think TT is trying to find a replacement for Raji and Adams certainly has the physical ability to do so. Time will tell if his motivation matches his talent. For our sake let's hope so. The Packers have not had a good track record in guys that don't want to put in the effort.
I always wince when I see players compared to another usually to a many time pro-bowl player or to a journeyman. Players will create their own identity so give them a chance. I did want to say that when discussions of Jerel Worthy or Harrell come up, Worthy was a one trick pony- I know when I saw the unbelievable games he had the year he was drafted one of my colleagues warned me that he's jumping the count and that won't fly in the NFL. He also was stiff and never seemed to have his pads low enough to control the line of scrimmage. The knee injury didn't help but it was all there to see before he was drafted.
Harrell had the injury thing so we will never know but I see each week fans rave about measurables but football is played with a lot of immeasurables and every time you forget it Mike Mamula seems to appear.
Just as so many are raving about Josh Jones and how much better he is than Micah Hyde let's hope so- Hyde is the kind of player championship teams are full of- lesser athletes who are instinctive and decisive ( smart plodders). Now too many smart plodders and you have a 31st ranked defense but one or two and you can have something special. Don't forget 2010 and Charlie Peprah filing in on a Super Bowl team or Jim Leonhard for the Ravens.
Pack88 posted:I always wince when I see players compared to another usually to a many time pro-bowl player or to a journeyman.
I don't see a problem with it if they are the same race.
signed Chris Berman, authorized by Micah Hyde
Good points on Hyde. It is similar to when people say the D "can't get any worse". Of course it can.
You need smart and saucy is what you're saying?
Pack88 posted:Just as so many are raving about Josh Jones and how much better he is than Micah Hyde let's hope so- Hyde is the kind of player championship teams are full of- lesser athletes who are instinctive and decisive ( smart plodders). Now too many smart plodders and you have a 31st ranked defense but one or two and you can have something special. Don't forget 2010 and Charlie Peprah filing in on a Super Bowl team or Jim Leonhard for the Ravens.
The problem isn't one Charlie Peprah , the problem is when Micah Hyde is your best available CB, you're in trouble. Peprah was playing next to Collins, Woodson, Williams, Shields (Leonard wasn't on the Ravens SB team by the way). Peprah didn't have to be perfect or even good necessarily, he just had to do his job and not be a weakness. Last year's team featured Micah Hyde as basically the best/healthiest CB who kept seeing his responsibilities increase. When Micah Hyde is one of our key guys then you aren't a talented defense. I have nothing against him, certainly he's a guy you love having and love giving the opportunity to use those instincts, but not as one of your best guys.
The same is true of Joe Thomas, who I think Josh Jones actually here to supplant (not Hyde). They might bulk him up to the 230 range and probably play more of Will LB in our Nickel. He has LB instincts and attacks the ball like a LB. Reminds of Thomas Davis at Georgia to some extent, Jones played more of a FS role than Davis did though. Same aggressive mentality though, hit first and ask questions later.
DH13 posted:Good points on Hyde. It is similar to when people say the D "can't get any worse". Of course it can.
No kidding. Just look at the Niners defense last year.
All I know is, TT has drafted a LOT of defensive players over the last 5-6 years.
Time for these players to play to their abilities.
Grave Digger posted:The same is true of Joe Thomas, who I think Josh Jones actually here to supplant (not Hyde). They might bulk him up to the 230 range and probably play more of Will LB in our Nickel. He has LB instincts and attacks the ball like a LB. Reminds of Thomas Davis at Georgia to some extent, Jones played more of a FS role than Davis did though. Same aggressive mentality though, hit first and ask questions later.
Reports out of first day of Rookie camp suggest exactly that. Jones was playing ILBer in 7 on 7 drills.
Grave Digger posted:The interesting thing about Adams production is that the majority of it came against either SEC competition or good Non-Conference opponents. His total career stat line:
147 Tackles, 19.5 TFL, 10.5 Sacks, 2 INTs
Against opponents that you would consider the "easy" non-conference teams his production was:
24 Tackles, 4 TFL, 3 Sacks, 2 INTs
I don't know if that's a positive stat or a negative. Certainly it's a positive that his most productive games were usually against better SEC competition, but you'd like to see him feast more on average competition from the C-USA, FCS, etc.
Maybe he only played the 1st half of those games.
FLPACKER posted:Grave Digger posted:The same is true of Joe Thomas, who I think Josh Jones actually here to supplant (not Hyde). They might bulk him up to the 230 range and probably play more of Will LB in our Nickel. He has LB instincts and attacks the ball like a LB. Reminds of Thomas Davis at Georgia to some extent, Jones played more of a FS role than Davis did though. Same aggressive mentality though, hit first and ask questions later.
Reports out of first day of Rookie camp suggest exactly that. Jones was playing ILBer in 7 on 7 drills.
Supplant Thomas or pair him with Thomas in the Nickle? Makes sense to supplant him in the Dime as the lone ILB, but not Nickle.
Nickle D:
LB (4) - Clay, Thomas, Jones, Perry
DL (2) - Daniels, Lowry or whoever can rush the passer best from inside.
DB (5 - thus nickle) Dix, Burnett, 3 top CB's to be decided.
Dime D:
LB (3) Clay, Jones, Perry
DL (2) - Daniels, Lowry or whoever can rush the passer best from inside.
DB (6) Dix, Burnett, 4 top CB's to be decided.
Base 3-4
LB (4) - Clay, Thomas, Martinez, Perry
DL (3) - Daniels, Clark, Whoever
DB (4) Dix, Burnett, 2 top CB's to be decided.
NASCAR
*crashed and insurance adjuster calling it a total loss.
ammo posted:I guess Biegel never sees the field.
Hopefully not much. If he does it's because Fack didn't progress and either Clay or Perry got hurt.
Not if we trade him for Joe Thomas
Jones could also let them line up in more of a 3-4 alignment, giving them the best of both worlds, if he pans out as a hybrid.
El-Kofi-Amichia posted:Not if we trade him for Joe Thomas
We don't have to. They will be on the field together. It's not like Joe Thomas is an OL in Cleveland.
Grave Digger posted:Pack88 posted:Just as so many are raving about Josh Jones and how much better he is than Micah Hyde let's hope so- Hyde is the kind of player championship teams are full of- lesser athletes who are instinctive and decisive ( smart plodders). Now too many smart plodders and you have a 31st ranked defense but one or two and you can have something special. Don't forget 2010 and Charlie Peprah filing in on a Super Bowl team or Jim Leonhard for the Ravens.
The problem isn't one Charlie Peprah , the problem is when Micah Hyde is your best available CB, you're in trouble. Peprah was playing next to Collins, Woodson, Williams, Shields (Leonard wasn't on the Ravens SB team by the way). Peprah didn't have to be perfect or even good necessarily, he just had to do his job and not be a weakness. Last year's team featured Micah Hyde as basically the best/healthiest CB who kept seeing his responsibilities increase. When Micah Hyde is one of our key guys then you aren't a talented defense. I have nothing against him, certainly he's a guy you love having and love giving the opportunity to use those instincts, but not as one of your best guys.
The same is true of Joe Thomas, who I think Josh Jones actually here to supplant (not Hyde). They might bulk him up to the 230 range and probably play more of Will LB in our Nickel. He has LB instincts and attacks the ball like a LB. Reminds of Thomas Davis at Georgia to some extent, Jones played more of a FS role than Davis did though. Same aggressive mentality though, hit first and ask questions later.
Gravedigger didn't mean to imply Leonhard was on the Raven Superbowl team merely that he was a complimentary piece, just as Hyde- I pointed out a team full of Hyde,s get you 31st but one or two can be magic!
I am always amazed how these threads gather a life of their own and move away from the subject at hand, which was our 3rd round pick. I am an old guy and learned a long time ago attempting to assess the professional career of a defensive lineman based on their college production is like trying to win the power-ball by buying one ticket (pretty darn difficult) but two words cause me to take a second look at any DL player motivation and intensity. Coaches, scouts and writers discuss these as those they are bottles of printer ink and you can check the levels and if they are low good coaching can fill the tank. I don't know Mountainous Adams from Paul Ryan but I hope his perceived lack of effort is more a lack of maturity and not a lack of "dog" in him. We will see but he brings the skills and ability to be a productive pro player it is the Packers job to surround him with quality teammates and coach him to utilize his ability to achieve maximum potential. It is Adam's job to absorb that coaching and fit in with quality teammate's and possess the grit determination and dedication to be a good pro. I anxiously await the results!
His highlights definitely show evidence of posessing BFI. It seems his issue is one of consistency.
I am not an old man rather a super sexy 20 year old stud. Yet I agree with Man Who Yells At Clouds. Getting all ramped up about players who haven't played a down in the NFL seems a bit futile. More than likely it is how the player handles being in the NFL in the first place.
Yet this is a footballz (only 20 year olds spell it that way) board and what are we going to talk about? Iowacheez's transgender PETA commune?
Henry posted:I am not an old man rather a super sexy 20 year old stud. Yet I agree with Man Who Yells At Clouds. Getting all ramped up about players who haven't played a down in the NFL seems a bit futile. More than likely it is how the player handles being in the NFL in the first place.
Yet this is a footballz (only 20 year olds spell it that way) board and what are we going to talk about? Iowacheez's transgender PETA commune?
20 years old? Dude, you've got underwear older than 20.
I am not an old man rather a super sexy 20 year old stud.
It's true. Henry's on a tire in Cleveland right now.
Goalline posted:Maybe not, but he isn't a savage. He wears underwear.
So he's not a true Scotsman?
And you've actually seen Henry in just his undies?
BrainDed posted:Supplant Thomas or pair him with Thomas in the Nickle? Makes sense to supplant him in the Dime as the lone ILB, but not Nickle.
Nickle D:
LB (4) - Clay, Thomas, Jones, Perry
DL (2) - Daniels, Lowry or whoever can rush the passer best from inside.
DB (5 - thus nickle) Dix, Burnett, 3 top CB's to be decided.Dime D:
LB (3) Clay, Jones, Perry
DL (2) - Daniels, Lowry or whoever can rush the passer best from inside.
DB (6) Dix, Burnett, 4 top CB's to be decided.Base 3-4
LB (4) - Clay, Thomas, Martinez, Perry
DL (3) - Daniels, Clark, Whoever
DB (4) Dix, Burnett, 2 top CB's to be decided.NASCAR
*crashed and insurance adjuster calling it a total loss.
I think the Packers want to get away from guys like Thomas and Martinez who are just niche players. If I had to guess at what the Nickel will look like by the end of the season:
Base Nickle D:
ILB (2) - Jones, Ryan
FRONT (4) - Clay, Daniels, Clark, Perry
S (2) - Dix, Burnett
CB (3) - Randall, Rollins, King
I think early in the season we see Joe Thomas, but by the end I think Josh Jones takes his place and these are the 11 we see most often.
Big Nickle D:
ILB (1) - Ryan
FRONT (4) - Clay, Daniels, Guion, Clark, Perry
S (2) - Dix, Burnett/Jones
CB (3) - Randall, Rollins, King
This might be the Nickel they use on early downs, with Burnett or Jones playing that box Safety/LB role.
Dime D:
ILB (1) - Jones
FRONT (4) - Clay, Daniels, Perry, Elliot/Fackrell
S (3) - Dix, Burnett, Brice
CB (3) - Randall, King, Rollins
This is more or less what Arizona does with Deon Buchanan. He becomes the only "ILB" and teams can't mismatch him with a TE or RB. Hopefully Brice takes a step to be more reliable in coverage.
Base 3-4:
ILB (2) - Ryan, Martinez
FRONT (5) - Clay, Daniels, Guion, Clark, Perry
S (2) - Dix, Burnett
CB (2) - Randall, King
Goalline posted:Maybe not, but he isn't a savage. He wears underwear.
You know too much.
Pack88 posted:I am always amazed how these threads gather a life of their own and move away from the subject at hand, which was our 3rd round pick. I am an old guy .
But you're young at heart. Hang in there "old guy" 
It's still the off-season
Pack88 posted:I don't know Mountainous Adams from Paul Ryan
I like that....I'm going to use that
Fedya posted:And you've actually seen Henry in just his undies?
Ducking?
The Bill Michaels talk show today had an interview with Rod Bramblett, voice of Auburn football...Packers got a steal...spoke really highly of the work ethic Adams brings - doesn't take anything for granted, hard worker...he's very coachable...one of the smartest guys on the team, great in the classroom...Packers fans are going to love him...one of the go-to guys that would talk with the media after games - even after Auburn lost (while some players will only talk to the media after a win - very accountable, sign of a leader)...if there is an aspect of his game that could use work, it would be defending the run - not bad at it, but area of growth potential...quick first-step and very athletic...with no disrespect to Carl Lawson, Adams was the best player on the defense and opposing offenses had to account for him...has ability to collapse the pocket with his quickness and strength...has played some DE.
I'm really stoked about seeing this kid play...references to Raji was also talked about. I strongly recommend listening to the 10 minute podcast on the Bill Michaels May 9 show link below:
Grave Digger posted:BrainDed posted:Supplant Thomas or pair him with Thomas in the Nickle?
I think the Packers want to get away from guys like Thomas and Martinez who are just niche players. If I had to guess at what the Nickel will look like by the end of the season:
Base Nickle D:ILB (2) - Jones, Ryan
FRONT (4) - Clay, Daniels, Clark, Perry
S (2) - Dix, Burnett
CB (3) - Randall, Rollins, KingI think early in the season we see Joe Thomas, but by the end I think Josh Jones takes his place and these are the 11 we see most often.
Big Nickle D:
ILB (1) - Ryan
FRONT (4) - Clay, Daniels, Guion, Clark, Perry
S (2) - Dix, Burnett/Jones
CB (3) - Randall, Rollins, KingThis might be the Nickel they use on early downs, with Burnett or Jones playing that box Safety/LB role.
Dime D:
ILB (1) - Jones
FRONT (4) - Clay, Daniels, Perry, Elliot/Fackrell
S (3) - Dix, Burnett, Brice
CB (3) - Randall, King, RollinsThis is more or less what Arizona does with Deon Buchanan. He becomes the only "ILB" and teams can't mismatch him with a TE or RB. Hopefully Brice takes a step to be more reliable in coverage.
Base 3-4:
ILB (2) - Ryan, Martinez
FRONT (5) - Clay, Daniels, Guion, Clark, Perry
S (2) - Dix, Burnett
CB (2) - Randall, King
I'm confused.. Big Nickle only has 10 players unless you are saying 3 Safties with 1 in the box. In that case, it's the same lineup you have as base nickle with the possible exception of dropping Burnett into the box.
I could see them playing nickle with 3 S and 2 ILB against a good running team, if that's what you are getting at.
ILB (1) - Ryan
FRONT (4) - Clay, Daniels, Guion, Clark, Perry
S (2) - Dix, Burnett/Jones
CB (3) - Randall, Rollins, King
I'm confused.. Big Nickle only has 10 players unless you are saying 3 Safties with 1 in the box.
He has 5 defenders listed for the front, which makes 11.
Sorry yeah that was just a typo. It's a 5 man front with 1 true ILB and a box Safety...technically you could call it a 3-3-5.
Ahhh, I see now.
Meh, if your going to take a ILB off the field on early downs, i'd rather it be a DB that replaces them (or hybrid). We were 8th best in rush yards per game last year but 31st in pass yards. That said, I think those numbers were earned with a lot 5 DB sets on 1st down anyway, soooo, that just shows what I know.
Monty Adams was out of his walking boot early and is walking around pretty well per a couple reports. Perhaps he comes back sooner then expected...
(Posted today from his Twitter):
