A deeper run should be expected if they stay healthy on the offensive side. I don't agree though that McCarthy is feeling any added pressure this season. Dom, on the other hand...

Super Bowl should be expected and I don't think MM is immune.  If The Wizard reverts (because the defense was playing well enough to win a championship) it's time to send that badger toupee down the road.

Not to endorse the other article claiming Capers will be scapegoated, but I'd have to agree if this is another season where MM's team fails to reach the SB and is yet another early exit out, I'd expect Capers/Clements would go before MM would.

The exception to that would be if the wheels come off in the locker room and he completely loses Rodgers and the locker room. Some say that's already somewhat happened with Rodgers but winning has a habit of curing a lot. So barring a completely unexpected implosion of chemistry, I don't think MM would be going anywhere.

If this team keeps Rodgers upright and stays mostly healthy, there is no reason they shouldn't make a very deep playoff run.

a "deeper run" isnt really the expectation, with so many divisional playoff defeats and the Sleepless in Seattle debacle in the NFCC still looming over his head.

Its really Superbowl or bust now. Theyve got all the pieces. a few question marks on defense and running game, but theres no team in the NFC thats arguably better positioned.

This is a big year for MM. Im pretty pumped for this season because I think there will be intense focus by all.

It's hard to win a Super Bowl. 

Unless you cheat.

Sometimes have a status quo is a good thing but I prefer to use the word stability.

To me MM is a prime example of how truly hard it is to just get to a Super Bowl much less win one.  MM has his team in position every single year to contend and sure I would like to see them win the Super Bowl but that is so hard to do every year.

I hardly think if the defense comes up short, once again, that Capers is being "scapegoated".  It would be well deserved and long overdue.  

Firing him after the disaster against the Giants in 2011 would have been scapegoating.

Firing him after the absolute embarrassment to the Niners would have been the proper and correct decision.  As it would have after the historic choke job to Seattle. 

If Dom Capers is ever fired by MM, it most certainly will not be scapegoating.  

Billicheat went 10 years between his yes? IIRC it was 2004 and then a 10 year drought until 2014. And a whole lotta cheatin' in between.

It is very difficult.  So is maintaining a playoff team for nearly a decade.  The only real chance they truly squandered was in the NFCCG in SEA.  Every year top teams experience some obstacle or obstacles that prevent them from the big game and we've seen that illustrated every year since 2010.  Does anyone believe any other coach would have taken the last 5 (4 if you already count 2014) teams to the SB? 

MM is a great coach.  Those losses, particularly Seattle, are like a big neon fail sign over his head even though other coaches have had similar records and results.  

That is legacy staining stuff unfortunately.

DH13 posted:

It is very difficult.  So is maintaining a playoff team for nearly a decade. 

Which is pretty remarkable that the Packers have done it when you consider how much this league is built to be a parity filled league and with it nearly impossible to have dynasties anymore. That's the last thing the NFL wants to see. They love the idea of a new team winning it all each year and almost none making it back to the SB the following year.

It's why today's FA is set up so the moment you build a great team, ala the 2015 Broncos defense, the very next year it gets dismantled through Free Agency. And a guy like Josh Norman from the Panthers breaks the bank and gives them little chance of retaining him. The league does not want dominating teams to last more than a season or 2. It's no accident.

WolfPack posted:

a "deeper run" isnt really the expectation, with so many divisional playoff defeats and the Sleepless in Seattle debacle in the NFCC still looming over his head.

Its really Superbowl or bust now. Theyve got all the pieces. a few question marks on defense and running game, but theres no team in the NFC thats arguably better positioned.

 

Couldn't this just as easily be a quote about this guy (Minus an actual Lombardi)

Like I said. It's hard to win a Super Bowl

packerboi posted:

DH13 posted:

It is very difficult.  So is maintaining a playoff team for nearly a decade. 

Which is pretty remarkable that the Packers have done it when you consider how much this league is built to be a parody filled league and with it nearly impossible to have dynasties anymore.

 

Not sure if that was just a mistake, but it works, man, it works!

Henry posted:

MM is a great coach.  Those losses, particularly Seattle, are like a big neon fail sign over his head even though other coaches have had similar records and results.  

That is legacy staining stuff unfortunately.

Nobody knows stains like Henry.

Did you ever figure out how to get them out of your tube socks?

ChilliJon posted:

Like I said. It's hard to win a Super Bowl

It's also hard to blow a 12 point lead with 3 minutes to go.

It's also hard to give up 147 points and 1,120 rushing yards to Colin Kaepernick, and follow it up with "well, we didn't plan for the pistol, because reasons"

Henry posted:

MM is a great coach.  Those losses, particularly Seattle, are like a big neon fail sign over his head even though other coaches have had similar records and results.  

That is legacy staining stuff unfortunately.

A Superb Owl win or 3 would do a lot to cleanse the palate for the team and the fans.

Won't do anything about oldschools propensity for spinning yarn though.

oldschool posted:

Henry posted:

MM is a great coach.  Those losses, particularly Seattle, are like a big neon fail sign over his head even though other coaches have had similar records and results.  

That is legacy staining stuff unfortunately.

 

Not sure what you were implying with your comment oldschool.  ?

Henry is right though, those types of losses will stick with a person regardless of what they say publicly.

CAPackFan95 posted:

ChilliJon posted:

Like I said. It's hard to win a Super Bowl

It's also hard to blow a 12 point lead with 3 minutes to go.

It's also hard to give up 147 points and 1,120 rushing yards to Colin Kaepernick, and follow it up with "well, we didn't plan for the pistol, because reasons"

It's hard to win one with 16 guys on the IR. It's hard to go 18-1. It's hard to play in 4 Super Bowls and never hold a lead for 1 second. 

Super Bowl wins and close losses come in all manner of roses and groin kicks. 

oldschool posted:

Henry posted:

MM is a great coach.  Those losses, particularly Seattle, are like a big neon fail sign over his head even though other coaches have had similar records and results.  

That is legacy staining stuff unfortunately.

Nobody knows stains like Henry.

Did you ever figure out how to get them out of your tube socks?

You teach your son's friendcousin how to properly start a washer?

Sports Illustrated....low-life rag if there ever was one.  

The same could be said for many coaches; some have even worse results but are not considered to be on "the hot seat"?
Pittsburgh and Tomlin, since their 2010 SB appearance (a loss, of course), lost in the wildcard round in 2011. After 3 years of not making the playoffs, they again lost in the WC round in 2014, then lost in the Divisional round in 2015.
Baltimore and Hairball, since 2010, have slightly better results, but not necessarily better than the Packers. They lost in the Divisional round in 2010, lost the Conference Championship in 2011, won the whole enchilada in 2012, and lost the Divisional game again in 2014. No playoffs in 2013 and 2015.

Maybe Banks need to stick to writing about swimsuit models and "It" Jennings...

FDB

packers fan click bait = $$$

I find the entire MM on the hotseat commentary mildly comical. This is all about what Ted wants. Almost every other opinion means nothing. I believe for Ted it comes down to one or two things, continuity and being in the conversation. The next couple seasons will be interesting. Ascending defense and hopefully healthier offense will allow the team to get better results. I think that Ted believes he is in the cat birds seat and the MM is the coach he wants otherwise he would already be gone.

No, McCarthy isn’t on the hot seat in the traditional sense as the new season looms. The guy might one day be linked in the Packers’ coaching pantheon with Lambeau, Lombardi and Holmgren, and deservedly so. His record is that good. But this is still a very pivotal year for Green Bay’s creative head coach, and if there’s any sign of continued malaise on offense, or if the Packers lose any more ground to the resurgent Vikings in the division, some serious heat will undoubtedly descend on McCarthy.

Not sure how serious the heat would be, but assuming AR remains healthy that's probably accurate. After the Seattle choke and last year's poor job it hasn't been a particularly good stretch for MM. Time for him to emerge from the slump and pick it up a few notches.

One legit criticism from Banks (and actually others): Losing Jordy should not and cannot be the excuse why the offense fell flat on it's ass. Clements was a disaster. Trotting out that tired ole "11 personnel" group again and again was ridiculous and scared no one. Under utilizing Janis! or at least using his speed as a decoy was dumbfounding. Stale and boring was that offense in 2015. And much of that is at the feet of ..

The stakes are definitely going to be higher than usual this year.  The issues from last year and the big offensive loss with Nelson really dampened a 10-win season.

As it stands, statistically speaking the Packers have the easiest schedule this season, they are pre-season underdogs in zero games, favored in 15 games, and are a PK only @Minnesota.

Week 1 - Green Bay (-3.5, 47) at Jacksonville Jaguars

Week 2 - Green Bay at Minnesota Vikings (PK)

Week 3 - Detroit Lions at Green Bay (-8.5)

Week 4 - BYE

Week 5 - New York Giants at Green Bay (-8)

Week 6 - Dallas Cowboys at Green Bay (-6)

Week 7 - Chicago Bears at Green Bay (-9)

Week 8 - Green Bay (-4) at Atlanta Falcons

Week 9 - Indianapolis Colts at Green Bay (-6)

Week 10 - Green Bay (-7.5) at Tennessee Titans

Week 11 - Green Bay (-2.5) at Washington Redskins

Week 12 - Green Bay (-3.5) at Philadelphia Eagles

Week 13 - Houston Texans at Green Bay (-7)

Week 14 - Seattle Seahawks at Green Bay (-2)

Week 15 - Green Bay (-5) at Chicago Bears

Week 16 - Minnesota Vikings at Green Bay (-4.5)

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks posted their top 5 rosters for 2016. Seattle, Pitt, Carolina, Denver and Minny. In that order. Bucky did make a strong argument that Oakland might be better than Minny.

What I'm trying to say is the season is pretty much over. 

Can't even crack the top 6.  We're doomed.

At least we can crack a 6 pack!

Even if this team goes 19-0 and wins the Super Bowl,  I think McCarthy should still be fired. I just don't want to risk another post season disappointment ever again as long as I live.

I don't think 19-0 is going to be good enough in 2016. I mean, Minny sounds really good. I could see them going 21-0 based on what I'm reading. 

ChilliJon posted:

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks posted their top 5 rosters for 2016. Seattle, Pitt, Carolina, Denver and Minny. In that order. Bucky did make a strong argument that Oakland might be better than Minny.

What I'm trying to say is the season is pretty much over. 

Seattle, Pitt, and Carolina are not bad choices. However, did they weight the QB position more heavily given it's importance? They did remember that Denver and Minny are QB'd by Mark Sanchez and Teddy Bridgewater right?

Rusty posted:

Even if this team goes 19-0 and wins the Super Bowl,  I think McCarthy should still be fired. I just don't want to risk another post season disappointment ever again as long as I live.

Yes. We should have hired a coach like Brad Childress, Jim Schwartz, Marc Trestman, Jim Caldwell, Leslie Frazier, or Rod Marinelli so we didn't have to worry about making the playoffs so consistently. You don't risk disappointment if you don't make the playoffs. I purposely didn't list Lovie Smith, John Fox, or Mike Zimmer as they also appear to be coaches that seem to know what they are doing.

My inside sources say that TT has been trying to lose for a few seasons now so he can draft higher, but MM keeps getting them to the postseason anyway. 

ChilliJon posted:

Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks posted their top 5 rosters for 2016. Seattle, Pitt, Carolina, Denver and Minny. In that order. Bucky did make a strong argument that Oakland might be better than Minny.

What I'm trying to say is the season is pretty much over. 

Denver??? DENVER?!?!?!

Wait until you see how bad these guys play this year

Word. Denver's D got dismantled and they have no QB. Horse face rolled the dice and got his SB. Good for him. Now they are in cap hell and their future is mortgaged.

GBP not in the top 5?  Just another chip...  ARs shoulder is getting as  big as Thompson's lap which is already in Bill Brasky territory as far as loar goes.