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Cushing out is at least one less thing to worry about. Clay calls out NFL hypocrisy on player safety

Yeah titm, saw that tweet last night. Made me laugh.

Just think if they had Mario and JJ Watt. Didnt miss a beat losing one guy.

The texans are clearly elite...no need for the packers to make the trip...seasons over.

This is clearly a make or break game. They already trail in the division by two games, and the difference between 2-4 and 3-3 is big at this point in the season. They are catching the Texans after the latter played a Monday night game on the east coast, and after they have lost one of their top defenders.

In 2010, the Packers were struggling and had lost a number of key players including Finley, Grant and Nick Barnett. Somehow, they pulled it together and the rest is history. I think losing Bishop at ILB, and the nastiness he brings to the defense is much bigger than any of the 2010 losses. Beyond that, there is definitely something else wrong with this team this year, and I don't think it's physical. Rodgers has not been himself...I don't know if it's related to losing Philbin, or having McAdoo as QB coach, or even losing Flynn as his confidant....but something's wrong. They either do some serious soul-searching this week and use their embarrassing 2nd half performance against Indy as motivation and come out and play their best game of the season in Houston, or they get run over by Foster and Co. and lay another egg. I'm leaning toward the former, but I can't really get a handle on this team, so who knows. Maybe it's time for McCarthy to send a message that the status quo is not acceptable by sitting Saturday in favor of EDS and Driver in favor of Bondrel.

I don't know how make-or-break it is. One more out-of-conference loss won't matter if GB takes care of business within its own conference and division.

There are still five division games and three NFC games to go -- not to mention semi-pushovers in the form of Tennessee and Jacksonville. The story will be far from written if GB gets beat by a red-hot Houston team playing at home.

I understand that it is out of conference, but a loss is a loss. Should they lose, they'll need to go 8-2 the rest of the way just to reach 10-6, which I am not sure they can do with road games at each division rival. Even more important, I think a win is necessary to turn this team's psyche around.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Yeah titm, saw that tweet last night. Made me laugh.

Of course, he's right. The NFL's biggest concern is producing more yards and points and avoiding another season where a star QB like Brady goes on IR early.

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Originally posted by CitizenDan:
I don't know how make-or-break it is. One more out-of-conference loss won't matter if GB takes care of business within its own conference and division.

There are still five division games and three NFC games to go -- not to mention semi-pushovers in the form of Tennessee and Jacksonville. The story will be far from written if GB gets beat by a red-hot Houston team playing at home.

Absolutely correct. Thanks for some sorely lacking perspective.

I wish TD was around so he and GD could debate JJ Watt...

Cris Carter said on M&M this morning that Watt is the NFL defensive player of the year at this point and is "Reggie White-ish."

What's to debate? I've always maintained, even when he was at Wisconsin, that Va-JJ was a very good player and that he would have success in the NFL. I pointed out some flaws I observed (something all college players have) and I gave my opinion on where I thought his skills would best be utilized (which I stand by). Not ready to crown him as a HOF-er or as the next Reggie White though...Nndomukong Suh was the most dominant player this league had seen since Reggie White a couple years ago and he's not dominating the league anymore. Same thing for Kevin Williams, Albert Haynesworth, Tommie Harris, etc. I'm not trying to take anything away from Watt and I'm not saying he has the same attitude/personalities that the previously mentioned players have/had, he's playing great football and I would agree he's the DPOY at this point, but when he's consistently having dominant success by year 4 (like we would do with any rookie) I will start talking Reggie White/HOF.

Gruden put JJ in the Hall of Fame last night.

CC is going to have to step up his game. Going "Reggie White-ish" isn't going to cut it.

This is a trap game

For the Texans


Actually, looking at the schedule, Green Bay will win their next 4 games to go to 6-3, then have their bye.

Book it!

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Originally posted by RochNyFan:
. They either do some serious soul-searching this week and use their embarrassing 2nd half performance against Indy as motivation and come out and play their best game of the season in Houston, or they get run over by Foster and Co. and lay another egg. .

I thought the debacle in Seattle would be enough motivation....

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
What's to debate?

Sometimes we don't know. That doesn't diminish the entertainment value.

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Originally posted by derps:
This is a trap game

For the Texans


Actually, looking at the schedule, Green Bay will win their next 4 games to go to 6-3, then have their bye.

Book it!

I agree. Come join us in the optimist thread for some brandy and bratworst.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
I wish TD was around so he and GD could debate JJ Watt...

Cris Carter said on M&M this morning that Watt is the NFL defensive player of the year at this point and is "Reggie White-ish."

Today's M&M show was a repeat of yesterday's.

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
The texans are clearly elite...no need for the packers to make the trip...seasons over.

I agree...I am ready for some NHL!!!!!!!

"we're nobody's underdog."

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Originally posted by CitizenDan:
I don't know how make-or-break it is. One more out-of-conference loss won't matter if GB takes care of business within its own conference and division.

There are still five division games and three NFC games to go -- not to mention semi-pushovers in the form of Tennessee and Jacksonville. The story will be far from written if GB gets beat by a red-hot Houston team playing at home.

That's what every one was saying about the Colts. The way were playing no team can be a semi-pushover.

I saw part of The Texans-Jets last night and it seemed to me the Jets were OK at moving the ball with downfield passes, despite the Jets apparently lacking their first-line receivers.

Might be a vulnerability here.

So, our best backup quarterback is the punter? Get McNabb.

This is in the bag

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
... and is "Reggie White-ish."

He is rather pale.

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Originally posted by oshbaul:
So, our best backup quarterback is the punter? Get McNabb.

I'd rather take my chances with the punter.

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I've always maintained, even when he was at Wisconsin, that Va-JJ was a very good player and that he would have success in the NFL.

I'm calling BS on this one

You went on and on about how he couldn't play in a 3-4 scheme despite dominating in his senior year as a 3-4 rush end at Wisconsin

Right now he might be the best DL in the league

Too bad Peyton Manning couldn't beat out Chuck Woodson for the Heisman

As for the Texans, for as good as they are defensively outside of Joseph those DBs are not very good at covering guys. The Packers need to spread them out and force them into nickel and dime coverage and get the mismatches there. However, they still need to block those DL and that might be a huge challenge.

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Originally posted by Tschmack:
Too bad Peyton Manning couldn't beat out Chuck Woodson for the Heisman

Your B1G insecurity is showing.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:
Cushing out is at least one less thing to worry about. Clay calls out NFL hypocrisy on player safety

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Originally posted by Tschmack:
I'm calling BS on this one

You went on and on about how he couldn't play in a 3-4 scheme despite dominating in his senior year as a 3-4 rush end at Wisconsin

Well that's simply untrue. I know you get red hot mad when someone isn't ridiculously complementary of your not-so-secret-crush, but that's not what I said. I actually spoke highly of him, comparing him to Julius Peppers in terms of physically ability, and like Peppers I thought, and still think that his best position would be as a RE in a 43. The fact that he's having success as a 3 and 5 technique doesn't make that thought untrue. I thought his abilities would be wasted as a 34 End, which I still think. What I didn't do was give Wade Phillips enough credit for being creative and moving him around. He's not just a 5-technique, I've seen him play out a 9 and in at a 3. And actually watching him now, he reminds me more of a quicker Justin Smith who found a lot of success as a 43 LE and his now having a lot of success as a 34 End.

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Originally posted by CitizenDan:
I don't know how make-or-break it is. One more out-of-conference loss won't matter if GB takes care of business within its own conference and division.

There are still five division games and three NFC games to go -- not to mention semi-pushovers in the form of Tennessee and Jacksonville. The story will be far from written if GB gets beat by a red-hot Houston team playing at home.

This.
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The other thing.

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If the Packers have edge vs. Texans, it could be S-teams. Houston has allowed 2 TD returns, a fact KR Randall Cobb says GB is well aware of.

After being in Houston 2 days the affection for JJ MegaWatt down here is very high.

Tonight my limo driver became horrified when I informed him we had 2 OLB's from USC. He mentioned how great our team may have been had we been able to pair Watt with Claymaker.

This city is really cranked up for Sunday night.

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Originally posted by RatPack:
my limo driver

Let me know when you meat kworst on his yaht.

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Originally posted by RatPack:
After being in Houston 2 days the affection for JJ MegaWatt down here is very high.

Tonight my limo driver became horrified when I informed him we had 2 OLB's from USC. He mentioned how great our team may have been had we been able to pair Watt with Claymaker.

This city is really cranked up for Sunday night.

Every upstart (and wannabe upstarts like the Seahawks) team gets cranked up about their primetime games against the Packers. Let's just hope that the Packers finally match this enthusiasm for once since they are playing a 5-0 team that most have anointed as the league's best.

Not a time to save up sum funk.

Woodson will quit lamenting his loss of half of an Half second when he snags that, break the ice, interception.

As long as there's enough funk to go around after that, osh. It'll be apple sauce all around if there is.

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I thought his abilities would be wasted as a 34 End, which I still think.

You might be the only person in America that thinks this

People forget Watt also played some DT in pass rushing situations at UW and he thrived there as well. We all know college isn't the NFL but there is no question the guy has proven he's effective at this level.

It's tough to compare anyone to Watt becuase he's such a freak of nature. I don't think he's as athletically gifted as Peppers, although he's probably as good if not better as Peppers as a pass rusher. No one plays like Justin Smith IMO. He's so strong and is a mauler which isn't exactly Watt's game either. Watt's very tough to defend because he's tall and uses his hands extremely well, and you aren't going to overpower him in most situations either because he is pretty stout.

I think it's a bit ridiculous to compare Watt to Reggie White but in terms of how they play I think that is a good comparison based on their style of play. Reggie was big and physical enough to overpower you but he was quick enough to beat guys off the edge or inside as well.

Still anxious to see what strategy the Packers employ to minimize Watts chances for tipped & batted balls....a key in this game.