The Lions Sleep Tonight game thread

I know I heard one of the guys on MNF say "oh good play to knock it out of the endzone"....  I'm sure of it.  Anyone else??  and wow, what a possible different outcome if he would have been flagged.  1:45 left on the clock, and Detroit's ball inside the one yard line.  Wow.  NFL: Late 'illegal bat' penalty missed vs. Seahawks

you actually can see him reach for the flag and then think "wait a minute, this is the Lions" pic.twitter.com/AgKMjcH3YD

— gino.wav (@GinoTheGhost) October 6, 2015

Just when you thought it couldn't suck more to be a Lions fan....

I didn't finish the game so I just now saw the replay, unreal! I don't understand how the Seahawks constantly seem to get these calls! I can understand (not forgive) that a high school ref would miss a major call like the Fail Mary, but how do the professional refs miss such a blatant call? It's not debatable what his intent was, he slapped it OOB with one hand which even I know is illegal. You can even see the ref looking directly at him, 5 yards away!

and, the ball was a good 5 feet from going out of bounds when he tapped it. Dude, it ripped that 2012 scab that was just starting to heal clean off! Amazing folly. Refs lost any credibility they had built to this point in my eyes.

 Prime time team still has a chance.  Roger and TV liking the call and that is what rules the day.  Bonus is now we have a controversy not involving beating, cheating, or dopes. Ratings......

The incompetence is unexplainable to me.

Maybe this is just part of the script that will be of the 2015 season. Maybe now with this spotted/b.s. win the Hags got it will help them get enough wins for them to reach the playoffs as the #6 seed. And then setup a possible matchup at Lambeau in the divisional round for us to beat the living sh!t out of them.  The Packers will be lickin' their chops to get those guys up there in January.

If Seattle has to go on the road in the playoffs then they will be out by round one. Their OLine is too terrible for them to win in the playoffs.

That would be fine by me.

       
       
Why are you so sympathetic? They certainly were able to rub it in when the fail mary occurred

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 @AroundTheNFL: Blandino: “Judgment call on the field. Back judge felt it wasn’t overt. That’s why he didn’t call it on the field."

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Wasn't overt?  He reached for the ball, touched it and it went out of bounds. If it had bounced off his ass I'd give him the benefit.

Now I get it.  Some.

 

It was three years ago when replacement officials credited Golden Tate with a disputed touchdown reception on the final play in nearly the same spot as Seattle beat Green Bay.

 

Now it was Tate, playing for Detroit, on the opposite side of a strange play in the Emerald City. Detroit is off to its worst start since it also started 0-4 in 2010.

 

@AroundTheNFL: Blandino: “Judgment call on the field. Back judge felt it wasn’t overt. That’s why he didn’t call it on the field."

CYA. It's a judgment call if the ball is knocked out of bounds by a player attempting a recovery. It was nothing more complicated than a blown call and using judgment as some sort of shield to deflect blame is pathetic.

Every call is a judgment call.

Is it a judgement call if it is longer than 4 hours?

Attention whore.

@SeifertESPN: Lance Easley plans to reach out to Gregory Wilson, who missed the batted ball call on #MNF. You already know Easley. http://t.co/BlUiLcKzIn

Numbers also say Lions got robbed:

 

And while it's impossible to know for certain which team would have won the game had things gone differently, we can make some good estimates about each team's chances using our win probability model.

 

There's little doubt Chancellor's amazing play saved a touchdown and prevented the Seahawks from falling behind by four points with less than two minutes remaining. Here's the breakdown:

 

• A Detroit touchdown leaves Seattle down by four with 1:45 to play, giving the Seahawks a 15.7 percent chance of winning.

 

• Chancellor's play keeps the Seahawks up by three, giving them an 89.5 percent chance of winning.

 

• Had the Seahawks been penalized for illegal batting, Detroit would have had a first-and-goal inside the 1 with 1:45 to play, giving them an 80.7 percent chance of winning.

 

The percentages for the first and last scenarios might not seem very high for Detroit, but that's because Seattle had two timeouts, leaving plenty of time for the Seahawks to respond (also assuming Detroit scores quickly in the last scenario). Ninety or more seconds is a virtual eternity in the modern two-minute drill.

 

Overall: The officials' missed call on the batted ball was a plus-.702 win probability added event, as we might say in the football analytics world. In other words, it swung each team's chances by about 70 percent. It's very rare that single events in football even approach that big of a swing.

The difference between the 80.7 percent chance following the hypothetical illegal batting penalty and the Lions' 10.5 percent chance following the touchback makes that missed call a 70.2 percent error.

 

That might not be as big as the "Fail Mary" call in the Green Bay-Seattle Monday night game three years ago, which was a clear-cut 100 percent swing, but it's close.

 

Jeebus.  Yes Lance, you can console him with your hard luck story of how to deal with being an idiot then using your faith and your job as VP at Bank of America to get you through.  

 

Can one person be more unlikeable?

 

 Don't say it.

So Easley was sitting in an acting class during the game last night? Guy keeps resetting the clock on his 15 minutes.   Failed call... I've got PTSD... let me write a book... acting classes should keep me relevant... I'll reach out to Gregory Wilson...

 

Kim Davis has nothing on this guy.

 

 

I heard Trump is tapping Easley as his Veep. He's trying to get some support in the Northwest.

 

Trying to get the LGBT vote too I guess.

Think about this. By all rights, DET should have won that game, sending SEA to 1-3, with their only win against CHI with their backup QB.

Seattle at Bengals next week. Think about that D and Seattles OL on the road. 

 

Would have been 1-4. Season pretty much in the can.  

I overheard this somewhere, but that missed call last night, will cost at least one team a playoff spot, and more than likely many jobs.  The difference between 2-2 and 1-3 is huge for the Hags, and 1-3 and 0-4 is game over for the Lions.  

The Lions weren't going to the playoffs this year anyway. The interesting point is who misses out if Seattle makes it in as, say, the sixth seed because of this victory? The team that gets bumped has a right to feel jobbed. While we don't know that the Lions would have won (even if they did get the ball on the 1 they might have found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory), but that blown call breathed life into the Hags. 

If the season ended today, the Vikes would be the 7th seed in the NFC. Of course, SEA would be on the outside looking in too.

 

 

Playoff picture.... AFTER 4 weeks

 

 

Possibly. But here's the thing. Detroit took that ball on that final drive and went 90 yards in 10 plays and only faced 3rd down twice. And one of those 3rd downs was Calvin's fumble. 

 

Point is, that isn't the same Seattle defense everyone has come to know and fear. That bloom is off the rose. 

Not really the same team, much less the defense. The trade for Jimmy Graham at this point looks about as shrewd as the move for Percy Harvin was.

 

While in Green Bay, John Schneider talked about how he would suggest trades, FA's, etc. to TT & TT would almost always say no. 

 

Starting to see the difference now. It's a lot tougher to win when you have to pay a QB more than $800K a year.

 

Now you know.....the rest of the story.

What your wrote makes me hope that if TT retires Schneider doesn't get his job. Almost rather have Elliot Wolf.

It's Eliot's job if he's willing to wait 3-5 years. I don't find it coincidental that Ron Wolf has settled in GB for his retirement. I could see he and Ted both as consultants to Eliot one day.

 

 

If Schneider learns from the dumb****tery it will make him a better GM but the Harvin/Graham trades don't bode well.

Schneider also benefits from the fact that Seattle is considered a "cool" destination

for FA's while GB is not. Ya gotta pay much more to get them to commit to northeast WI

 

TT knows he's the fat chick at the dance and he adjusts his roster-building accordingly

Packers lean towards serious football-only guys and there's a bit of god-squad sprinkled throughout the roster. That's what works in GB, while under Pete the Cheat they are much more willing to take on the self-centered ****heads like Lynch, Bennett, Harvin.

 

Different horses for different courses...

I couldn't agree more. And, I would hope Ted steps down if Eliot is offered a GM spot somewhere, so that he could jump in. Ted can always stay on as a consultant as well, just like Ron might, should Eliot get the job. It ought to be his.

 

 

What if Eliot gets offered a GM job 30 seconds after a win in SB L ? You want Ted to retire then?

 

Thompson is signed through 2018 I believe, so that is the earliest I would expect him to retire, unless he has a significant health issue. 

 

 

**** Eliot Wolf. He's shown less than Schneider, Dorsey, McKenzie, etc. so if he gets an offer, see ya! If he waits and goes through the protocols/interview process at the "proper" time and they deem him ready at that point, so be it, but it's rather early to hand him the keys with a resume of being Ron's son and kind of a douche when you have a successful GM already in place.

Kind of a douche? Why do you think that?

 

 

In some of his tweets and statements, he comes off like kind of an entitled douche.

 

That's not to say he might not be learning and even turn out to be a good GM down the road, but IMO he doesn't have the savvy and likely not the acumen at this point. 

Eliot Wolf is only 33 years old.  Ryan Pace is the youngest GM in the league at 36.  Second youngest are Ray Farmer with the Browns, and David Caldwell with the Jags (both 38).  Not exactly a list that gives you confidence in young GMs.....

 

I would be extremely shocked if he's offered a GM job before he's 40.  You just don't hand over the controls to an NFL franchise to a kid 10 years out of college.