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Heard a crazy stat today. 

 

In games when Wilson had a worse QBR rating than the opposing QB. His record in those games is 12-7.

 

Tom Brady in games when his QBR is worse than opposing QB. 11-22 lifetime. 

 

Aaron Rodgers? 1-17.

 

So aside from the obvious that if Aaron Rodgers isn't on GB ain't winning. It's kind of been the same for Brady only Brady has a bigger body of work. 

 

But wholy balls Russ. You can suck that often and still post a really strong winning %? How about Russ already having 19 games when his QB rating was worse than the opponent in 3 effing years? That's more than AR total. 

 

And Seattle is giving him $100 million?!?!?!?!?

 

Sando from ESPN had these stats so if I find a link I'll post it. 

Great get, Chilli.

 

Advantage of playing with a great defense behind you. All you need is for Wilson to make a few splash plays (which he will, in most games) and ride Lynch.

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Not sure this is the right topic for this.......but Schneider may have cost the Seahawks this Super Bowl with the Harvin trade.  If he hadn't traded for Harvin, it's pretty easy to imagine that they keep Golden Tate, who showed his year that he's a legit top 20 WR in the league (finished 6th and 7th in catches and yards, respectively).  Very easy to assume no Harvin  means they keep Tate.  

 

Plus, they could have used their 2013 first round pick that they traded for Harvin on any of the following guys:

 

-Xavier Rhodes - Despite how stacked their secondary was, Browner was in last year of his deal and Maxwell hadn't stepped up yet.  Rhodes fits the size they like in CBs.  

-Deandre Hopkins - 1,000 yd WR that would easily be Seattle's best pass catcher. 

-Cordarelle Patterson - Not in Hopkins class but would have started for this Seattle team and added as dynamic a player as Harvin without all the drama.  

-Zach Ertz - Had a solid year for Philly, would easily have been their #1 TE.  

 

Schneider doesn't trade for Harvin and it's very easy to imagine this team has Tate and one of the above guys, both of whom would have significantly increased Seattle's odds of winning.  Hindsight is 20/20 and Seattle probably still should have won but I don't think Schneider has received enough criticism for how truly awful that Harvin trade really was.  

Schneider grabbed one head-case - Lynch- and it worked really well

Schneider grabbed another head-case - Harvin-  and it blew up really bad

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This is the choice with free agent aquisitions.  Schneider is more active, so he increases his hits and his misses.  TT minimizes the misses, but also misses out on more hits.  Schneider's approach is clearly more effective in the short run because he increases the odds of getting good talent, but how does that approach work in the long run when each miss has the potential to hurt salary cap management?

Don't just blame Schneider. IIRC Carroll has personnel say if not control, does he not?  No way Harvin gets traded for or traded away without Pete's fingerprints all over it. Schneider should be pilloried for trade terms and salary, though, no question.

 

Originally Posted by CUPackFan:

Not sure this is the right topic for this.......but Schneider may have cost the Seahawks this Super Bowl with the Harvin trade.  If he hadn't traded for Harvin, it's pretty easy to imagine that they keep Golden Tate, who showed his year that he's a legit top 20 WR in the league (finished 6th and 7th in catches and yards, respectively).  Very easy to assume no Harvin  means they keep Tate.  

 

Plus, they could have used their 2013 first round pick that they traded for Harvin on any of the following guys:

 

-Xavier Rhodes - Despite how stacked their secondary was, Browner was in last year of his deal and Maxwell hadn't stepped up yet.  Rhodes fits the size they like in CBs.  

-Deandre Hopkins - 1,000 yd WR that would easily be Seattle's best pass catcher. 

-Cordarelle Patterson - Not in Hopkins class but would have started for this Seattle team and added as dynamic a player as Harvin without all the drama.  

-Zach Ertz - Had a solid year for Philly, would easily have been their #1 TE.  

 

Schneider doesn't trade for Harvin and it's very easy to imagine this team has Tate and one of the above guys, both of whom would have significantly increased Seattle's odds of winning.  Hindsight is 20/20 and Seattle probably still should have won but I don't think Schneider has received enough criticism for how truly awful that Harvin trade really was.  

..listening to the Seahawks, if they kept Harvin they made not have even made the playoffs. They attributed their turnaround to getting back to the culture they had developed. No doubt they were talking about Harvin & how he was killing team chemistry by not "buying in". Addition by subtraction.....never underestimate its power. 

The Seahawks roster structure with their recent and upcoming contracts will dictate that they'll have to continue to go cheap at positions like OL and WR.  To their credit, the contracts that they've given out are for 4-star players (Thomas, Chancellor, Sherman, Bennett, and soon to be Lynch, Wagner and arguably Wilson).  They're not overpaying for the AJ Hawks and Brad Jones of the NFL.

Looks like the Seahawks will be somewhere around 28 million under the cap next year. Figure around 4 million for their draft class so more like 24 million. 

 

If they use Joe Flacco's contract as a template, which to me seems the most logical (if they are indeed looking to pay him like an elite QB) considering their age (Wilson is 26, Flacco was 28 when he signed) and their accomplishments, it's likely Wilson's cap number for 2015 will be somewhere between 7 and 8 million. Again that's a lot of IFs, but IF they are planning to extend Wilson that seems like the most likely scenario. That takes them down to around 17 million in cap space.

 

So when it comes to extending Lynch, that's where it gets dicey for them. His cap number is 8.5 million in 2015 as it is, 3.5 million is guaranteed. More than likely they will convert his 2015 salary to a signing bonus money (just a guess). At 28 I can't imagine they commit to more than a 3 year extension, especially with his running style. I would guess, if he wants to be the highest paid RB and they want to protect themselves, his cap number will be somewhere around 13 million. Again that's IF he truly wants to be the highest paid RB and they are willing to do that. Right now his cap number is 8 million. 

 

That leaves them around 4 million to re-sign: starting DT Kevin Williams, starting OG James Carpenter, starting CB Byron Maxwell, starting WR Ricardo Lockette, starting WR Jermaine Kearse, and contributors OLB O'Brien Schofield, ILB Heath Farwell, OLB Malcolm Smith, and S Jeron Johnson. I honestly don't see how they can make Lynch the highest paid RB in the league, re-sign Wilson AND keep their roster intact. 

Nice write up GD.  Pretty spot on, they will really struggle to keep all those guys.  Maxwell is in line for at least $5-6m a year and Lockette and Kearse are in line for about $2-4m each.  Carpenter had a solid year too, so guessing $4-5m.  Malcolm Smith is probably $2m a year.  I don't know a whole lot about the other guys but assuming the veteran minimum.  

 

Again, Schneider blew the Harvin trade way bigger than anyone is willing to say and he's had 2 very poor draft classes in a row.  You need cheap talent and Seattle is running low on that.  

I'm guessing they ditch Carpenter because their blocking scheme doesn't require elite talent to function, which is why they ditched Breno in favor of a rookie RT. My guess is that they draft a Guard, but Alvin Bailey starts in place of Carpenter.

Maxwell will be an interesting one because of their depth. If Jeremy Lane hadn't suffered a gruesome arm injury I would say they would be willing to let Maxwell walk (ala Brandon Browner), elevate Lane, and draft another talented player. I guess it depends on how bad that injury was and what the recovery time is.

And despite what they think of themselves, Lockette and Kearse are completely replaceable BUT that means you have to draft depth to replace them when they desperately need to draft DL and OL depth...unless you bring back aging vets like Kevin Williams hoping he holds out for another year.

Schneider and Carroll have a hard job ahead of them. Wilson's deal is manageable, but everything revolves around Lynch's demands. He's the wildcard that could make life very hard for them.

If I was the Seattle GM I would have to think long and hard about signing Lynch to a huge contract.  The guy is approaching 30, has taken a ton of hits, and from things I have read seems to grate on the organization sometimes. Yes he is one of the best in the league and has produced results but how long can he go without the wheels falling off? 

That's not a bad call Pikes Peak, but they are going to have to outbid Jerruh Jones for his services. And now that the furor is over, Minny is thinking about keeping him to give BridgeUnderwater a fighting chance

I don't see MIN letting AP move on for the same reason.

 

I also don't see SEA letting Lynch go but the deal will look like what Andrew Brandt commented a few days ago. Big money for 2015, and then we'll look again after that. Schneider built a strong defense and knew that with Lynch they didn't need an elite QB, that's why I think they brought Flynn in initially. They'll need a replacement for Lynch, so I can see them drafting someone like Gurley @ 31.

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Wilson tossed 4 INTS vs GB and another killer one vs the Pats

He is not yet a stud QB without the beast mode. He may get there someday, but right now they need Lynch bad and the SB debacle just gives Marshawn more leverage.

My personal opinion is that the 'Hawks have crested and passed their apex. Still a very good team, but they won't be able to keep all the stars, and they lost the DC who put it all together.

"Not yet"? He never will be a great quarterback. He's Doug Flutie 2.0. The only difference between the two is that Flutie had to go to the CFL to figure things out after Ditka ruined him. Wilson was fortunate to land in a good spot from the start.

Originally Posted by packerboi:

@RapSheet

How much of a beast is S Earl Thomas? Played in Super Bowl with a separated shoulder & torn labrum. Having surgery, out 6-8 months

 

Maybe a beast, but he can't hold a candle to Clay Matthews.  It takes a real man to admit he's hurt and sit out while your defense gives up back to back scoring drives.  And then play in the probowl a week later.

 

Originally Posted by RushRunner:
Originally Posted by packerboi:

@RapSheet

How much of a beast is S Earl Thomas? Played in Super Bowl with a separated shoulder & torn labrum. Having surgery, out 6-8 months

 

Maybe a beast, but he can't hold a candle to Clay Matthews.  It takes a real man to admit he's hurt and sit out while your defense gives up back to back scoring drives.  And then play in the probowl a week later.

 

man, that's calling 'em like you see 'em

Originally Posted by RushRunner:
Originally Posted by packerboi:

@RapSheet

How much of a beast is S Earl Thomas? Played in Super Bowl with a separated shoulder & torn labrum. Having surgery, out 6-8 months

 

Maybe a beast, but he can't hold a candle to Clay Matthews.  It takes a real man to admit he's hurt and sit out while your defense gives up back to back scoring drives.  And then play in the probowl a week later.

 

Didn't Seattle give up back to back scoring drives with that glowing example of a man warrior on the field that cost Seattle a Super Bowl? 

 

Stop wasting everyone's time with jackass nonsense. 

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One Gronkowski gave the quite the lesson to the legion of doom in that SB too.

 

Hopefully in 2015 that's Rich Rod but AR having a real weapon in 2015 at TE would be a hell of an addition.

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Originally Posted by YooperPackfan:       

Originally Posted by Hungry5:

Ted's trading back, so don't get too giddy.

Nope!! This is the year he trades up

 

For who? Or is it whom?

 

 

Inside the NFL, SB49 2nd half high-lights

 

The interesting part of this to me is at the 2:00 mark when Wilson tells Bevell to have confidence in him.

 

And then at 12:15, after the Butler INT, the grin from Lynch as he passes Carroll.  

 

 

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This is after Wilson convinced Pete to go for "that back shoulder ball" with 6 seconds left in the 1st half. 

 

As days pass. I'm convinced that great defenses like the 85 Bears, 00 Ravens, and 13 Seahawks are 1 off's. And when they blow their load. It's game over. 

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"Everyone just needs to do their job!"

 

It always cracks me up to hear BB yelling on the sideline.  It sounds like somebody dubbed another guy's voice over his lips.  Doesn't sound at all like he does when he's in an interview.

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