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I am just happy that he is able to utilize all of the freedoms that his father and others have ensured that he has.

Spearhesd in '90 / '91-Iraq
Spearhead in '94 in Macedonia
Old Ironsides '95 and '97 in Bosnia

maybe it is better to be a bystander and reap the rewards of those that fought and died for our freedoms.
I enlisted in a combat MOS in '90, requested Germany as a service station knowing full well that I would end up in a war zone.

I am not looking for any type of thanks, it just pisses me off when i see a response like this on a message board.
without people like his own father, he may not have the ability to post his drivel.

He should show some respect for his own father and his accomplishments.
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Nice that he passive aggressively craps on a thread that should be about thanks to heroes.

If we're going to call everybody who served a hero, then by definition that makes my father a hero. (I suppose it makes Elvis Presley a hero too.)

My late uncle was forced by conscription to serve in Korea. May I call him a hero?

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He should show some respect for his own father and his accomplishments.

I don't think my father would mind; needless to say he didn't appreciate being drafted. He claims that at his induction physical the doctors told him he had bad teeth that would need to be removed; 50 years on he's still got half or so of his teeth left. And they sent him to New Mexico because of his ragweed allergy, only to find out he was also allergic to tumbleweed. Smiler Sometimes I think he's exaggerating a bit.
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Originally posted by Fedya:
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Nice that he passive aggressively craps on a thread that should be about thanks to heroes.

If we're going to call everybody who served a hero, then by definition that makes my father a hero. (I suppose it makes Elvis Presley a hero too.)

My late uncle was forced by conscription to serve in Korea. May I call him a hero?

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He should show some respect for his own father and his accomplishments.

I don't think my father would mind; needless to say he didn't appreciate being drafted. He claims that at his induction physical the doctors told him he had bad teeth that would need to be removed; 50 years on he's still got half or so of his teeth left. And they sent him to New Mexico because of his ragweed allergy, only to find out he was also allergic to tumbleweed. Smiler Sometimes I think he's exaggerating a bit.


Funny thing, I used to eat at the Elvis Presley Dining facility in Friedberg Germany.

BTW, none of us actually think of ourselves as heroes. we think of ourselves as survivors.

if you need an explanation, feel free to ask.
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Originally posted by Pakrz:
Once again Fedumdum proves to be an assclown, one post at a time. If I ever meet your dad, I'll thank him for his service and then inquire as to why he raised such a pussy.




Spent four years in WW Minot.

Turned down orders to Keflavik Iceland and Clark AFB PI.

Had a couple decent TDY's but was mostly stuck in whynot Minot.
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Originally posted by PinG:
I am just happy that he is able to utilize all of the freedoms that his father and others have ensured that he has.

Spearhesd in '90 / '91-Iraq
Spearhead in '94 in Macedonia
Old Ironsides '95 and '97 in Bosnia.



No offense but what did any of those conflicts have to do with our freedoms?

By the way I am a vet of the Vietnam War era which also had nothing to do with our freedoms.

That being said, thanks to all the vets out there, especially those conscripted
for dubious reasons.
I never said, nor did I mean to infer that any of those conflicts or peace keeping actions had anything to do dierectly with our freedoms.
it has more to to with the willingness to step forward and be prepared to give and sacrifice as an American. Rather than simply benifit from the sacrifice of others. It is more about showing that you are willing to fight to maintain what you have. those actions may be a poor example, but the personal feelings behind it are very real.

i have a lot of respect for Vietnam Vets. they put a lot on the line, only to be shat on by their own countrymen.
i have 3 older brothers that wer in Nam and a father that was a grunt in WW2. couple of Uncles that were in Korea as well.

Perhaps the "actions" had nothing to do with our freedoms in a direct way, but the average Americans willingness to "stand and be counted" means much in regards to our freedoms.

that being said, I can understand your bitterness.

you fought for no visible benefit in Nam, I did the same in Iraq. we should have taken Bagdad in '91 when we had the chance. It WOULD HAVE saved a lot of american lives in the 2000's....
now i stop before this gets political.
thanks for sharing and thank you, Sir, for your sacrifices for this country.
True Story:

Thursday night, Quad Cities airport, flight got delayed from 8:45PM to 3am ... not too happy of campers.

about 11AM, alot of commotion going on near the gate where all of my flight were pissin and moanin ... tables being setup, people walking towards our gate with flowers, balloons, some young army guys in their uniforms, some refreshments being setup ... I'm thinkin WTF?

Gate door opens up, here is an honor Flight of Old Vets start coming in slowly, most gettin in wheel chairs thru the crowd ... everyone clapping and cheering, really raucous for being spontaneous, it was awesome ... especially seeing the old boys' faces light up.

I was very happy that I got to be involved in it and I believe most were ... just really neat experience in such a spontaneous and real moment.

Packer-esque.
Not a hero in any sence of the word, but I'm an Air Force Guy who served over 22 years. Retired in 96 from the AF.

I did my part and did it well.

Time for the younguns to carry on the tradition from all walks of life.

I dont miss those days back then, but I would never wish they never occurred either.

Best of luck to all you Vets!

Thank You!
I amnot a vet. Reason is that I had my orders to report for duty but before the date specified, I was diagnosed with "hemorrhaging duodenol ulcer" bleeding internally and Uncle Sam no longer wanted my services. Something I had no control over.

Since I did not serve in the military I have great respect for all who did and are serving our country since I know that someone served in my place. I never fail to shake the hand of a vet (stranger or someone I know) and thank them for their service.

THANK YOU VETS AND ALL WHO ARE PRESENTLY SERVING!!
Great thread and props to those that have served

I will never forget an interview I did with my grandfather's brother about 20 years ago. He was in the South Pacific in WWII on the push toward Japan, and that was the first time he ever opened up about what he saw and did in the military. It was a moving experience for both of us and gave me a real appreciation for his dedication to our country.
After coming back to the States from Vietnam and being refused service in a San Diego bar and told to get the hell out after ordering a brew,plus all the hateful glances and comments from Californians in general it was really great to see American attitudes change towards Vietnam Vets who were just doing what our Country ordered us to do,its just too bad it took so long.
A big thanks to the vets for their service, prayers for the relatives that manage to keep a family together amid chaos, and condolences for all those who lost loved ones.

.A big **** you to the chicken hawk politicians and war profiteers that engineer schemes to put them in harms way, make it near impossible for them to perform their duties in theater, and then do as little as they can to help the troops and their families recover when they get back.

A double **** you to our nation's press for not holding the government accountable for the way said politicians and profiteers exploit honorable and proud service folks[/rant]
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Originally posted by Tschmack:
I will never forget an interview I did with my grandfather's brother about 20 years ago.


We have a recorded interview with my father-in-law about his WWII experiences. It's awesome. I cannot recommend doing this enough.

Thank you, veterans.


I am a big fan of Band of Brothers. Between the interviews with the vets that served and the quality of the series itself I feel like you get a real idea of what the WW II vets went through.
I didn't record it but took notes for a high school assignment

That was the first time in several decades he opened up about his experiences over there. The jist of his commentary is that sometimes what you see on TV or read in books doesn't do the story justice. In particular, how brutal and violent and mind numbing some of this stuff could be. He told me that you simply had to deal with those memories but they were always there

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