Super Bowl LIX (licks)

I have very little interest in this SB. I'll most likely watch, but I really just want my numbers to hit.

Bill Burr. What a great guest to watch football with.

I’m looking forward to it, looks to be a great game.  I will miss football tomorrow.

There is a depressing aspect to the big game. When it's over, it's over for months. Some of us will be forced to interact with family/friends.  Tread lightly. Try to look busy.

It's already over.

I'll spoil it for you ....

Eagles will by up by 30 with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter & KC will come roaring back to tie it & push the game to OT.

Saquon will fumble in OT and KC pulls out the victory with a FG.

Final score....

KC 47

Eagles 44

In OT

PHI is +10 TO in the playoffs. KC is -1.

PHI has a much better rushing attack.

I think PHI is better overall (both sides of the ball) on the lines.

PHI looks like a more physical team.

I think PHI wins by 2 scores.

Absolutely do not want the Chiefs to get the 3 peat. But it'll be hard to pull for Philly, primarily due to their rude, obnoxious fans. So, hoping Philly wins but wont be cheering for them.

I don’t really care about the game. I’m looking forward to the four hours of fantastic commercials.  Special bonus if the “artist” doing the National Anthem makes the song last twice as long as it was meant to be.

My prediction:

The NFL/KC refs decide to up their game and create the first pre-game penalties.  After starting with 1st down and 2,000 yards to go, Philly fans are enraged.  Philly fans break out of prisons across the globe causing worldwide destruction.  World leaders demand an independent investigation, which finds all teams (except one) to be cheating.  Green Bay, being the world's only honorable team, gets the win and the admiration of all mankind.

....and we all 🤬 the NFL

@PackLandVA posted:

I have very little interest in this SB. I'll most likely watch, but I really just want my numbers to hit.

I have ZERO interest in this game.  I hate Philly and their fans with a passion and if you have ever experienced their fans in person you would understand. I want no joy whatsoever for that fan base.  And I started to really find it hard to tolerate how the game is officiated when KC plays and the NBA level of favoritism they get.

So, my wife and I will head to the local casino where I will admit I will place a few bets on the game, but my only interest is if what I bet pays off.

Even the commercials are gonna suck. There might be 2 decent ones but the rest will blow!

Not sure why but actually looking forward to the “kick of Destiny”

3 pete

ZEKE!

If Chiefs win this thing, at what point does Patrick start thinking of claiming GOAT?

Though I think he is supremely more talented than Brady, it may take 7 SB rings for Mahomes to claim that spot.  Which, to add more dread to monday morning, isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

@H5 posted:

PHI is +10 TO in the playoffs. KC is -1.

PHI has a much better rushing attack.

I think PHI is better overall (both sides of the ball) on the lines.

PHI looks like a more physical team.

I think PHI wins by 2 scores.

I agree PHI should win this but JF(K)C, I would not be surprised one bit if they didn't.

@Shadow posted:

If Chiefs win this thing, at what point does Patrick start thinking of claiming GOAT?

I don't think Lucas Patrick is the GOAT.

@H5 posted:

PHI is +10 TO in the playoffs. KC is -1.

PHI has a much better rushing attack.

I think PHI is better overall (both sides of the ball) on the lines.

PHI looks like a more physical team.

I think PHI wins by 2 scores.

It will mark for a good discussion about how much difference the QB actually makes. If you switched QBs, Philly would win the Super Bowl by 20+ points and the Chiefs wouldn't have made it out of the first round of the playoffs (if they even got there).

@Shadow posted:

If Chiefs win this thing, at what point does Patrick start thinking of claiming GOAT?

That's GOAT Doctor Professor Patrick to you!

If I knew how to insert pics I'd find Bugs Bunny saying, ”What's up Doc?”.

@Fedya posted:

I don't think Lucas Patrick is the GOAT.

Whatever. Do you even watch football? ~

PS: is this ~ still the symbol for sarcasm?

@Shadow posted:

If I knew how to insert pics I'd find Bugs Bunny saying, ”What's up Doc?”.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

It will mark for a good discussion about how much difference the QB actually makes. If you switched QBs, Philly would win the Super Bowl by 20+ points and the Chiefs wouldn't have made it out of the first round of the playoffs (if they even got there).

Mahomes just seems to always make the right decision. The game seems like it is in slow motion for him, even when he runs, or is avoiding rushers in the pocket, just an eerie calmness to his game.

@FLPACKER posted:

Mahomes just seems to always make the right decision. The game seems like it is in slow motion for him, even when he runs, or is avoiding rushers in the pocket, just an eerie calmness to his game.

And glad the Bears screwed that one up

@YooperPackfan posted:

And glad the Bears screwed that one up

You know even IF the Bears picked Mahomes, they would've just ruined him - PM wouldn't have done jack squat in Chicago.

@FLPACKER posted:

Mahomes just seems to always make the right decision. The game seems like it is in slow motion for him, even when he runs, or is avoiding rushers in the pocket, just an eerie calmness to his game.

He's like a more mobile Joe Montana with a better arm. Montana also had that "slow motion" game, and the bigger the game the slower it was for him. Mahomes is calm, but he can be ruffled a bit if he's forced to run a ton. I find the primary reason he's also so good is that Reid is exceptional. Reid has such a great feel for what plays to run, how the game is tilting, how to counter the other team, and how far to push his QB. Mahomes adds spiciness, but Reid is the sauce.

Mahomes reminds me a lot of the play of Bart Starr. Not that Starr would run like Mahomes does but that neither seem to get rattled much under pressure.  Both are so cool back there and never let it get to them.   Like the drive in the Ice Bowl I see the same confidence in Mahomes.

@Fandame posted:

He's like a more mobile Joe Montana with a better arm. Montana also had that "slow motion" game, and the bigger the game the slower it was for him. Mahomes is calm, but he can be ruffled a bit if he's forced to run a ton. I find the primary reason he's also so good is that Reid is exceptional. Reid has such a great feel for what plays to run, how the game is tilting, how to counter the other team, and how far to push his QB. Mahomes adds spiciness, but Reid is the sauce.

Mahomes is what McNabb never was for Reid in Philadelphia.

@Fandame posted:

He's like a more mobile Joe Montana with a better arm. Montana also had that "slow motion" game, and the bigger the game the slower it was for him. Mahomes is calm, but he can be ruffled a bit if he's forced to run a ton. I find the primary reason he's also so good is that Reid is exceptional. Reid has such a great feel for what plays to run, how the game is tilting, how to counter the other team, and how far to push his QB. Mahomes adds spiciness, but Reid is the sauce.

I like the Montana/Mahomes comparison.  Joe to me is definitely in the top 5 QBs to ever play the position (and Mahomes may be already).  He wasn't that big, didn't have the big arm, and wasn't the most mobile QB but man was he cool under pressure and just was so calm.  Mahomes is definitely the better athlete and is more mobile if he has to be but there are a lot of similarities in their games.

I also like the thought about Reid.  He just has that feel for what to call at just the right moment.  Something that Montana's coach Bill Walsh could do as well.

One thing about KC is that no one really talks about their defense much.  When I see them play I find myself thinking of how many Super Bowls the Packers could have won if they had that kind of defense.

I think a lot of people talk about KC's D and Spagnuolo.  Especially this year when they've kept their middling offense and middling QB in games so their middling QB can transform back into the clutch assassin he is and win the game on their last possession.  I'm not sure they make the playoffs this year with a middling D.

On Montana, he was very mobile, especially for his era.  Not Mahomes mobile but he moved around a lot outside the pocket.  Especially compared to his contemporaries like Marino, Kelly, Esiason, Fouts, Sims.  Interesting he finished his career in...KC.

@The Heckler posted:

I like the Montana/Mahomes comparison.  Joe to me is definitely in the top 5 QBs to ever play the position (and Mahomes may be already).  He wasn't that big, didn't have the big arm, and wasn't the most mobile QB but man was he cool under pressure and just was so calm.  Mahomes is definitely the better athlete and is more mobile if he has to be but there are a lot of similarities in their games.

I also like the thought about Reid.  He just has that feel for what to call at just the right moment.  Something that Montana's coach Bill Walsh could do as well.

One thing about KC is that no one really talks about their defense much.  When I see them play I find myself thinking of how many Super Bowls the Packers could have won if they had that kind of defense.

When the Packers had the level of defensive front 7 guy like Chris Jones is right now, they either won Super Bowls (Reggie White and prime CM3) or should have (Julius Peppers - 2014).

The Packers just have not had that type of guy. They are hard to find. The guys that make plays like Aaron Donald did in the Rams Super Bowl win where he just beat the guy in front of him to disrupt what would have been a walk in TD from Burrow to Chase on the Bengals last drive.

That's why someone is going to trade everything but the kitchen sink for Garrett (and maybe for Maxx Crosby)

I'd say Garrett to DET.

Garrett to DET would leave ZSmith out in the cold again!  Detroit is also feeling the squeeze of being so close and not even making it to the NFCC. They may do something just to do something, especially now that they've lost some top assistant coaches, unless their GM has a lot of discipline. If they make a splash and it doesn't pan out, they may slide downward pretty fast.

If Garrett were to land in GB (yeah, I don't think so but fun to speculate), it would free up Gary to do some damage.   

As somebody else pointed out, DET's window is as open right now as it's going to get with their current roster.  Some may say it's already closing after losing BJ and others.  They'll get a lot of injured players back and no doubt try to bolster their roster some more this spring.  The biggest question I see them having in getting to a SB is the QB.  I can't help but wonder if they're not looking for a step up. 

14 years since our last Super Bowl win.  I sure thought we’d have more appearances with Rodgers.  

@DH13 posted:

As somebody else pointed out, DET's window is as open right now as it's going to get with their current roster.  Some may say it's already closing after losing BJ and others.  They'll get a lot of injured players back and no doubt try to bolster their roster some more this spring.  The biggest question I see them having in getting to a SB is the QB.  I can't help but wonder if they're not looking for a step up.

I agree that their window is open right now, but I also think that it could be very slowly closing as well.  If all of those injured players get back to being what they used to be I would have to put them as the NFC favorites.   But, as we all know when a team has success teams hire away your top coordinators and I think losing them could hurt them.  And as we have discussed before players are going to want to get paid and you can only pay so many with top contracts.

@DH13 posted:

As somebody else pointed out, DET's window is as open right now as it's going to get with their current roster.  Some may say it's already closing after losing BJ and others.  They'll get a lot of injured players back and no doubt try to bolster their roster some more this spring.  The biggest question I see them having in getting to a SB is the QB.  I can't help but wonder if they're not looking for a step up.

That’s such a tough position when the rest of your roster appears poised and you at least have chemistry. Is Elvis Grbac worth the risk?

Not only that but the balls it would take for the GM/HC to replace a QB that's had the regular season stats Goff has had the last couple years.  As fans it's easy for us to sit back in our couch and scoff at his playoff performance vs WAS and seeing him wilt when pressured.  But the GM/HC know how hard it is to get there in the first place.  You'd have to have incredible confidence in somebody else you could bring in playing better under pressure.  I wonder if Stafford is available!

The Lions scored 31, had over 500 yards of O and had 5 turnovers.  Washington scored  45.  Certainly the 4 turnovers by Goff were a major factor but the depleted D played a role too. A couple of boneheaded coaching calls also contributed.

How many times have we read here that if the O scores 31 that should be enough.

It’s  team game.

If Detroit doesn't have the rash of injuries they had, I'm betting they are in the Super Bowl. They lost a legit DPOY candidate in Hutchinson. That alone can change a teams fortunes but they lost a lot of guys.

Still think they should have beaten Washington. Gibbs averaged 7.5 YPC and only carried the ball 14 times. Completely ridiculous. The Jameson Williams reverse pass was one of the dumbest play calls I've seen. I can't wait to see Ben Johnson do stupid stuff like this with the Bears. Not sure they get past the Eagles though.