Russ Ball

slowmo posted:

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Does Gutie still have final say in the draft?

It looks like Murphy can still **** this up

So much for Murphy saying the GM could hire and fire the new coach.  Sounds like Murphy really wanted Ball to be GM, knew he didn't have the personnel chops, and was hoping Wolf or Elliot would stay on to advise on those decisions.  However, because of media pushback  that indicated McCarthy and Rodgers weren't happy with Ball, he came up with Plan B where Ball is the GM in all but name.

In this plan, Gutie is just the personnel guy, Ball retains the majority of power that a GM otherwise has regarding spending, budget, etc, and Murphy "makes the final decisions" on head coach.  Looks to me as far as the head coach goes like this is a cut-out for Ball to recommend to hire/fire a head coach and Murphy rubber stamps it.

I hate this....   I think you nailed it and I hate it. 

"Because of media pushback"

Come on. Murph would've known where people stood on different candidates.

etc. etc.

Too many conspiracy theories these days for my tastes. Sometimes things really are what they are advertised as being.

It's irrelevant now anyway. We won't see it for awhile, but why not take a deep breath and watch how this new FO structure works.

I'm more interested right now in seeing how MM fills out/realigns the coaching staff. And what new and entertaining way the Vikings will come up with to choke in the playoffs.

New structure likely makes some nervous because they remember the results in the past when the executive committee meddled in football decisions, and it wasn't good. Too early to freak out and push the panic button but does bear keeping a close eye on.

ilcuqui posted:

"Because of media pushback"

Come on. Murph would've known where people stood on different candidates.

etc. etc.

Too many conspiracy theories these days for my tastes. Sometimes things really are what they are advertised as being.

It's irrelevant now anyway. We won't see it for awhile, but why not take a deep breath and watch how this new FO structure works.

I'm more interested right now in seeing how MM fills out/realigns the coaching staff. And what new and entertaining way the Vikings will come up with to choke in the playoffs.

From the Packers own website six days ago:  "The structure remains in place for the GM to have authority over the head coach, and the head coach will maintain control over his coaching staff, as McCarthy continues to assemble and align his staff for the coming season."  
http://www.packers.com/news-an...d5-87a6-e89fd1bc2ad9

And this:  "Gutekunst said Murphy didn’t mention the restructure during his interviews Friday and Saturday. It wasn’t until he received the job offer that they discussed how the newly defined responsibilities will work."  http://www.packersnews.com/sto...comes-gm/1012881001/

Not liking this at all but will follow ilcuqui's thoughts. 

Let's get a kick-ass DC that the players play for. 

Ron Wolf told McGinn he wouldn't have even interviewed had that structure existed.

Weird that his son did.

Structure didn't exist until Gute got the job offer.

Murphy changed it on the fly

So is Murphy the new Dominic Olejniczak

Or the new Bob Harlan?

YATittle posted:

Or the new Bob Harlan?

I dunno ...but one thing is certain. 

Gutekunst has {snip} a Packer {snip} name {snip} 

That’s oldschool.

There ain't no such thing as bad kunst, it's just some's better than others.

Ron Wolf's butthurt is showing since his boy was passed over.  

I wonder if anyone has asked if RW would have ever considered hiring someone who is 35 for a GM position? Baseball may take a chance, but football seems a little more traditional in structure. It is changing in regards to coaching, but I'm not sure a mid-30s worker has seen enough through scouting, etc., to be top dog and be really successful at it.

Ron Wolf was 37 when he was appointed GM of Tampa Bay in 1975.  Note that this was for an expansion team, not a full fledged organization.  I don't know why Eliot wasn't hired, but I think it would have more to do with his limited background in college scouting and how he interviewed vs. his age, but then again with Murphy involved it could have been the color of his suit.

Wolf couldn't have fired Infante under the current structure. That's likely why he said he wouldn't have interviewed.

Re-read some of this thread from 2018. 6 years+ ago now

I highly doubt Russ Ballz would have had the success in the past 3 drafts that Gutey has had.

Mr. Ball will have more cash to spend with the big cap increase

And the young Packers who played a lot of snaps can celebrate too because they'll be in line for Performance Based payouts. And the league just added another 1 million to that pool of cash for each team. Its a way to reward young guys on rookie contracts who end up playing a lot of snaps. There's a formula to calculate the bonuses and some of them are substantial. Runyan got an extra $780K in 2022 as one example - and it doesn't count against the cap.

Should be good news $$ for a lot of the Packers' youngsters

“Under the Performance-Based Pay program, a fund is created and used as a supplemental form of player compensation based on a comparison of playing time to salary. Players become eligible to receive a bonus distribution in any regular season in which they play at least one official down.

In general, players with higher playtime percentages and lower salaries benefit most from the pool.”

“Performance-Based Pay is computed by using a player index (“Index”). To produce the Index, a player’s “PBP Playtime” (defined as the player’s regular season total plays played on offense, defense, and special teams, divided by the number of plays of the player with the most total combined plays on that team) is divided by his “PBP Compensation” (defined as regular season full salary, prorated portion of signing bonus, earned incentives). Each player’s Index is then compared to those of the other players on his team to determine the amount of his Performance-Based Pay. If a player’s base salary is less than the Minimum Salary of a player with seven or more Credited Seasons, then player’s base salary will be imputed to be equal to the Minimum Salary of a player with seven or more Credited Seasons (i.e., $1.120M for the 2022 season). By imputing a minimum salary of $1.120 million, a slightly higher percentage of the pool is directed to high-performing veteran players whose salaries exceed $1.120 million, but are not among the highest in the league, as contemplated by the formula. This imputation of salary is solely for the purpose of calculating distributions from the pool and does not affect the actual salary paid to the player under his contract.”

https://nflcommunications.com/...ance-Based%20Pay.pdf

I didn't even know that...that's cool for the guys.

Playoff teams still make some pocket change, although the amounts reported depend on the source.

From Investopedia.com:
"During the 2022-2023 NFL season, the players earned $46,500 for winning a wild-card game and $41,500 for losing one. The divisional round earns $46,5000 and $69,000 for the conference championship game. Players on a Super Bowl winner receive $157,000 each; the losing team walk away with $82,000 each".

It’s that time of year, let Russ cook

@TomPelissero:  More salary cap savings ...

The #Packers restructured LB Rashan Gary's deal, clearing $4.781M.

Russ cooked us a shit sandwich with #12 and #69.    Can we get takeout?  Eddie Lacy style, hashtag ChinaFood.

The salary cap is a little bit like speed limits.  The posted number is pretty much a suggestion if you play your cards right. But if you push it often enough, you're bound to get in a pickle.

Hindsight on 12 and 69.

@BrainDed posted:

Russ cooked us a shit sandwich with #12 and #69.    Can we get takeout?  Eddie Lacy style, hashtag ChinaFood.

The #12 special is a better deal. Comes with a side of nuts.

@H5 posted:

       

I hope he doesn't die before getting his gold watch.

@PackerHawk posted:

The #12 special is a better deal. Comes with a side of nuts.

Although the #69 comes with a 32 ounce draft beer. Choose wisely!

Pretty good sign that Preston Smith will be back

@FieldYates:   The Packers and OLB Preston Smith have agreed to a restructured contract that creates $2.4M in cap space for the team in 2024. Smith’s compensation for this year is now $10M.

I like it. Smith had a good year last year.

@Shadow posted:

I hope he doesn't die before getting his gold watch.

Someone heard him gumble, "I'm too old for this shit".

@ilcuqui posted:

Pretty good sign that Preston Smith will be back

@FieldYates:   The Packers and OLB Preston Smith have agreed to a restructured contract that creates $2.4M in cap space for the team in 2024. Smith’s compensation for this year is now $10M.

Demovsky says its a straight- up pay cut, going from $12.4M to $10 M in salary for the 2024 season. That's great work by Ball, getting cap relief and not pushing anything out into future.

Solid locker room leader too that a lot of the guys look up to.

So someone who actually did take less money to help the team.

Getting your CB1 to take a payout is wizardry.

@KenIngalls:

🚨More unexpected salary cap news!

Packers will have a positive 2024 cap adjustment of $5,561,176 (more cap space!).

This is in addition to their cap carryover from 2023. This is $4.5M higher than an estimate I was using.

A lot of this is made of cap items charged but not earned in 2023.

Per-game bonuses for Bakh, Jones, Jaire, Ford, Campbell; Offseason workout bonuses credited back for not attending OTAs; other incentives, etc.

The additional cap space will go a long way in giving 10 his new contract, and locking up some of the keepers.