Rodgers and McCarthy have never been buddies. Neither is leaving GB anytime soon and they both know that. Getting together and holding hands while singing Kumbaya ain't fixin' what's broke. Health, creativity, and execution will. They are hurtin' up front, stale and predictable in the play calling, and losing 1-on-1's on the perimeter.
Is it talking if their lips aren't moving? And a tittie twister isn't talking.
I don't think anyone can expect a kumbaya session with egos as large as any competent NFL QB and HC, much less MM and AR. But they have to more than tolerate each other, and they certainly have to believe in what the other guy is doing for there to be success -- and that ain't happenin' right now at 1265.
michiganjoe posted:Herschel posted:...Marty Schottencarthy....
I have noticed the resemblance. He's obviously not going anywhere but he needs to bring in some fresh ideas for his offense that has apparently gone stale.
Let me know when Schottenheimer won the Super Bowl.
I'll wait for your answer.....for a long time.
PackerRuss posted:I don't want the Pack to be a turnstyle coaching, that's not good for any team.
GB has had 2 head coaches in the last 15 years and only 4 in the last 24 years.
It is in no way a turnstile job. anyways, that "fear" or perception should not be the sole basis to stand pat
Music City posted:
It's a total organizational collapse. The players let the coaches down, the coaches let the players down, and the front office dropped the ball. After they get bounced from the payoffs, changes must be made.
Agreed. Unreasonable fans with unreasonable expectations should realize how fortunate they have it as fans of the Green Bay Packers.
Boris posted:michiganjoe posted:Herschel posted:...Marty Schottencarthy....
I have noticed the resemblance. He's obviously not going anywhere but he needs to bring in some fresh ideas for his offense that has apparently gone stale.
Let me know when Schottenheimer won the Super Bowl.
I'll wait for your answer.....for a long time.
McCarthy caught the right breaks once, both guys coached their teams to the playoffs and division crowns regularly. Is that good enough to have your team with a shot most years?
I thought Schottenheimer got a raw deal in San Diego.
There ain't no gleam in Green Bay right now.
Herschel posted:McCarthy caught the right breaks once, both guys coached their teams to the playoffs and division crowns regularly. Is that good enough to have your team with a shot most years?
I thought Schottenheimer got a raw deal in San Diego.
Ask Coughlin. Won 2 Super Bowls but Could not get to the playoffs most years. This place would have burned down if it was a Giants Forum.
WolfPack posted:PackerRuss posted:I don't want the Pack to be a turnstyle coaching, that's not good for any team.
GB has had 2 head coaches in the last 15 years and only 4 in the last 24 years.
It is in no way a turnstile job. anyways, that "fear" or perception should not be the sole basis to stand pat
I hear ya, and I'm not trying to make it sound like its a turnsytle. But to me, when you want to run a good coach out of town, how long does the next coach have until he's run out. 2, maybe 3 years? Improvement can and should always be expected. But there is a reason that the Steelers/Patriots/Packers have been vying for titles the last decade. 1) A great QB, 2) A great coach, 3) Very little knee jerk reactions to bad seasons. Just think our "bad" season is that we are a WC team.
PERSPECTIVE!
We had a similar history with MS and #4. Brett was about 26 or 27, as was AR when winning the SB. They won young, have tons of potential, then miss the SB during the prime of their QB's career.
I refuse to say this season is over, but next year must show big results, or it is time for a change - most likely at HC. AR has not played well either, but I gotta believe he still has 4 solid years ahead of him.
Coaches like players have a finite life-span. We have just witnessed the reluctant resignation of Tom Coughlin. Bill Parcells has been quoted that a good HC can be effective for about 10 years with the same organization. Sean Payton is rumored to want out of New Orleans. 10 years there. Probably he is gone from what we hear and to SF.
Mike McCarthy has been very successful with the Packers for...10 years. His tenure is bound to be ending sooner rather than later. And if it is ending, I'd prefer it to end sooner rather than later. Because as we have seen, the ending of a coaching career can some times drag on for several years before the employer or the employee decides a change is needed.
The Packers have 3-5 good years left for Aaron Rodgers. If McCarthy's era has begun that downside turn, then I hope Ted Thompson can make that tough choice before we have to endure more seasons of mediocrity and disappointing losses like in Seattle last January.
I am not saying McCarthy should be fired now. But at some point all good things come to an end. I hope he can turn around this plague of poor play. What a great story that would be.
Here's a thought to all those who think that we need (perhaps) to get rid of MM so we don't "waste" the remaining years of Rodgers. How about Rodgers playing better? How about Rodgers accepting the fact that he is the player, not the Coach, and needs to do what he is told.
There have been three losses this year where Rodgers had the ball inside the opposing 20 with the opportunity to win or tie the game with under a minute left---Carolina, Chicago, and Minnesota. He failed to throw a TD pass in the 12 chances he was given in those three games.
Was it MM's fault that Rodgers looked away from a wide-open Cobb in the end zone in Carolina? Was it MM's fault that Rodgers throw too far inside to Jones in th eendzone on 3rd down against Chicago, allowing the DB to swat away the ball? Was it MM's fault that Rodgers threw an interception in the end zone last night when a throw to the sidelines would likely have resulted in a TD?
There have been more throws this year that have been off target by the standards of accuracy Rodgers has displayed in the past (ie, the throw last night where Jones had his man beat down the sideline and Rodgers airmailed it out of bounds) More than occasionally this year he has passed up a check down for a few yards with a struggling offense by either holding the ball, or trying a throw downfield for a "chunk" play. Certainly the offensive "scheme" has left something to be desired---but the execution by Rodgers in that scheme hasn't been exactly stellar either.
Both MM and Rodgers share the blame why this offense has struggled this year--and I don't accept the thought that with a new coach Rodgers will suddenly blossom into what he has been. The constant subtle shots he takes at MM and his dissatisfaction with MM's playcalling are growing tiresome. Maybe he and MM need to rebuild their relationship (or not)---but Rodgers should worry more about "doing his job" and less about who gets to call the plays, what the plays called are, etc. We already lived through one QB who came to believe his own press clippings and did whatever he wanted on the field because he was "too good" to be coached.
Certainly MM has his faults---but Rodgers is responsible for the "wasting" of his last years as much as MM is.
Oh yeah, Vince Lombardi was in Green Bay from 1959 to 1968.
Good point SloMo. Brady and Bellichick have had their rocky moments too. And Bellichick's clock is almost up as well. Just the way it is. Time to move on catches up with everyone.
But as the HC, McCarthy needs to fix the situation. While Rodgers certainly has blown some good opportunities, it is incumbent on the head coach to remedy the trouble or else a change has to be made. And when the change is made, you can bet it won't be Aaron Rodgers moving on.
Mike needs a real OC. Somewhere out there someone with an eye for offense has been watching this grease fire all year and thought to themselves, Cobb, Jones, Abby, Janis, Adams, Lacy and the best QB in football and you're running Stone Age bull**** like this?
Theres a good offense in this group of guys minus Jordy and Ty. Just not enough smart offensive minds in GB to stick the ****ing key in the ignition.
Did Edgar, Clements, and AVP present fixes and Mike didn't listen? Or did none of those three have any ideas? I'm going to guess Clements thinks this is a bye week. If they gave Mike all kinds of fixes and Mike didn't listen? That's another thread
If it's the same WRs running the same routes in Washington and GB loses then those three should probably go away
Another good point. Philbin was a key part of the Packers success when he was there. Might be time to bring in some new juice.
Regarding all of Aaron's really bad throws. They all came after the bye. All of Aaron's bad play came after the bye. That pick last night may be nothing more of a reflection of Aaron getting beat to **** the last two weeks (13 sacks in two games. 13!!!) and his internal clock going way faster than it should have. Aaron's been sacked a lot after the bye.
Aaron's QB ratings from week 1 to the bye week. 141, 117, 139, 99, 83, 107. He never hit 100 after the bye. Those early defenses included Seattle, KC, and St Louis.
Why? What happened during that bye week? Where did things go to such levels of suck? I missed Ty as much as anyone but he can't be the lone reason. GB came out of that bye week and got taken to the woodshed by Denver.
Green Bay acquiesced to teams adopting Denvers blueprint. Why?
Actually, it started with the Rams game, when they played press and the offense only put up 17 points. As McGinn wrote after the game: "The Rams emphasized press-man coverage outside while almost always rushing just four." https://www.jsonline.com/sport...e-day-331923501.html
One TD against the Rams and the longest pass play came (65 yards) when the DB covering James Jones fell down on a crossing pattern; the other came when Ty Montgomery was left uncovered in the middle of the field for a 31 yard TD. Otherwise, Rodgers was 18/28 for 145 yards in that game.
The Broncos just perfected it, and it's been copied by everybody but the Cowboys.
Rodgers was 19 for 30 for 241 and would have been close to a 100 rating if not for Laurinaitis picking off a tipped ball. James Jones quit on a slant for the second.
Bob breaking news of the Rams running a defense that's ****ed Russel Wilson isn't Woodard and Bernstien. The Rams beat Russ twice this year with that coverage. It's kind of what they do.
ChilliJon posted:Green Bay acquiesced to teams adopting Denvers blueprint. Why?
"We do what we do."
To me the whole thing with offense is a perfect storm.
As previous posters said it all started when teams figured out you press the receivers and rush 4 and you will start knocking AR around.
Lacy has either been hurt or not motivated or maybe both? Starks? can be a nice change of pace but seems to have started fumbling.
With the exception of a few times how much have they gotten out of the TE position? and RR looks like he is running in wet cement.
The OL has at times been a mess with injuries and when you have people in and out it messes with timing and how they work as a unit. OL to me 5 guys playing as one and if you have guys in and out constantly it hurts them.
The WR's look like they quit on their routes. If they don't get open in their first or second moves they kind of just stand there. Sort of like a basketball team who stands around hoping the star player makes the play for them.
Now in my opinion the coaching staff does have plenty of blame to send their way. They seem to have been either not making adjustments and they aren't working or is it that they can't overcome the other things?
