Please let me know when the Viking O-Line got "better" than ours? Or when their WR's got better than ours? or their DB's?
Ridiculous statements by people/teams with sincere Packer envy problems.
Plus they said it themselves, we have the ULTIMATE difference maker & oh BTW...he covers up a lot of flaws.
Well, most receivers would rather play with Pondwater. They don't have to run quite as far.
So how "good" are the Vikings? They lose to what has proven to be an atrocious SF team, then turn around and beat the winless Kittens and the Chargers, with a good pass rush to make Rivers' and Stafford's lives miserable. According to something in the Strib today, I think it was said by Tarkenton, the Vikes have a better roster than GB. The only difference is that GB has ARodgers. I find that hard to believe, but it's hard to get a good read on this Vikes team...
They do not have a better roster than GB. GB, even without Jordy, have more talent all-around on offense. QB, WR, OL all lean heavily in GB's favor. I will say that the Vikes have a better defense..at least in the front 7(probably best in the division) and the better RB.
I think the Vikes have a shot to battle for a wildcard berth but GB should be taking the division and battling for HFA
Cards are good IF Palmer doesn't get hurt. Secondary is strong. Fitzgerald is an animal who senses his Super Bowl window closing...
They own us in the kid beating contest.
The lunar eclipse is more interesting than the game.
Morning eclipses are better
That's what she said...
So how "good" are the Vikings? They lose to what has proven to be an atrocious SF team, then turn around and beat the winless Kittens and the Chargers, with a good pass rush to make Rivers' and Stafford's lives miserable. According to something in the Strib today, I think it was said by Tarkenton, the Vikes have a better roster than GB. The only difference is that GB has ARodgers. I find that hard to believe, but it's hard to get a good read on this Vikes team...
They do not have a better roster than GB. GB, even without Jordy, have more talent all-around on offense. QB, WR, OL all lean heavily in GB's favor. I will say that the Vikes have a better defense..at least in the front 7(probably best in the division) and the better RB.
I think the Vikes have a shot to battle for a wildcard berth but GB should be taking the division and battling for HFA
They've also gotten a lot of milage out of the Double-A-Gap blitz with Wide-9 End Splits against poor (interior, especially) O-lines and QBs who don't handle the blitz well. That will do them well in a number of games this year and should get them to 8 wins.
I'm always impressed with teams that could just beat the living stuffing out of the opponent like the Cards did yesterday. They destroyed the Bears and now the 49ers. They certainly are looking like they did last year before Palmer got hurt.
Carson Palmer has always been a minor disappointment to me, but maybe now he has the right combination of coaching and surrounding talent that he can take the Cards further than he's taken anyone else before. When I say Palmer's been a minor disappointment, it wasn't all his fault. That injury he suffered as a young guy did seem to rob him of some pretty good mobilty. Before that injury he looked like he had the potential to be an elite guy, but took some steps backwards after he got hurt.
If he's got things figured out under Arians, then I agree, they will be a force to be reckoned with.
I will disagree with this. How often is Peterson in the game on 3rd down? Not very often. He is not a good blocker or very good at catching passes out in the flat either. If you had your choice of Peterson or Lacy today, I think most GMs pick Eddie.
Didn't see this posted any where: Cam Newton needs to shut up. This served absolutely no purposes, as this was always going to be a he said/he said case.
Very curious to see what kind of repercussions this has on Cam. Personal fouls are judgement calls and issues with consistency already exist, so would be very easy for officials to favor the defense when it comes to Cam. You canât prove a conspiracy as long as itâs just a little head nod to every crew officiating a Panthers game. Just very stupid for Cam to publicly call out an official as a liar when you canât prove it. If he really had an issue, bring it up privately.
I'm always impressed with teams that could just beat the living stuffing out of the opponent like the Cards did yesterday. They destroyed the Bears and now the 49ers. They certainly are looking like they did last year before Palmer got hurt.
Carson Palmer has always been a minor disappointment to me, but maybe now he has the right combination of coaching and surrounding talent that he can take the Cards further than he's taken anyone else before. When I say Palmer's been a minor disappointment, it wasn't all his fault. That injury he suffered as a young guy did seem to rob him of some pretty good mobilty. Before that injury he looked like he had the potential to be an elite guy, but took some steps backwards after he got hurt.
If he's got things figured out under Arians, then I agree, they will be a force to be reckoned with.
It could've, and probably should've, been the Cards playing for the NFCC last year (vs the Pack, 'natch). If not for Palmer getting hurt...
It looks as if they picked right back up where they were last year before his injury, and are maybe even playing better so far. Their defense is still plenty stout, and they don't have a lot of holes, other than depth.
That, and the fact that explosive plays tend to come from explosive players.
Fewer explosive players correlates to ...
a racist coach??
Palmer can also be a really good QB. We've feasted on manager type throwers and I'll be interested in seeing how we fare vs better passers. That won't come till maybe SD or DEN.
SD? I don't put Rivers in any top QB category like most, but that's just me.
Rivers is pretty good but he has an O-line that is a turnstyle- different guys in different spots every week. The injury bug has killed them
No Antonio Gates either...but when the Chargers come to Lambeau in a few weeks they will be starting a kicker named Lambo. I don't think we've ever had a Lambo at Lambeau before
I'm with you, Tdog. Rivers can be an obnoxious leader who tries to make the rest of the team adjust to him; he's a guy who has had to have receivers/TEs who are big and can out-muscle DBs because Rivers is not quite accurate enough to throw to a precise spot; and he's never consistently carried his team. He's a guy who you love for his competitiveness but like Jim Harbaugh, a little goes a long way.
Rivers is pretty good but he has an O-line that is a turnstyle- different guys in different spots every week. The injury bug has killed them
No Antonio Gates either...but when the Chargers come to Lambeau in a few weeks they will be starting a kicker named Lambo. I don't think we've ever had a Lambo at Lambeau before
The Seahawks brought a part owner of the Packers to represent them. Didn't work out so well for them.
Agree on Rivers. I'd always thought he was overrated because media types always put him firmly at the top of the non-elite QBs*. For whatever reason, there's always an excuse for Rivers; injuries, coaching, lack of talent around him, etc. Just odd b/c no other QB gets the that kind of treatment.
*And to clarify my 'elite QB' definition......it's actually pretty simple: by starting 16 games, his team is almost guaranteed to make the playoffs. In the last 10 years, only Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers qualify. Those guys all consistently carried poor defenses, WRs, running games, and/or o-lines to make the playoffs just about every year. If you can't do that to make the playoffs year in/out, you're not elite. Notice it doesn't include playoff success; playoff success relies so much more on the team than regular season does.
Manning still has it mentally, but his arm fails him more often these days. Brees is probably heading in that same direction with this current injury being the beginning of the end. I watch Brady play and he looks elite, but then I wonder how much information has been given to him before the snap with regards to the defensive play call.
Oh, and Rivers... too erratic. Elite QBs have to have it mentally and physically, which is why a guy like Cutler fails. He has the physical tools but for whatever reason he loses focus during games. I see Rivers a bit like this, but not as consistently petulant like Jay.
Papa Rivers has been avoiding the conDom Capers prevent for years.
Agree Hungry5. Should have clarified that right now, only Rodgers and Brady are elite. Roethlisberger is close but he can't seem to play 16 games. Part of being elite is playing 16 games, year in/out. Freak injuries happen but Roethlisberger always seems hurt.
Wait....what about King Luck?
When you really pour over the numbers. There is one clear conclusion.
Brady is elite.
Rodgers is super duper elite.
The deeper you dig into AR's stats you start thinking he's more Marvel Superhero than QB.
Nope, Luck doesn't make my elite QB rankings. He's actually not as good right now as the media would leave you to believe. Now he has as much potential as anyone but he's not there yet.
Brady and pouring over the numbers, that makes sense.
Brady and the "gates", introduces doubt.
Oh, and Rivers... too erratic.
He's a strange cat. Super religious; but also quite volatile on the field
He just yells "gosh darn it" instead of "****ing mutha****ers"
Here's an excerpt from the local paper talking about his OL which offers insight on some of his erratic-ness.
"What is happening with the Chargers this year, them having already played a league-high eight offensive lineman for at least 35 snaps, is simply a continuation of an epidemic that dates back to the middle of the 2011 season.
No quarterback in the NFL has played behind more offensive linemen the past five years than the Rivers. This past Sunday, Kenny Wiggins became the 33rd man to play on the offensive line for the Chargers since the start of the 2011 season."
Every week a different line-up and one game he had (3) different centers over 4 quarters. He's not elite, but some of the issues are outside his control
Manning still has it mentally, but his arm fails him more often these days. Brees is probably heading in that same direction with this current injury being the beginning of the end. I watch Brady play and he looks elite, but then I wonder how much information has been given to him before the snap with regards to the defensive play call.
do you mean he has better coaching or are we still maintaining the debunked narrative that Patriots cheat somehow?
We are still maintaining the narrative that the Patriots cheat.
Debunked?
2007 -
During the first half of the New England Patriots' game against the New York Jets at Giants Stadium, a 26-year-old Patriots video assistant named Matt Estrella had been caught on the sideline, illegally videotaping Jets coaches' defensive signals, beginning the scandal known as Spygate.
April 1, 2008
NFL commissioner convened an emergency session of the league's spring meeting... Behind closed doors, Goodell addressed what he called "the elephant in the room" and, according to sources at the meeting, turned over the floor to Robert Kraft. Then 66, the billionaire Patriots owner stood and apologized for the damage his team had done to the league and the public's confidence in pro football. Kraft talked about the deep respect he had for his 31 fellow owners and their shared interest in protecting the NFL's shield. Witnesses would later say Kraft's remarks were heartfelt, his demeanor chastened. For a moment, he seemed to well up.
This next part cracks me up.
Then the Patriots' coach, Bill Belichick, the cheating program's mastermind, spoke. He said he had merely misinterpreted a league rule, explaining that he thought it was legal to videotape opposing teams' signals as long as the material wasn't used in real time. Few in the room bought it. Belichick said he had made a mistake -- "my mistake."
There's more, just read the ESPN OTL article here. The ESPN investigation goes back to Belichick's first year.
IN AUGUST 2000, before a Patriots preseason game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jimmy Dee, the head of New England's video department, approached one of his charges, Matt Walsh, with a strange assignment: He wanted Walsh to film the Bucs' offensive and defensive signals, the arm waving and hand folding that team coaches use to communicate plays and formations to the men on the field.
