Archie Manning / Aaron Brooks / Bobby Hebert / Drew Brees
Since 1960, nothing beats this:
Year Quarterback (Games) 2011 Jay Cutler (10) / Caleb Hanie (4) / Josh McCown (2) 2010 Jay Cutler (15) / Todd Collins (1) 2009 Jay Cutler (16) 2008 Kyle Orton (15) / Rex Grossman (1) 2007 Rex Grossman (7) / Brian Griese (6) / Kyle Orton (3) 2006 Rex Grossman (16) 2005 Kyle Orton (15) / Rex Grossman (1) 2004 Craig Krenzel (5) / Chad Hutchinson (5)/ Jonathan Quinn (3) / Rex Grossman (3) 2003 Kordell Stewart (7) / Chris Chandler (6)/ Rex Grossman (3) 2002 Jim Miller (8) / Chris Chandler (7) / Henry Burris (1) 2001 Jim Miller (13) / Shane Matthews (3) 2000 Cade McNown (9) / Shane Matthews (5) / Jim Miller (2) 1999 Shane Matthews (7) / Cade McNown (6) / Jim Miller (3) 1998 Erik Kramer (8) / Steve Stenstrom (7) / Moses Moreno (1) 1997 Erik Kramer (13) / Rick Mirer (3) 1996 Dave Krieg (12) / Erik Kramer (4) 1995 Erik Kramer (16) 1994 Steve Walsh (11) / Erik Kramer (5) 1993 Jim Harbaugh (15) / Peter Tom Willis (1) 1992 Jim Harbaugh (13) / Peter Tom Willis (2) / Will Furrer (1) 1991 Jim Harbaugh (16) 1990 Jim Harbaugh (14) / Mike Tomczak (2) 1989 Mike Tomczak (11) / Jim Harbaugh (5) 1988 Jim McMahon (9) / Mike Tomczak (5) / Jim Harbaugh (2) 1987 Jim McMahon (6) / Mike Tomczak (6) / Mike Hohensee (2) / Steve Bradley (1) 1986 Mike Tomczak (7) / Jim McMahon (6) / Steve Fuller (2) / Doug Flutie (1) 1985 Jim McMahon (11) / Steve Fuller (5) 1984 Jim McMahon (9) / Steve Fuller (4) / Rusty Lisch (1) / Bob Avellini (1) / Greg Landry (1) 1983 Jim McMahon (13) / Vince Evans (3) 1982 Jim McMahon (7) / Bob Avellini (2) 1981 Vince Evans (16) 1980 Vince Evans (10) / Mike Phipps (6) 1979 Mike Phipps (10) / Vince Evans (3) / Bob Avellini (3) 1978 Bob Avellini (12) / Mike Phipps (4) 1977 Bob Avellini (14) 1976 Bob Avellini (14) 1975 Gary Huff (9) / Bob Avellini (4) / Bobby Douglass (1) 1974 Gary Huff (11) / Bobby Douglass (3) 1973 Bobby Douglass (12) / Gary Huff (2) 1972 Bobby Douglass (14) 1971 Bobby Douglass (7) / Kent Nix (4) / Jack Concannon (3) 1970 Jack Concannon (13) / Bobby Douglass (1) 1969 Jack Concannon (5) / Bobby Douglass (7) / Virgil Carter (2) 1968 Bobby Douglass (7) / Virgil Carter (5) / Larry Rakestraw (2) 1967 Jack Concannon (12) / Larry Rakestraw (2) 1966 Rudy Bukich (14) 1965 Rudy Bukich (12) / Billy Wade (2) 1964 Billy Wade (10) / Rudy Bukich (4) 1963 Billy Wade (14) 1962 Billy Wade (14) 1961 Billy Wade (9) / Ed Brown (5) 1960 Ed Brown (11) / Zeke Bratkowski (1)
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
Fran Tarkenton/Joe Kapp/Brent Favor
What about---
Ken Anderson, Boomer Easion, and Dalton (looks promising)
Right now the 49er's are the only team that can trot out 3 HOF'ers.
Some may say Brodie doesen't deserve to be in, but I would say he certainly deserves it as much or more than Namath.
Right now I think the only teams that can be in the discussion as orignially started by BK are
The Packers, the 49'ers, the Raiders, the Giants and the cowboys.
I doubt any team can match the Packers in going from Bert to AR12 or the 49er's with Montanna to Young. The Dolphins come close with Griese to Marinio
Ken Anderson, Boomer Easion, and Dalton (looks promising)
Right now the 49er's are the only team that can trot out 3 HOF'ers.
Some may say Brodie doesen't deserve to be in, but I would say he certainly deserves it as much or more than Namath.
Right now I think the only teams that can be in the discussion as orignially started by BK are
The Packers, the 49'ers, the Raiders, the Giants and the cowboys.
I doubt any team can match the Packers in going from Bert to AR12 or the 49er's with Montanna to Young. The Dolphins come close with Griese to Marinio
quote:Originally posted by oldnavy:
What about---
Ken Anderson, Boomer Easion, and Dalton (looks promising)
I think Palmer could be added as well.
When it's all said and done, only the Green Bay Packers will have 4 Quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame:
Arnie Hebner
Bart Starr
Brett Favre (everybodys whopping boy)
Aaron Rodgers
Case closed GBP has the best of all time.
Arnie Hebner
Bart Starr
Brett Favre (everybodys whopping boy)
Aaron Rodgers
Case closed GBP has the best of all time.
Giants: Tittle, Tarkington, and since he is a shoo in Elite Manning.
Cowboys: Staubach, Aikman, Meredith
Redskins: Baugh, Jurgensen, Theismann
Eagles: McNabb, Jaworski, Cunningham
Giants: Manning, Simms, Conerly
Vikings: Tarkenton, Culpepper, Kramer
Lions: Layne, Landry....uh, Layne again?
Etc., etc.
Lots of teams have had three very good QBs in their history, but some haven't even had that much. None have had three that each won a championship and were MVP.
Not much question that GB has the best top three, and Herber, Rote, Dickey and Isbell don't make a bad 4-5-6-7.
Redskins: Baugh, Jurgensen, Theismann
Eagles: McNabb, Jaworski, Cunningham
Giants: Manning, Simms, Conerly
Vikings: Tarkenton, Culpepper, Kramer
Lions: Layne, Landry....uh, Layne again?
Etc., etc.
Lots of teams have had three very good QBs in their history, but some haven't even had that much. None have had three that each won a championship and were MVP.
Not much question that GB has the best top three, and Herber, Rote, Dickey and Isbell don't make a bad 4-5-6-7.
Cleveland/LA/St Louis Rams:
Bob Waterfield (HOF)
Norm Van Brocklin (HOF)
Roman Gabriel
Bob Waterfield (HOF)
Norm Van Brocklin (HOF)
Roman Gabriel
Cleveland/LA/St Louis Rams:
Bob Waterfield (HOF)
Norm Van Brocklin (HOF)
Roman Gabriel
Addition Kurt Warner
Bob Waterfield (HOF)
Norm Van Brocklin (HOF)
Roman Gabriel
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Jack Kemp? You'll have to ask ammo. I think he was a chaperon at Jack Kemp's prom.
He stepped in when Kemp was trying to make it with Greta Garbo.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Was Joey Theeesman really any better than say, Lynn Dickey? He obviously had a helluva team around him, but to me Theeesman isn't a great QB, just a pretty good one. I guess he's a pretty decent third out of those three.
Your asking the wrong guy, I'm a big Lynn Dickey fan. The guy was extremely talented and would have been great had he been on a team with talent and stayed healthy.
That said, Theismann was pretty darn good. (better than ammo's Billy Kilmer).
Pretty good third guy on the Skins QB list as he won a league MVP and has a couple super bowl rings. Let's not forget his work in the CFL either
The Steelers have a least gotten very good SB mileage from their duo -- Bradshaw and Roethlisberger. Aside from them it's all mediocrities unless you think Bubby Brister was something special.
quote:Originally posted by danhandy:
When it's all said and done, only the Green Bay Packers will have 4 Quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame:
Arnie Hebner
Bart Starr
Brett Favre (everybodys whopping boy)
Aaron Rodgers
Case closed GBP has the best of all time.
I thought a player had to be out for 5 yrs before enshirnment......
quote:Originally posted by Pikes Peak:
I thought a player had to be out for 5 yrs before enshirnment......
Right, and let's not just presume Rodgers is automatically a lock for the HOF. He's well on his way, but a LOT can happen between now and when his career ends. Ken Stabler did everything Rodgers had done to the same point in his career (more, actually), and he's not in.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Stabler's not even close to Rodgers
http://www.pro-football-refere...ayers/S/StabKe00.htm
He's not, huh? Individual stats are nice and all, but let's not fetishize them too much, especially considering the passing game in Stabler's day was nothing like it is now.
Let's look beyond those at each player's first seven seasons, keeping in mind that Stabler, like Rodgers, barely played in his first three (and that under the playoff system of 1976, the Packers wouldn't have even made the post-season in 2009 or 2010):
Winning percentage: Stabler .798, Rodgers .662
Playoff appearances: Stabler 5, Rodgers 3
Playoff wins: Stabler 6, Rodgers 4
Pro Bowl appearances: Stabler 4, Rodgers 2
Super Bowl wins: 1 each
MVPs: 1 each
If anyone ever appeared to be in the fast lane to the Hall of Fame, it was The Snake. Point is, it doesn't always turn out that way.
The Snake also played in a different era where the WRs could be mugged, the OL could be head-slapped and the QBs got their asses kicked regularly
Can't really use stats across eras IMO
Can't really use stats across eras IMO
Rodgers is better than Eli Manning, and if Eli is a lock for the HOF....
Stabler put up some really good numbers at a time when mauling recievers was encouraged. If not for one of the the worst non fumble calls in playoff history (skip to the 8:22 mark):
Stabler would have played in another SB. The Steelers kept the Raiders out of the SB (like a lot of other good AFC teams) as well. That loss to the Broncos essentially ended Madden's career. After Madden retired the Raiders handed the job to Tom Flores. A great coach but he wanted no part of Stablers reckless ways. So Stabler was traded for Dan Pastorini. That trade basically ended the careers of both guys.
Point is Stabler was a lot better than he's given credit for.
Stabler would have played in another SB. The Steelers kept the Raiders out of the SB (like a lot of other good AFC teams) as well. That loss to the Broncos essentially ended Madden's career. After Madden retired the Raiders handed the job to Tom Flores. A great coach but he wanted no part of Stablers reckless ways. So Stabler was traded for Dan Pastorini. That trade basically ended the careers of both guys.
Point is Stabler was a lot better than he's given credit for.
ARZ - Warner/Hart/Lomax
ATL - Bartkowski/Ryan/Vick
BLT - Flacco/Boller/Dilfer (not inc Clev)
BUF - Kelly/Ferguson/Kemp
CAR - Delhomme/Beuerlein/Newton
CHI - Luckman/McMahon/Cutler
CIN - Anderson/Esiason/Palmer
CLV - Graham/Sipe/Kosar
DAL - Aikman/White/Romo (honestly, Staubach won more but numbers...)
DEN - Elway/Morton/Plummer
DET - Layne/Stafford/Danielson
GNB - Starr/Favre/Rodgers
HOU - Schaub/Carr/Rosenfels
IND - Manning/Unitas/Jones
JAX - Brunell/Garrard/Leftwich
KAN - Dawson/Green/Kenney
MIA - Marino/Griese/Fiedler
MIN - Tarkenton/Kramer/Culpepper
NWE - Brady/Bledsoe/Grogan
NWO - Brees/A. Manning/Hebert
NYG - Simms/E. Manning/Conerly
NYJ - Namath/O'Brien/Todd
OAK - Stabler/Lamonica/Plunkett
PHI - McNabb/Jaworski/Cunningham
PIT - Bradshaw/Roethlisberger/Stewart
SDG - Fouts/Hadl/Rivers
SFO - Montana/Young/Brodie
SEA - Hasselbeck/Krieg/Zorn
STL - Everett/Warner/Gabriel
TAM - Testaverde/Dilfer/Williams
TEN - Moon/McNair/Blanda (inc Houston Oilers)
WAS - Theismann/Jurgensen/Baugh
Not intended to be in ranking order, just top 3. Interesting stuff from my list...
Warner and Dilfer on the list for 2 teams. Could easily make the case to put Cutler on Denver's list as well.
All 3 Seattle QBs have GB/Wisconsin ties
Indy's stacks up about the best to GNB I'd say. SF pretty solid.
Washington, Cleveland, Buffalo, NYJ, and Oakland without a QB that has played in many years.
ATL - Bartkowski/Ryan/Vick
BLT - Flacco/Boller/Dilfer (not inc Clev)
BUF - Kelly/Ferguson/Kemp
CAR - Delhomme/Beuerlein/Newton
CHI - Luckman/McMahon/Cutler
CIN - Anderson/Esiason/Palmer
CLV - Graham/Sipe/Kosar
DAL - Aikman/White/Romo (honestly, Staubach won more but numbers...)
DEN - Elway/Morton/Plummer
DET - Layne/Stafford/Danielson
GNB - Starr/Favre/Rodgers
HOU - Schaub/Carr/Rosenfels
IND - Manning/Unitas/Jones
JAX - Brunell/Garrard/Leftwich
KAN - Dawson/Green/Kenney
MIA - Marino/Griese/Fiedler
MIN - Tarkenton/Kramer/Culpepper
NWE - Brady/Bledsoe/Grogan
NWO - Brees/A. Manning/Hebert
NYG - Simms/E. Manning/Conerly
NYJ - Namath/O'Brien/Todd
OAK - Stabler/Lamonica/Plunkett
PHI - McNabb/Jaworski/Cunningham
PIT - Bradshaw/Roethlisberger/Stewart
SDG - Fouts/Hadl/Rivers
SFO - Montana/Young/Brodie
SEA - Hasselbeck/Krieg/Zorn
STL - Everett/Warner/Gabriel
TAM - Testaverde/Dilfer/Williams
TEN - Moon/McNair/Blanda (inc Houston Oilers)
WAS - Theismann/Jurgensen/Baugh
Not intended to be in ranking order, just top 3. Interesting stuff from my list...
Warner and Dilfer on the list for 2 teams. Could easily make the case to put Cutler on Denver's list as well.
All 3 Seattle QBs have GB/Wisconsin ties
Indy's stacks up about the best to GNB I'd say. SF pretty solid.
Washington, Cleveland, Buffalo, NYJ, and Oakland without a QB that has played in many years.
My bad...I guess I did not get the memo on what stats we were cherry picking.quote:Originally posted by CitizenDan:quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Stabler's not even close to Rodgers
http://www.pro-football-refere...ayers/S/StabKe00.htm
He's not, huh? Individual stats are nice and all, but let's not fetishize them too much, especially considering the passing game in Stabler's day was nothing like it is now.
Let's look beyond those at each player's first seven seasons, keeping in mind that Stabler, like Rodgers, barely played in his first three (and that under the playoff system of 1976, the Packers wouldn't have even made the post-season in 2009 or 2010):
Winning percentage: Stabler .798, Rodgers .662
Playoff appearances: Stabler 5, Rodgers 3
Playoff wins: Stabler 6, Rodgers 4
Pro Bowl appearances: Stabler 4, Rodgers 2
Super Bowl wins: 1 each
MVPs: 1 each
If anyone ever appeared to be in the fast lane to the Hall of Fame, it was The Snake. Point is, it doesn't always turn out that way.
Silly me I thought you were comparing quarterbacks...
Can't use stats - can't use records - can't use much. The older I get....the better I was.quote:Originally posted by Satori:
The Snake also played in a different era where the WRs could be mugged, the OL could be head-slapped and the QBs got their asses kicked regularly
Can't really use stats across eras IMO
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
My bad...I guess I did not get the memo on what stats we were cherry picking.
Bummer. All the cool kids got the memo. Better luck on your next message board
No salary cap and no imposed parity....or can I talk about that?? sheesh
I think YA Tittle belongs. Three straight NFL championship games before the Super Bowl era, league MVP once and HOF member. Didn't do a whole lot before coming to NYG from San Fran, so I'd bump Conerly with YA.
quote:Originally posted by Satori:
The Snake also played in a different era where the WRs could be mugged, the OL could be head-slapped and the QBs got their asses kicked regularly
Can't really use stats across eras IMO
Agreed. It's not even close to the same game.
CAPACK
Pretty decent list, but I got to disagree with it being all about the numbers, one does need to consider the most important numbers--wins and playoffs.
I would leave Romo and White off the cowboys lits and put Staubach and Mereith on it. IMO Romo is the most over-hyped player in the NFL for the last 4-5 years.
IMO Norm Snead should replace Cunningham, Dan Pastroni would replace Blanda, and Frank Ryan would replace Sipe.
On a sidenote the greatest backup QB ever has to be Earl Morral.
Starter for the full season (replacing Unitas) in 68 for the Colts leading them to the SB and winning the NFL MVP. In 72 he started 11 games for the Dolphins (Griese injured)in their undefeated season, winning AFC player of the year and NFL Comeback player of the year in his 15th season.
Pretty decent list, but I got to disagree with it being all about the numbers, one does need to consider the most important numbers--wins and playoffs.
I would leave Romo and White off the cowboys lits and put Staubach and Mereith on it. IMO Romo is the most over-hyped player in the NFL for the last 4-5 years.
IMO Norm Snead should replace Cunningham, Dan Pastroni would replace Blanda, and Frank Ryan would replace Sipe.
On a sidenote the greatest backup QB ever has to be Earl Morral.
Starter for the full season (replacing Unitas) in 68 for the Colts leading them to the SB and winning the NFL MVP. In 72 he started 11 games for the Dolphins (Griese injured)in their undefeated season, winning AFC player of the year and NFL Comeback player of the year in his 15th season.
quote:Originally posted by oldnavy:
CAPACK
Pretty decent list, but I got to disagree with it being all about the numbers...
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Silly me I thought you were comparing quarterbacks...
I was. Let me know if you need me to spell it out further.
quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
If not for one of the the worst non fumble calls in playoff history (skip to the 8:22 mark)
Trivia: The fumble that wasn't a fumble was recovered by former GB #1 draft pick Mike McCoy.
May God have mercy on your soul.quote:Originally posted by CitizenDan:quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
Silly me I thought you were comparing quarterbacks...
I was. Let me know if you need me to spell it out further.
Agree that Starr/Favre/Rodgers looks to be the all time best combo.
Hard to believe 20 years ago yesterday was the day that Ron Wolf pulled the trigger for Favre. Wow, it just doesn't seem like 20 years ago but it was.
Hard to believe 20 years ago yesterday was the day that Ron Wolf pulled the trigger for Favre. Wow, it just doesn't seem like 20 years ago but it was.
... and I along with my roommates in college at the time all said, "Who?" in response to news of the trade.
Funny - ATL wound up using that first rounder on the immortal Tony Smith, who was actually a teammate of Favre's at Southern Miss.
Funny - ATL wound up using that first rounder on the immortal Tony Smith, who was actually a teammate of Favre's at Southern Miss.
quote:Originally posted by CitizenDan:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChilliJon:
If not for one of the the worst non fumble calls in playoff history (skip to the 8:22 mark)
Except for the real worst non fumble call in playoff history. Rice's
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
Niners have had Brodie/Montana/Young. Dallass had Meredith/Staubach/Aikman. Bears had Bob Avellini/Rusty Lisch/Steve Stenstrom.
This made me laugh...mostly because you were just being, ean to the Bears.
BK, 4 syblings. Are your parents half black?