Sherrod cut

I'm fine with that and I think they have done a great job.  I just don't think there is anything wrong with fans voicing an occasional disagreement and pointing out areas that need improvement. 

I didn't say it's wrong to criticize them, I criticize them all the time. I criticize Thompson for not bringing in quality defensive talent the last 3 years. I criticize McCarthy for some issues with play calling, being too predictable at times, and clock management issues. It's not wrong to criticize them, if I think you're wrong though I'm going to argue, probably longer and harder than you will...get over it. 

Nobody ever said the Packers "suck so bad," but 1 playoff win in the past 3 seasons isn't good enough when 12 is the QB. A team with a Hall of Fame QB should always get to the playoffs. Hell, the Packers went 8-8 in 1999 with a coach who couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time.

Birth-right.

If Sherrod was a mistake which no one knows due to his injury and cutting him IS Uncle Ted's way of admitting a mistake I am excited for TT.  I remember only a few nuggets from my time in Colledge but my favorite was a business prof teaching me this,  Poor managers are reluctant to admit a mistake and work hard to hide it or overcome it.  Good managers admit when they've made a mistake and correct it

This was also a numbers game complicated by Tretter's return and the Lang/Sitton injuries, forcing them to keep Lane Taylor and Garth Gerhart for interior OL depth as well.  If not for all this Sherrod might still be on the roster.

I think Thompson admits mistakes. He's cut draft picks pretty quickly in the past (Jerron McMillan comes to mind). I think he's more patient with some guys than many fans would like, but sometimes that patience pays off. TJ Lang had a very iffy career early on, he got thrown to the fire early with very mixed results as did Greg Jennings, Aaron Rodgers, Nick Collins, etc. There have been guys he's been overly patient with that have been failures, like AJ Hawk. That's just part of being an NFL GM though.

Who was that turd kick returner he drafted in the 4th round that they cut before he even got out of training camp?  Corey Rodgers or something like that from TCU?  

He hangs onto guys too long sometimes IMHO, like with Hawk and Jones right now, but he's cut bait quickly more than once in the past.

That stool was Ted's Joey Jameson.  He was gone within a couple of weeks.

" I'm going to argue, probably longer and harder than you will...get over it. "

Fair enough. Cheers!

Cory Rodgers was drafted int 2006 and did not make it out of TC.  The Packers were patient with him right up until the final cuts to get to the 53 man roster.  So yes TT & MM were not overly patient with him.  Cutting and OL guy name Will Whitticker (a 2005 pick) encouraged me.  MS would have kept him just because he did not want to admit he was wrong. 

He had moves inside his moves.  He could get open all day - catching the ball?  That was another story.  In one preseason game I remember, He faked his guy out so bad he had at least a 10 yard separation.  The ball was right in his bread basket and he could not hold on.  He could not catch punts in practice either.  Everyday it was reported that he at least dropped one and usually more.  After GB cut him SF picked him up but he didn't last more than a few weeks with them before being cut.  As far as I know he never played in an NFL regular season game.  He was the right guy for the Packers IF he could catch the ball. 

If I'm not mistaken, Rodgers also had some sort of legal incident involving a gun that probably ensured his departure even more so.

Yup, no difference between a 0-16 team and (say) a 14-2 team that narrowly lost in the SB.

No difference at all.

Wow that's a good one. Straw man central! Phaedrus Strawman!

I'm sure Bill Belichick proudly displays his multiple AFC Championship rings and people come from all around to see the Lamar Hunt AFC Championship Trophy. Or when they re-cap the season in the offseason do they say "we feel pretty good about the fact that we won a divisional round playoff game, the season was a success!"? Maybe Peyton Mannings feels like last season was a success simply because they made it to the SB, that's the goal isn't it? Ask any coach in the league and any season where you don't win a SB is deemed unsuccessful. Doesn't matter if you lost in round 2 or in the SB, the goal was not reached. There are no moral victories, close only counts in horseshoes. 

Brevity is the soul of wit.

GD,

You are conflating two entirely separate ideas.  One, a measure of satisfaction of a team's performance.  Two, the idea that in a sense, all that matters is winning it all.

When it comes to assessing Belicheck and any other NFL employee, one matters even if two has not taken place for awhile.

Belicheck still has his job.  I dare say Patriot ownership badly wants to retain him.  Had he coached putrid performances, he'd have been axed.

Sherrod....bust?

I blame Satanori for hijacking this thread, daring to criticize The Persian God Buckcherry.

The original question was:

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop

That was the original question? I always thought it was, Does this fig-leaf make my butt look fat?

Has AJ Hawk been given enough time to develop?

Hawk has the Joe Madden clause in his contract. He cannot be released as long as Ted Thompson is GM of the Packers. Expect to Hawk to play to at least 2018 and go out with Ted.

Couldn't overcome his coaching.  Fail.

Atta girl!

I saw Marshall Newhouse was a starting NFL RT last night.

Breno Barbre syndrome.

Send him a case of this stuff, it covers the trifecta of message board butthurt

immediate relief

speeds healing

less scarring

Brenobarbrehouse syndrome - a common illness a team suffers when the GM drafts an NFL quality OLine player that only flourishes after he moves on to another team and coaching staff

Not to ignite a debate about Campen or coaching quality, but Breno and Barbre both moved on to pure Zone Blocking teams (Seattle and Philly). Both of them are classic ZBS OLinemen...undersized, good athleticism, etc. It's a lot easier for OL to flourish in those systems so I would point to that as more of a reason for their "success" after leaving GB. Notice Seattle didn't put up much of a fight to keep Breno, they have a system where they can plug in new OL without skipping a beat (hence their starting a rookie RT). I realize McCarthy tried and failed to implement the ZBS (thanks Jeff Jagoffzinski) and now, like most teams in the league, we do a combination of zone and man blocking principles which are harder for players like Breno and Barbre to succeed in. 

Breno couldn't pass protect to save his life in Green Bay. He moved his feet like Herman Munster. It was more than just a change in schemes that allowed him to succeed in Seattle.

If folks are going to try to initiate some sort of 'Newhouse has flourished' bullcrap meme, they need to stop watching football and certainly stop talking about it.  He was his same old horrible, turnstile self last night and IIRC the Bungles have been hit hard at tackle with injuries or he wouldn't even be out there.

Linky

Marshall Newhouse, RT: -4.6

Breakdown: No real surprise here as Newhouse had his typical game, struggling pass protection and forcing the team to adjust by giving him extra help. That left center Russell Bodine in some unfavorable matchups, but such was the mismatch of Newhouse versus any Browns pass rusher, it had to be done.

Signature Play: He may have expected help from his right guard, but there’s no excuse for getting beat as quickly off the snap as Newhouse did with 11.36 to go in Q3. Bryant went past him as if he wasn’t there on his way to the first of back to back sacks.

Paul Kruger, OLB: +4.9

Breakdown: He may have been relatively tame while mic’d up, but he was anything but from the moment the ball was snapped. He started early with some opening drive work on Gresham in the run game and never let up, ending the day with four hurries, a hit and a batted pass.

Signature Play: With 1.03 left in the first half Kruger sails past Marshall Newhouse to record a hit on the quarterback.

Many OL take time to get it all together, especially these late round /UDFA guys who all have some significant weakness. But even the top guys need some krausening at the NFL level

Former Packer- reject Nick McDonald played for New England, got cut... and was the starting Center in Cleveland on Thursday. ( Alex Mack on IR)

Tony Moll played for GB, Ravens and Chargers.

EDS is on his 4th stop

Lots of these middling dudes manage to get good enough to play depending on the depth charts around the league.

But few of them were picked at #32 (which is in Tier 2 or 3 of player draft grades) so people want to know why that happened. Some say the GM sucks, or the coaches suck, or the player sucks, or the organization sucks. Some say nobody sucks. But nobody says X4 sucks

Lather, rinse, repeat and X4 takes another lap around the Festivus Pole 

OK, Marshall Newhouse sucks

Marshall Newhouse sucks.  Anyone who disagrees with that obvious point... sucks.  

Hard to believe Rodgers survived as long as he did with that unbelievable stiff playing left tackle in front of him.

so we all agree, Marshall Newhouse is the Dom Capers of offensive linemen.

Does AJ Hawk still suck?

Breno, Barbre, Colledge and Newhouse are exhibit A in how shallow the overall OL talent level is in the NFL because they somehow find a landing spot. Repeatedly. They all suck. 

The NFL needs 160 offensive lineman. There might be 15 elite linemen. 30 really good ones. 60 good ones. There's a lot of filler happening here. 

Pretty much every team has 2-3 pass rushing specialists. Especially on the edges. 

My point is Bak, Sitton, Linsley, Lang, Bulaga is pretty strong against the curve. 

Indeed.

Marshall Newhouse won a Super Bowl ring in 2010.