phaedrus posted:espn radio in Milwaukee saying MM not happy should Russ Ball be hired. Even suggesting an outside shot he could quit.
(Also Rodgers not psyched with Ball as well.)
If that's true,
1. The latter is more important than the former.
2. Not surprising given that it's Ball's job to negotiate team friendly contracts.
Silverstein reported that the BoD insisted Murphy make the move on Thompson. Murphy admittantly denied that.
McGinn reports McCarthy would quit if Ball is the GM. McCarthy says, multiple times, that the new GM and him have to 'fit'. He has 2 yrs left on his deal for ~$18mm. Kids are entrenched in GB. Wife's 2 sons from previous marriage are HS age, and athletes. Believe he really wants to stay there.
Really, really, really would like to know what Rodgers is thinking about now.
Other than which starlet he could bang next.
Interesting. CHI and DET looking for new HC's. Wonder how many teams may be waiting for dust to settle in GB before making pick.
Let's see how good the P'burgh 'Cho is without #12.
listening to that podcast will make question what the hell is going on. Could you imagine Ball getting the job and then MM leaving. Murphy would have to know the fallout. Could AR push his way out of town if the thing gets blown up. This could get ugly.
McCarthy has no place to comment on Ball or anyone else in the running for the GM position. Go ahead and leave! It's not like you've been a shining star Mike.
During his time as an NFL coach, yeah, he actually has been. You can look it up.
Murphy said McCarthy is their guy, a few times, during his presser. Don't let the Alfred E. Neuman look fool you.
Brak posted:During his time as an NFL coach, yeah, he actually has been. You can look it up.
Seriously. You can take issue with some of the play-calling occasionally and laugh at the faces he makes on the sideline, but in the end, Mike McCarthy has been a very good head coach. His record speaks for itself. Other teams have accomplished far less with greater talent.
If anything, I think TT's approach to building the team limited MM. You can only play the cards you're dealt.
PackFoo posted:Let's see how good the P'burgh 'Cho is without #12.
Probably a lot better with a good D behind him.
Seems to me there is a lot of people throwing **** at the wall to see what sticks.
PackFoo posted:Let's see how good the P'burgh 'Cho is without #12.
We have
Lambeau Lobo posted:Brak posted:During his time as an NFL coach, yeah, he actually has been. You can look it up.
Seriously. You can take issue with some of the play-calling occasionally and laugh at the faces he makes on the sideline, but in the end, Mike McCarthy has been a very good head coach. His record speaks for itself. Other teams have accomplished far less with greater talent.
If anything, I think TT's approach to building the team limited MM. You can only play the cards you're dealt.
Yep exactly. Is MM perfect no absolutely not but there are many on this board over the years that have complemented him very highly for the job he has done given some of the circumstances he has had to deal with.
I also used to be a strong TT supporter but I am starting to think that it is not a coincidence that TT is no longer the GM and MM is still there and that is because he did limit MM and it showed especially this year.
Ugh, this whole thing is turning into a Game of Thrones. I really don't care for any of it. The one thing the Packers have had for the last 25 years is continuity and stability. I really don't even know who Russ Ball is except what I hear around here. I don't know what assistant coach is good or commands respect or whatever and I don't think most people outside the locker room do either. But there are some troubling points even from my view.
If Russ Ball was always the guy, then it makes the organization look bad to go through the motions to interview others.
If the BOD had to intervene then either something is wrong with Murphy or the BOD is overstepping where they should be.
If both the DC and OC and several coaches all needed to go at the same time, then really should the HC have been retained.
This one is out there, but if they were planning on replacing Dom and interviewing assistants to take his place (bad idea in my view), then they should have released him after Carolina and given one of them the chance to see what he could do. In fact, it probably would have not hurt if they had done it after week 3 or 4.
Personally, I thought the only thing they needed to do was bring in an DC and let him decide (with the HC) which defensive assistants to retain. But I now understand there could be some issues causing TT to be replaced. It just seems as if this organization is reacting and not acting.
They are so confident of McCarthy's ability as a HC that they extended him one year during the season without anyone's knowledge. That's a serious "cover your ass" move to avoid the lame duck question for 2018.
If the Packers truly thought he was their guy they would have inked him to a much longer extension.
I actually think MM got exposed pretty badly this year on number of levels. His propensity to protect underachievers is legendary and quite frankly without Rodgers he's no difference maker.
Don't be surprised if the new GM pulls a Mike Sherman move on him.
Tschmack posted:They are so confident of McCarthy's ability as a HC that they extended him one year during the season without anyone's knowledge. That's a serious "cover your ass" move to avoid the lame duck question for 2018.
If the Packers truly thought he was their guy they would have inked him to a much longer extension.
I actually think MM got exposed pretty badly this year on number of levels. His propensity to protect underachievers is legendary and quite frankly without Rodgers he's no difference maker.
Don't be surprised if the new GM pulls a Mike Sherman move on him.
This is not a 'cover your keister' move, it's just a logical move when you are changing front office leadership. The new GM needs time to evaluate his staff and personnelā¦and get ready for the draft. Get that house in 'your' order first, evaluate the 2018 season and decide then.
I guess what bothers me about this whole process is that it seems pre-ordained for Ball to be the next GM and the Packers are just going through the motions. If indeed MM and TT plotted out some scheme for Ball to take over when TT hung up the clipboard, then so be it...make the moves and insert Ball into the GM and save everybody a lot of time and worry. But don't tell us the contrary and then do the expected. In this regard, Murphy and the Packers are not doing any favors for Russ Ball and the others.
Which brings to mind our HC...perhaps last fall MM got wind of the deal to move out TT and hire Ball? Maybe the thought of that happening weakened McCarthy's resolve which in turn influenced his coaching and psyche...which then transferred to the team's poor performance. And if you don't believe it, just stop to remember how crappy they looked vs Baltimore, Vikes and then the last game against the Lions. Shutout twice at Lambeau??
When there is indecision, apprehension or uncertainty at the top of an organization it trickles down and becomes apparent in production and results.
Maybe Murphy knows exactly what he is doing? Maybe he's a very stable genius?
He had a sledding hill built didn't he?
$3 a run.
GBP1 posted:Which brings to mind our HC...perhaps last fall MM got wind of the deal to move out TT and hire Ball? Maybe the thought of that happening weakened McCarthy's resolve which in turn influenced his coaching and psyche...which then transferred to the team's poor performance. And if you don't believe it, just stop to remember how crappy they looked vs Baltimore, Vikes and then the last game against the Lions. Shutout twice at Lambeau??
So when we were 4-1 Mike was influenced by something that he may never knew about? And then he tanked on purpose? When are people going to understand the season turned out like it did because we had a $hitty QB. And a bad DC. And a bad special teams coach who is still employed.
I know people like the 'Zooked' commentary, but I though the STs progressed the best throughout the year of all the different groups on the team. RB group is a close 2nd.
Why couldn't Zook teach Davis NOT to field kicks inside the 10?
bvan posted:Why couldn't Zook teach Davis NOT to field kicks inside the 10?
Well, there is that
The kid has speed. Just needs to understand where he is located on the field.
When you're at the 5 yard line....wave fair catch then run forward while letting the ball go over your head. Is it that difficult to coach that up?
Why Zook needs to go
Whelp, maybe Zook has told Davis to do that....but just think he knows better during the action on the field to listen? They don't bench him because of his speed and athleticism. Maybe they should fine him for each bonehead play.
"NFL players today are so much more athletic than those of yesteryear.... but not any smarter."
ammo posted:GBP1 posted:Which brings to mind our HC...perhaps last fall MM got wind of the deal to move out TT and hire Ball? Maybe the thought of that happening weakened McCarthy's resolve which in turn influenced his coaching and psyche...which then transferred to the team's poor performance. And if you don't believe it, just stop to remember how crappy they looked vs Baltimore, Vikes and then the last game against the Lions. Shutout twice at Lambeau??
So when we were 4-1 Mike was influenced by something that he may never knew about? And then he tanked on purpose? When are people going to understand the season turned out like it did because we had a $hitty QB. And a bad DC. And a bad special teams coach who is still employed.
Hey, Rodgers was the glue that held this team together. Quite apparent it is now. And embarrassing too. No player even if he is Aaron Rodgers, should be so valuable to a team, that in his absence the team completely disintegrates.
His absence could have been the tipping point and maybe sooner than later. Odds are the Packers would have ended up in the playoffs getting bounced out again as we have seen the last 5-6 years.
MM didn't tank it on purpose. He and his staff, after 2.5 years, failed to prepare Hundley. Despite his increased oversight in the defense, the D stunk to high-heaven. We witnessed players underperforming with no consequences. But maybe it was all too much and he just lost his conviction to rally the team. How else do you explain such a lousy losing performance in the last three games of the year?
Russ Ball will remain with the Packers and work alongside new GM Brian Gutekunst in a similar role to what he had before. Both, along with coach Mike McCarthy, will report to team president Mark Murphy, which is a change from the past. Previously, McCarthy reported to the GM. This was done to improve the lines of communication throughout the management team and is becoming more common in the NFL.
Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff WriterMurphy probably wanted this structure for a while but wasn't going to do anything to publicly diss TT. Now he has his shot to set it up the way he wants.
This means Gutekunst can recommend a coaching change to Murphy but he canāt execute it without Murphyās approval. Same thing with Ball, who has been promoted to Executive VP of football operations.
ā Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 8, 2018
Pretty significant change.
Checks and balances are good.
Does Gutie still have final say in the draft?
It looks like Murphy can still **** this up
The shorter the owner/president's arms, the better.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Does Gutie still have final say in the draft?
It looks like Murphy can still **** this up
So much for Murphy saying the GM could hire and fire the new coach. Sounds like Murphy really wanted Ball to be GM, knew he didn't have the personnel chops, and was hoping Wolf or Elliot would stay on to advise on those decisions. However, because of media pushback that indicated McCarthy and Rodgers weren't happy with Ball, he came up with Plan B where Ball is the GM in all but name.
In this plan, Gutie is just the personnel guy, Ball retains the majority of power that a GM otherwise has regarding spending, budget, etc, and Murphy "makes the final decisions" on head coach. Looks to me as far as the head coach goes like this is a cut-out for Ball to recommend to hire/fire a head coach and Murphy rubber stamps it.
I agree
To me this looks like McCarthy rose the most in terms of front office say, but that does not mean he has the most. Just, he has a helluva lot more than he did last week.
Appears that Gutekunst has the final word on personnel.
Ball's role isn't changing IMO, just an additional title.
How many profile pics does demovsky have?
slowmo posted:Brainwashed Boris posted:Does Gutie still have final say in the draft?
It looks like Murphy can still **** this up
and was hoping Wolf or Elliot would stay on to advise on those decisions.
