Is he worth a **** PH?
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
To be fair, he was arrested for being drunk in public... he was drunk in a bar but the bouncers threw him into public.
The Ron White 'Tater Salad' defense.
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
Is he worth a **** PH?
As a rookie, probably a guy that will play on every ST unit. Should see some PT on defense, too. Bush should be very concerned.
Hard to say right now if this guy is a long term CB or FS.
Bush is a bad-ass ST player...gonna take quite a player to bump hiim from that perch.
I say you draft a CB who might also play safety later each year until Bush is no longer on the team. At that point, you might have enough talant. Until then, you don't stop.
Fast enuf, tackles, will keep our young DBs from getting complacent. Everyone knows that a rookie can push their way into the dime, so none of the young guys who looked good last year can sit back. They all need to step up or they'll be on the bench. Like DB, the tackle from colorado, a good player on a bad team. leader, respected but underscouted a bit maybe. Would have gone higher if surrounded by better players, but he was on Iowa, so what can you expect.
So, like the pick, especially since he is listed as a sure tackler.
Fast enuf, tackles, will keep our young DBs from getting complacent. Everyone knows that a rookie can push their way into the dime, so none of the young guys who looked good last year can sit back. They all need to step up or they'll be on the bench. Like DB, the tackle from colorado, a good player on a bad team. leader, respected but underscouted a bit maybe. Would have gone higher if surrounded by better players, but he was on Iowa, so what can you expect.
So, like the pick, especially since he is listed as a sure tackler.
from JSO
5. MICAH HYDE, S, Iowa
NFC scout: "... He's not really a corner because he's not fast enough. But he has good ball skills. I'd take him on my team, but I just don't know what you do with him. He's not quite a cover corner, and he's not as physical as you'd like to be a Cover-2 corner. I'd take the player and then let the coaches figure out how he fits. Sixth or seventh round."
AFC scout: "No. No!"
AFC scout: "It ain't happening."
5. MICAH HYDE, S, Iowa
NFC scout: "... He's not really a corner because he's not fast enough. But he has good ball skills. I'd take him on my team, but I just don't know what you do with him. He's not quite a cover corner, and he's not as physical as you'd like to be a Cover-2 corner. I'd take the player and then let the coaches figure out how he fits. Sixth or seventh round."
AFC scout: "No. No!"
AFC scout: "It ain't happening."
I love all these scouts opinions from other teams.
What AFC teams? Tennessee & Cleveland?
What AFC teams? Tennessee & Cleveland?
I've watched this guy for last 2 seasons(didn't get to see every game) but he plays the ball, catches it most of the time. Tough tackler too Probably best 2ndary player the Hawkeyes had. Good player...ask Daniels
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
I love all these scouts opinions from other teams.
What AFC teams? Tennessee & Cleveland?
There are literally hundreds of NFL scouts. The opinions of an unnamed few probably isn't indicative of much of anything.
240 tackles in essentially 3 seasons. I like the sound of that.
Lots more past the click.quote:Coach Q&A: Iowa's Phil Parker on CB Micah Hyde
jsonline.com
By Tyler Dunne on May 7th, 2013
What do you remember most about Hyde?
Parker: “Micah has a knack to make big plays obviously. To me, he always had great ball skills. He was a good punt returner for us. He could catch the ball. And he’d have some unbelievable receptions. You’d wonder how he made them. I think it helps that when he was in high school, he was a multi-sport guy. He played a lot of different sports so that helped him. He's a great person and I'm happy for him to have the opportunity to play for a great organization.
“Everybody says he’s not fast enough. And everybody says ‘is he tough enough?’ And then you see the good hits he makes. And then you see how he tracks people down. I know the Combine and all that, you never know how fast are you? Sometimes you’re just fast enough to make some plays.”
Should the public intoxication charge be a concern?
Parker: “Here in Iowa City, for him, if my kid only got that... he’s such a great kid. I felt bad for him with that. I don’t know exactly what went down totally because I wasn’t there. But he’s not that kind of kid. He never had a problem with me. I never had a problem with him missing meetings or working hard or getting in trouble with the law, anything. So to me, that was out of character. Sometimes, you’re in a bad place at the wrong time. To me, there’s no question about the kid’s character.”
Is there something different about Hyde that people don't know?
Parker: “He's not going to come in and be a real energetic, bubbly guy. He's a very flat-line guy. And the pressure, he goes through a game and is very calm. He says, ‘I got you coach.’ He's very flat-lined with his emotions, which I really think makes him a good player. He doesn’t get too high or too low. It could be a big situation and he comes out makes a big play like ‘Yeah, I was supposed to make that play.’ That's what I like about him. The plays that he makes, he expects himself to make." continue
Crazy stat of the day: As a prep QB, @micah_hyde accounted for 111 touchdowns. (via @PackerReport)
So that's almost 30/year and with a 10 game schedule that's almost AVG 3/game. Nuts.
Not really a surprise that MM is giving him a serious look on punt returns given his ball skills. Looks to me like excellent value in the fifth and I disagree strongly with the scouts quoted.
I'm not really sure why Micah Hyde fits - is he a safety or a CB- but the guy can play football and I like his versatility. I think the only area he struggles a little bit is defending the deep pass over the top similar to what we saw last weekend against the Rams on the long pass completion. However, other than that one play he was very solid in pass coverage and run defense.
I like Jarrett Bush on special teams but to me it's clear that Hyde is a better DB and I think he's an effective special team guy in his own right so this might be the year that Bush finally gets the boot. I have a hard time believing they keep both guys unless one of our DBs ends up on the disabled list before the season starts.
I didn't know Hyde returned punts for 2 seasons at Iowa. For some reason, I trust him in that role. Not sure who would handle kickoffs if Ross doesn't make the roster. Franklin has shown nothing so far.
Originally Posted by heyward:
I didn't know Hyde returned punts for 2 seasons at Iowa. For some reason, I trust him in that role. Not sure who would handle kickoffs if Ross doesn't make the roster. Franklin has shown nothing so far.
It's funny that you say that because I feel the same vibe about Micah returning punts.
It's not really based on anything other than for some reason he just looks the part to me, from his demeanor. And those long gangly arms of his look like natural pigskin trappers, I guess.
Just something about the dude.He looks cool as a cucumber amidst chaos type of guy.
Hyde just looks like a football player with natural football skills. From what I've read he's somewhat limited in some coverages but he finds a way to get it done. The future looks pretty bright for him.
Biggest beef at Iowa...is he let a lot of punts go without trying to field or return them.
Was very sure handed...that was never an issue.
He can find his way through traffic and at the worst I think he can be a 7 yards and a cloud of dust returner for us.
I do not have the same trust for Ross....have the better feeling he could break one...but also have terrible feeling he will allow something dumdum to happen
Originally Posted by heyward (RE: Punt Returns):
Franklin has shown nothing so far.
Worse than that he looks disinterested in the roll. Outside of DJ Williams, Franklin has been one of the disappointments at the half-way point of preseason. My expectations were too high for the fourth rounder apparently.
I look at Franklin as a poor mans Reggie Bush. He's never running the ball between the tackles, especially given this OL's ability to open holes. He's never really returned punts or kick off's. That was really evident against St Louis when he half assed his way to field a punt, let it drop, and then touched a GB player for a turn over. Would have liked to have seen better effort but he's not a punt returner.
I'd like to see the guy get some opportunities out of the backfield as a 3rd down back. That's probably his best opportunity to show he can contribute. Haven't really seen much of it after two preseason games but maybe that's a reflection of MM keeping things under wraps?
There's no way he's getting cut though based on a few weeks of ineffectiveness. And there's no way to stash him on the practice squad either. He'd be gone, fast.
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
I'd like to see the guy get some opportunities out of the backfield as a 3rd down back. That's probably his best opportunity to show he can contribute. Haven't really seen much of it after two preseason games but maybe that's a reflection of MM keeping things under wraps?
More his poor pass protection based on what I've read.
Between Alex Green and now Franklin, it looks as if TT is looking for a poor man's Reggie Bush type player. I had/have high hopes for both, but haven't heard much to get excited about yet.
I really like how TT tries to build his offense to be multifaceted. Not content with a couple of good WR and a pass catching TE. He ads more TEs that can fill various roles. A dynamic player like Cobb who can do a lot of things. He is trying to find a Reggie Bush type 3rd down back and then also using a high pick on a bruiser like Lacy.
It is like he looks around the league and then tries to get his version of a Steven Jackson and his version of Daren Sproles or Reggie Bush...his version of Percy Harvin and his version of Jimmy Grahm or Gronk. Trying to get all of those weapon types on the same team.
If he dabbled in FA he could have the real Steven Jackson, Darren Sproles, Reggie Bush, Percy Harvin, Jimmy Graham... 
But then he wouldn't be tightwad Ted, pocketing all that extra salary cap money that he doesn't spend.
When I see Hyde play, I see LeRoy Butler. He could become really special.
If only they would put him at S.
Burnett
Hyde
Williams
Shields
Heyward
Much better than
Burnett
Doc Jennings
Williams
Shields
Heyward
He may well eventually end up there, but as of yesterday, he told Jason Wilde that he hasn't taken a snap at S or even discussed the possibility with the coaches. I think he's a CB for 2013.
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
If only they would put him at S.
Burnett
Hyde
Williams
Shields
Heyward
He doesn't have to be listed as a S for this group to be on the field at the same time.
I think Hyde is here to replace Jarrett Bush and become the combo CB/S and special teams ace
"He doesn't have to be listed as a S for this group to be on the field at the same time."
No, but if he is staring opposite of Burnett, the number of snaps he gets increases drastically.
I know Capers plays a lot of nickle on early downs, but it's typically just playing his 3rd CB . (That will be Heyward) In years past 5 db's, with Wood in the slot, was basically the base D (2 DL). I wonder if that will be Heyward this year or if we see more conventional 4 DB's and 3 DL's on early downs.
I wouldn't worry too much about making Hyde a S just to get him on the field sooner. He is a rookie and being the 4th CB on a team that plays a lot of nickle isn't a bad spot to be for a rookie.
He can watch and learn and be available if (or more likely when) one of the top 3 CBs misses some time during the season.
You had to say "when" didn't you...
Depending on how long hammys keep Heyward AND Burnett out, Hyde could be seeing tons of new work.
Originally Posted by IL_Pack_Fan:
He may well eventually end up there, but as of yesterday, he told Jason Wilde that he hasn't taken a snap at S or even discussed the possibility with the coaches. I think he's a CB for 2013.
Just like Butler...
