Janis!
@Tavis Smiley posted:I'll post a picture of his dick and that might change your mind.
No. That would just reinforce my disdain for the person. It would be stupid to lose all those great Packer memories.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Neither Clay Matthews Sr. or Clay Matthews Jr. is in the HOF.
Geeez, I Googled Brothers in NFL Hall of Fame and their names came right up so I thought they were in. Guess Google was rong.
Google "things Google gets wrong when googling."
A couple of my favorite Sterling memories:
Vs Atlanta in 1991, pissing all over this DB named Deion Sanders.
Vs Pittsburgh in 1992. Rod Woodson had been receiving an incredible amount of pre-game hype.
Sharpe had him literally crying on the sideline before halftime!
Sanders has said Sterling was the toughest WR he ever played against.
@mrtundra posted:
Love this
I hate that his career was cut short, and that he never got a ring.
Really good piece from Bill Huber with some quotes from Ron Wolf and Andy Reid.
Numbers with Favre are very comparable with Rice and I agree with Reid- he doesn't have the injury and he's in the conversation of best ever.
Let's see what people on here think. I've watched the Packers since 1975, so I can't really rank the guys before that, but I did take some liberties and still rank Don Hutson because he may have been one of the most important players in NFL history in terms of how he changed the perception of what WRs could do.
Best WRs in Packers history
1. Don Hutson
2. James Lofton - the best combination of speed, hands, and route running I've seen from a Packers player. Imagine if he'd have played under the modern rules where you couldn't maul guys running routes.
3. Davante Adams - Sterling Sharpe with longevity.
4. Sterling Sharpe
5. Donald Driver - never really a top 5 NFL receiver in any year, but a long sustained string of excellent seasons.
6. Greg Jennings - his peak was higher than Driver, but it was only for 2-3 years.
7. Jordy Nelson - really only 4 good years, but those years were great. Made only 1 Pro Bowl.
8. Antonio Freeman - only ever made one Pro Bowler. He was a good, but not great, WR who peak Favre made look a lot better than he really was. Made only 1 Pro Bowl.
9. Robert Brooks - one great year, better than Freeman, but the ACL ruined him
10. Max McGee/Boyd Dowler - not sure where the rank them.
There is not a single current WR on the roster than will ever break into this type of top 10 ranking. Even if they stayed healthy for 10 years, it wouldn't be close. Watson was the only one even in the conversation.
Sterling Sharpe was better than Davante Adams just for the fact the whole world knew the ball was going to him and he still dominated
John Jefferson was pretty good. Overshadowed by Lofton tho.
All different era's. Receivers could get mugged in the old days and a lot of them didn't have to worry about Jack Tatum or Ronnie Lott.
I always felt the receiver matched with the QB. Starr with Dowler and Dale, Dickey with Lofton , Coffman and Jefferson, Favor with Brooks and Freeman and Rodgers with Gerg, Jones, Driver, Jordy and later Devante
If for nothing, else Ray Scott’s call of Starr, Dowler touchdown cements Boyd in Packer lore.
It's a good list, but I think it's way too early to say "there is not a single current WR on the roster than will ever break into this type of top 10 ranking. Even if they stayed healthy for 10 years, it wouldn't be close. Watson was the only one even in the conversation."
We have to remember that Watson, Doubs, Wicks, and even Heath have only been in the league for two or three years. Look at Driver's first three years - his numbers aren't close to any of those guys' except Malik Heath. Beyond that, Driver didn't get in the league until he was 24 years old. The same age these guys are now. If you want to say you don't think the current guys will end up having as good a career, that's fair, but let's not completely write them off just yet.
@Packiderm posted:All different era's. Receivers could get mugged in the old days and a lot of them didn't have to worry about Jack Tatum or Ronnie Lott.
I always felt the receiver matched with the QB. Starr with Dowler and Dale, Dickey with Lofton , Coffman and Jefferson, Favor with Brooks and Freeman and Rodgers with Gerg, Jones, Driver, Jordy and later Devante
So Sterling Sharpe didn’t exist in Packerdermland then?
@YooperPackfan posted:So Sterling Sharpe didn’t exist in Packerdermland then?
He was the guy when he played. along with a bunch of misfits, Brent force fed him the ball a lot. Wasn't on TV much here when he played until Holmgren arrived
@Packiderm posted:He was the guy when he played. along with a bunch of misfits, Brent force fed him the ball a lot. Wasn't on TV much here when he played until Holmgren arrived
Well i think it was more Favor to Sharpe than it was Favor to Brooks
@Pikes Peak posted:John Jefferson was pretty good. Overshadowed by Lofton tho.
Nobody was more excited to see JJ come to GB than this kid.
Unfortunately, he arrived fat and slow and never really put up the numbers he had in SD. I remember him making a few of those Swann like catches he was known for but he was past his prime in GB.
I mean something happened on his way from SD to GB that offseason. He was still only 25:
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@YooperPackfan posted:Sterling Sharpe was better than Davante Adams just for the fact the whole world knew the ball was going to him and he still dominated
And imagine STERLING with today's defensive rules.
@michiganjoe posted:
Probably my favorite Sharpe moment.
I believe he was injured a while before that play too. Was it turf toe or an ankle? He was limping a lot in the second half and that may have contributed to him getting so open down the right sideline. I don't think those DB's thought he could run that fast on one good leg.
@DH13 posted:...I mean something happened on his way from SD to GB that offseason. He was still only 25:
If memory serves, JJ found himself in the doghouse for whatever reason.
Gregg really developed a hard-on for him, and didn't treat JJ very well.
FWIW, Gregg and Glanville were similar with their approach to 'disciplining' players. Either would put a guy on the bench just to 'teach him a lesson', even if it was ultimately detrimental to the team.
Well alright Sterling! Color me surprised. 😀
@Timmy! posted:If memory serves, JJ found himself in the doghouse for whatever reason.
Gregg really developed a hard-on for him, and didn't treat JJ very well.
FWIW, Gregg and Glanville were similar with their approach to 'disciplining' players. Either would put a guy on the bench just to 'teach him a lesson', even if it was ultimately detrimental to the team.
I remember hating the Gregg hiring, and one big reason was Gregg still thought it was 1960 for disciplining players. And that was one reason the Bengals allowed him out of his contract, so that the Packers could hire him, [Bengals] players were tired of him.
Previously, the Browns fired him for the same reason:
According to Dave Logan, safety Thom Darden and Gregg once had a fist fight after a game. Darden has explained that the 1977 Cleveland Browns did not respond to Gregg's coaching style, which contributed to his firing with one game remaining.
@Timmy! posted:If memory serves, JJ found himself in the doghouse for whatever reason.
Gregg really developed a hard-on for him, and didn't treat JJ very well.
FWIW, Gregg and Glanville were similar with their approach to 'disciplining' players. Either would put a guy on the bench just to 'teach him a lesson', even if it was ultimately detrimental to the team.
The story was JJ came into camp overweight and "slow". There was a huge statistical drop off from his last year in SD to his first year in GB. He peaked his last year in SD - wonder why they dealt him. I don't have the snap count numbers to compare and do not recall if JJ's stats were limited because his snaps were limited. If that is what you meant by "in the doghouse".
@michiganjoe posted:
Probably my favorite Sharpe moment.
Here's a 9:00 highlights video from the way back machine. Lots o' fun, vintage shots of 3 Favre/Sharpe TD's.
Favre with an early pick-6.
Rookie Teague with a 101yd pick-6. Buckley with a pick in DET EZ.
Derrell Thompson with some yardage. That dude was so stiff.
Barry Sanders doing what he did, Perriman going off bc Fritz was shutting Herman Moore down.
@DH13 posted:Here's a 9:00 highlights video from the way back machine. Lots o' fun, vintage shots of 3 Favre/Sharpe TD's.
Favre with an early pick-6.
Rookie Teague with a 101yd pick-6. Buckley with a pick in DET EZ.
Derrell Thompson with some yardage. That dude was so stiff.
Barry Sanders doing what he did, Perriman going off bc Fritz was shutting Herman Moore down.
Fun to see. What strikes me is how big the shoulder pads were back in the day! That, and how Sharpe wore his helmet; he looked like a little kid with it tipped back and showing more of his forehead. And dang, Barry... *phew* that dude was slipperier than a greased pig in a mud pit, but so much fun to watch him. No one could stick a foot into the turf and change direction like he could.
I had forgotten Daryl Thompson was a big as he was.
Career highlights here. I completely forgot Randy Wright ever threw to Sharpe. He is best known for his strength and ability to run through or drag tacklers but he also had enough speed to run away from guys. I think people often forget that along with the fact he never missed a game until the first neck injury. He was a complete player.
Wasn't he also the 4th string emergency QB or am I misremembering that? I thought he even saw a few snaps once.
If he had been able to finish his career, he would be talked about with Jerry Rice among the greatest of all time. Watching the highlights here, what strikes me first is how open he is. He's not barely open; even by today's standards, he's wide open. He made it easy for even bad QBs to get him the ball.
If Sterling had a full(er) career, Jerry Rice would've been talked about with Sharpe among the greatest of all time.
He was a complete WR.
Route success/separation
Catch radius
50/50 ball winner
Speed
Ran through contact
Blocked
Always available
That's pretty complete. It's tough to put others in his category. Not just in receptions and TD totals, but when it comes to his physicality. While they were playing I recall comparisons to him from Anquon Boldin, Hines Ward, Marty Booker, Deebo Samuel. None of which were at Sharpe's level. If you combine all those traits along with stats, I would look at Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Terrell Owens, all of whom were much bigger than SS. Sterling was only 6'-0".
@DH13 posted:Here's a 9:00 highlights video from the way back machine. Lots o' fun, vintage shots of 3 Favre/Sharpe TD's.
Favre with an early pick-6.
Rookie Teague with a 101yd pick-6. Buckley with a pick in DET EZ.
Derrell Thompson with some yardage. That dude was so stiff.
Barry Sanders doing what he did, Perriman going off bc Fritz was shutting Herman Moore down.
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