Rush Limbaugh has died

I failed the religiousity exam.

Wow, who woulda thought it would take the death of a great man like Rush Limbuagh to bring about such a stirring debate?

In case I get misinterpreted here, the fat bastard can rot in hell. Hell doesn't exist BTW, so he can just rot wherever his body or ashes end up.

@Floridarob posted:

My Hood? nice Henry. Fuck You!

I want that phrase as my X4 tag line.

#MH?NHFY

Now it’s a good thread.

Such hate from folks. Sad, really. Why cant people just live and let live. But no the haters gotta hate.

OK Doug, you tell us we should respect the life of Limbaugh no matter what he said.  But then you go 100% the other direction with Henry.  This is hypocrisy at it's greatest. 

When did Rush Limbaugh ever follow this advice?  He taught a generation to hate.

Full transparency.

When Rush came onto the scene, I was a traveling salesman who spent his days in the car—-he was “must listen” for right of center political discussions. On one of our first dates, I took Mrs. Kiel to the old Milwaukee Auditorium to see him on his “Rush to Excellence” Tour...Mrs. Kiel  called him “Rush Lumphead”

He was non pc before pc became a thing, hence the somewhat out of context comments by him you’ve read. That said, as the years went on, he did become increasingly partisan, more nasty and less funny (like Glen Beck) and reveled in helping many non free thinkers hit the hate button.

I moved on from him by 2000 or so, so I can’t even comment on what his schtick had been the past 20 years, other than the occasional outrageous shit that he pulled off with regularity.

That said, he has probably been one of the top 10 influencers  in politics over the past 30 years. He was quite a brand. Much like other unnamed (alleged) Republicans, somehow he attained a cult of personality, which is never a good thing, is it? (Unless it’s being an Elizabeth Hurley fan)

@DurangoDoug posted:

Such hate from folks. Sad, really. Why cant people just live and let live. But no the haters gotta hate.

Pug is about 10 years behind the sad tropes of “ownin’ libs”.   Get yourself a Pepe or a QAnon.

@DurangoDoug posted:

Such hate from folks. Sad, really. Why cant people just live and let live. But no the haters gotta hate.

I thought about a biting snarky response along the lines of “if you don’t like hate from folks and it bothers you when people can’t just live and let live, wait until I tell you about this what this Rush Limbaugh guy did!”

I thought about posting just a small selection in a lifetime of your hero’s bile filled hateful comments to point out the abject hypocrisy of your comment.

I thought about posting the old drug PSA video of “I learned it from you dad, I learned it from watching you ok”

But, at the end of the day, I just feel bad for you. It’s hard when a mirror is held up in front of you and you have to come to grips with it.

And that sentiment is real Pug because Timp can lay down a snark Ol’ Country Buffet.  So he really thinks you’re pathetic.  

The other problem is having to go through Rush’s sewage just to post it.  That’s why I like the Indy gif.  To the point.

@Sufferinginmn posted:

😉  I have no problem recognizing how someone can be immensely talented,

This is the problem. Limbaugh flunked out of college and went into radio. He took on such air names as "Bachelor Jeff" Christie and Rusty Sharpe....the problem is that he kept getting fired. He left radio for 4 years, returned in 1983. he kicked around some more until a something happened that was a godsend for him....the repeal of the "Fairness Doctrine", which had required that stations give equal airtime to any editorial commentary....this was gold for Rush, he found his niche' by being everyone's loud, drunk uncle at the Christmas party . He tapped into the worst of people .....doesn't this sound a lot like our last president, same "snake oil salesman" past? "Immensely talented" ....wow, that is a low bar.

Rush was an entertainer. I don't consider the things he did any different from an actor playing a Nazi in a movie. It's all fake, it's a character. Remember when Alex Jones admitted in his deposition that he was playing a character on a show? Where did he learn that from? Rush found an audience that wanted to hear something specific and he said it over and over and over until it was monetized. And he adapted over time to what his audience wanted to hear. Give the people what they want...celebrating the deaths of LGBTQ AIDS victims, belittling black athletes, disparaging women, etc. His audience is adult white men who feel threatened by every other group in society and want to hear i rationalized as to why those groups are less than. That's not exclusive to conservatives btw, Rush wasn't "cancelled" because his message isn't just for conservatives. If Rush believed he could make more money off being a SJW or liberal audience you better believe he would have followed that path.   

It’s too bad those types of entertainers become POTUS and cast the country into chaos.

He wasn’t a mere entertainer and there is blood his and others hands.  I do agree with you it’s a reflection of how sick our society is.  Instead of moving towards resolution of our past it tore the chasm wide open.  It again legitimized what we had just come to realize was illegitimate and evil even if it dwelled in so many people’s minds.  

There is only so much “freedom” in causing outright destruction.  This isn’t just opinions, it’s decades long sedition in the form of screaming "fire" in a crowded theater.  We actually use the excuse that “freedom of expression” is the ultimate pinnacle instead of finding ways to be morally responsible. It’s understandable why so many nations push back on American “freedom” and wish to establish democracies that mirror their society.  We talk about how capitalism brings freedom, which is complete horseshit.  That kind of libertarian robber baron pillaging strips cultures of their essence.  

The Japanese gladly accepted democracy after years of militarism but you will find a multitude of Japanese scholars and politicians who wished there was more elements of their society in the new democratic framework.  When they rose up to support the very freedoms we supposedly bestowed on them, we crushed it in the name of the Cold War.  

These are the deep seated meanings behind the bile that Rush spewed.  This cover of ‘fiscal and moral responsibility” was nothing more than another form of subjugation.  Freedom of speech was abused to run for cover and de facto disavow what he supposedly stood for.  

We are a sick culture.  We praise depravity and mock the earnest sacrifices of the morally responsible unknown heroes.  We worship militarists and a police state instead of praising the pioneers of a moral society.

He was the pinnacle of that sickness and it played out in full view for the last 4 years.

@Grave Digger posted:

Rush was an entertainer. I don't consider the things he did any different from an actor playing a Nazi in a movie. It's all fake, it's a character. Remember when Alex Jones admitted in his deposition that he was playing a character on a show? Where did he learn that from? Rush found an audience that wanted to hear something specific and he said it over and over and over until it was monetized. And he adapted over time to what his audience wanted to hear. Give the people what they want...celebrating the deaths of LGBTQ AIDS victims, belittling black athletes, disparaging women, etc. His audience is adult white men who feel threatened by every other group in society and want to hear i rationalized as to why those groups are less than. That's not exclusive to conservatives btw, Rush wasn't "cancelled" because his message isn't just for conservatives. If Rush believed he could make more money off being a SJW or liberal audience you better believe he would have followed that path.   

Have you been reading Stuart Stevens new book?

People seem to forget that H.W. ran as a liberal Republican against Reagan in 1980.  He was seemingly the last vestige of the Eisenhower wing of the party.  That extinction is what lead to our current state of affairs.  His own son was co-opted by what H.W. and others called “the kooks in the basement”.  Just like Friedman and Hayak who spawned the Chicago Boys, they were the “kooks in basement” and yet here we are in a neo-liberal paradise of no responsibility, some mythical belief in a moral invisible hand in the market.  McCarthy defeated Eisenhower.  

What’s even more insane is those “kooks in the basement” are now operations like The Lincoln Project.

Rush amplified this sickness to unheard of levels.  

@Blair Kiel posted:

Dude changed politics and media immensely. Expert self-promoter.

For the worse.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

Rush Limbaugh died of lung cancer. Here were his thoughts on smoking earlier.

On the dangers of secondhand smoking, and smoking in general: "That is a myth. That has been disproven at the World Health Organization and the report was suppressed. There is no fatality whatsoever. There's no even major sickness component associated with secondhand smoke. It may irritate you, and you may not like it, but it will not make you sick, and it will not kill you...Firsthand smoke takes 50 years to kill people, if it does. Not everybody that smokes gets cancer. Now, it's true that everybody who smokes dies, but so does everyone who eats carrots ... I would like a medal for smoking cigars, is what I'm saying."

What do the Buddhists call that again?

@DH13 posted:

He once had a regular segment where he read the names of some gay people who died of AIDS that day and had party horns and other sound effects.

So that's a great voice to represent people.

Florida Rob, conservative people support this? In that case I renounce my conservatism. You know it is not true, right? Lots of conservative folks denounced this piece of shit for what he did to our country. Because of people like him we have never been more divided.

If this thread is a microcosm of the coming together of political parties, we are all fucked....Cancel Culture if you dont believe a certain way and non acceptance of any type of dissenting opinion from both sides.  I can say the only reason I speak of anything poltical on here is anonymity.I would never discuss anything political in a social setting. Hell, discussing things on X4 is scary enough with the rhetoric that is spewed. I believe that things will get a lot worse before they get better and the only way I see it better is if we all, especial conservatives, acquiesce. It will no longer Make America Great Again, it will be a Make a New America. Hold on for the ride....

@Goalline posted:

Florida Rob, conservative people support this? In that case I renounce my conservatism. You know it is not true, right? Lots of conservative folks denounced this piece of shit for what he did to our country. Because of people like him we have never been more divided.

Absolutely not. I do know he said later that he totally regretted that. I have no idea what would cause someone to go down that road. I would not speak that way of a dying dog. He deserves any and all criticism for that.

We had a great chance for a reset recently.   Didn’t happen.  If it doesn’t happen after March 4 it probably won’t for quite a while.

I’m 72.  Probably won’t see it.

I really don't care about political parties and will call out Democrats as well as Republicans when they lie .... but the problem is that right now politicians who happen to be Republican and media who back them, just happen to lie with much more frequency than those who happen to be Democrat. The result is that a huge portion of our uneducated, gullible population (not saying that this is ALL Republicans, but a good % of Trump's base) believes every lie they hear. Having the Governor of Texas do an interview in which he never mentions "green energy" as having anything to do with their power outages but then within hours goes on Fox and puts blame on the "green deal" for the outages ....even though it only accounts for 10% of the power grid in Texas. This, after Tucker Carlson proclaimed that Texas has become "totally reliant" on wind turbines. Crazy when you hear people repeating what they've heard from Hannity & Carlson, even though it is untrue, but you can't change their minds with facts as long as people with an audience are allowed to lie in the name of "free speech"  

@Floridarob posted:

If this thread is a microcosm of the coming together of political parties, we are all fucked....Cancel Culture if you dont believe a certain way and non acceptance of any type of dissenting opinion from both sides.  I can say the only reason I speak of anything poltical on here is anonymity.I would never discuss anything political in a social setting. Hell, discussing things on X4 is scary enough with the rhetoric that is spewed. I believe that things will get a lot worse before they get better and the only way I see it better is if we all, especial conservatives, acquiesce. It will no longer Make America Great Again, it will be a Make a New America. Hold on for the ride....

You're scared of rhetoric? Meanwhile you're hot raging mad because people are not genuflecting in deference to a racist, misogynist, homophobic pig that did nothing but spew rhetoric every moment of his life?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

FLPackfan. all media outlets fabricate stuff and not just Carlson and Hannity. We watched as the Cuomo brothers did their nightly comedy routine during the pandemic and made us all believe that things were being handled well in New York. I have to say I was impressed with Cuomo handling of the Pandemic at the time and thought Trump should take a lesson from him. And the damn left gave him some award for how he handled it. Now the muderer is under investigation for the way he handled it. And now his younger brother goes silent in response. Screw them all.

@Floridarob posted:

oh and shame on that conservative right leaning George Wallace. He really brought the conservative movement down with his racists actions...What? He was a democrat? No Effing way!!

Interesting that you have to go back to the stone age to find the racists you disagree with.

@Floridarob posted:

Absolutely not. I do know he said later that he totally regretted that. I have no idea what would cause someone to go down that road. I would not speak that way of a dying dog. He deserves any and all criticism for that.

I am all for redemption. Glad he took it back. Lots of Dems did the same with gay marriage. I remember Obama stating before he was elected that he did not support gay marriage.

@Timpranillo posted:

You're scared of rhetoric? Meanwhile you're hot raging mad because people are not genuflecting in deference to a racist, misogynist, homophobic pig that did nothing but spew rhetoric every moment of his life?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

well lets just say we dont see his life the same way. Rage all you want. I doubt you spent five minutes ever listening to him.

And no I am not scared of rhetoric. I just dont want a bunch of wackos out in my front yard confronting my wife and family because they know I dont support their views of ILLEGAL immigrants, transgender women running in events against naturally born females, and a myriad of other beliefs that I am against.

I’m with you on the New York Gov, if he did something wrong, fabricated etc take him to court.  I haven’t been closely following but what I think I know is he suggested, allowed or ordered (take your pick) that when COVID patients were ready to be released they be released to nursing homes, right?  Then this decision caused the alleged fabrication, lying, threatening etc.

My question,  where else were they to be released to?

@Floridarob posted:

FLPackfan. all media outlets fabricate stuff and not just Carlson and Hannity. We watched as the Cuomo brothers did their nightly comedy routine during the pandemic and made us all believe that things were being handled well in New York. I have to say I was impressed with Cuomo handling of the Pandemic at the time and thought Trump should take a lesson from him. And the damn left gave him some award for how he handled it. Now the muderer is under investigation for the way he handled it. And now his younger brother goes silent in response. Screw them all.

I agree, living in NYS I saw it the same way. Initially Cuomo did a great job, but then his "kyriptonite".... his ego took over. Comparing us to other states, writing a book, etc. ... I do think that some of what he did early falls under "the ends justify the means" since what I see in my area is that COVID "sensibility" seems to run across party lines and is much better than in many states, but yes, his brother & Don Lemon are unwatchable with their arrogance, but they still come nowhere near the "false statement ratio" that their Fox counterparts spew.

You should wish for a new America with a new fully representative government in the form of parliamentary democracy.  Two parties allows for garbage like Rush and Trump or the Clintons to take control.  You don't toe the line, you're out.  Parliamentary process and ranked voting strips these pukes of immense power.  Media also becomes beholden because they don't get to pitch just one of two party lines.  People are fed up, they can form their own representative party and chose to form alliances with who they wish.  When you win, you control government.  There are no bullshit checks and balances put in place to protect slave owning traitors.  Your government loses support, your government dissolved and a new government is formed. 

The green new deal has nothing to do with the current deal in Texas.

i would not have a problem with a new government set up. The problem now is the polarizing extremes of the existing parties. There is no middle ground. It is sick to see the McConnels, Pelosis, Bidens, Schumers, and others getting rich just because they can get a segment of their parties to lean and vote a certain way. They represent themselves and their greed not the majority of the people. It will not change in my or even my grand kids life time....

By the way, Bob Dole looks to be in a bad way.  I disagreed with just about all of what he proposed over the years.  But he as far I know he was a fine man, veteran of a real war, well liked by all he worked with and a tough but fair political opponent.

He earned my respect and I hope all goes well for him.

@DurangoDoug posted:

May he rest in peace. He was influential. His time is gone now. Who will be next? Time waits for no one. And it wont wait for you. So, all you sanctimonious, righteous bystanders claiming some sort of victory here are sadly the sort of losers we need to curtail. The man died, he deserves a modicum of respect for his accomplishments. JMHO  You will meet your maker soon enough..

He deserves the same respect he paid to people who opposed him. NONE!

Coumo deserves all the shit he is getting right now. 

Doesn't mean he's cancelled, but accountable. 

@Pikes Peak posted:

The green new deal has nothing to do with the current deal in Texas.

Correct.  It's a laughable draw-dropping level lie being pushed by the TX GOP members who are paid by big oil.  How difficult is it to see that the GND and no part of it has ever been passed anywhere and that the TX power grid is pretty much sovereign from the rest of the country?  And has been managed by overwhelmingly republican representatives for the last several decades?

And by the way, the turbines in AK and even the Antarctic don't freeze up.  They winterized their assets, TX did not.  If you think this will be the last climate disruption caused by the polar vortex getting interrupted and sinking south due to rising temperatures in the arctic, I have some waterfront property to sell you in Miami.

I have family in Tx, they are repeating it because they believe the man they voted for.  GND is hosing them, wind towers is why they don't have electrify. 

Big lies should have big consequences 

Like impeachment?