Both sides instantly filed in different states in order to procure a probable victory. News this am is that the NFL will likely get the nod once the case is heard.
Regardless of the outcome, I think the real loser here has to be the legal system.
@jgolen: Patriots training camp just buzzed by airplane towing banner: "Cheaters Look Up."
@CharlesRobinson: Tomorrow, I expect the
#Patriots to have an antiaircraft gun.#NFL
This is interesting, sounds like the judge in MN, wasn't happy about the NFLPA judge shopping.
NFL did the same thing. They uphold the suspension then file within the hour in Manhattan to ensure the case is heard in a "favorable" location. Just a bad look for everyone involved. Including the courts.
IMO, at least the NFL filed in a court that is germane to the case. The NFL HQ are in NY. Everything in this case has been in NY, DC, or MA. To file in MN, makes no sense.
Considering that the deflation happened in Massachusetts, shouldn't the venue choice have been either MA or NY where the league is headquartered?
People go after Goodell instead of the legal system because he's easier to dislike as a public figure.
People go after Goodell instead of the legal system because he's easier to dislike as a public figure.
To hell with the courts/legal system!
As matter of fact, I'm sure they love it; generating all kinds of "court costs", which will be higher than typical so it can be expedited. Naturally.
Proper venue is basic to any court filings. An attorney certainly can't have his case dismissed because it's not the correct one.
I'm really surprised by the amount of people who think what Brady did is worse, as far as the NFL is concerned that is. I do think Brady deserves to be punished, but I don't think his crime tarnished the league at all. It's not like a slightly deflated ball decided the outcome of the game. It's cheating, but I would rather see a league full of guys who bend/break these kinds of rules vs. a league full of millionaire wife beaters. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. Greg Hardy doesn't deserve to play in the same league as guys like Aaron Rodgers and Randall Cobb.
While I don't condone violence against a wife, girl friend, domestic partner, complete stranger it has nothing to do with the game. What Brady did, just like a player betting on a game affects the outcome of the game. That is why and rightly so Goodell came down so hard on him. Throw in the lack of cooperation on Brady's and the Pats part in the investigation I think they are lucky they were only punished to the point they have been.
It's pretty simple. Justice against the wife beaters gets handed down by the courts. Justice against the football cheaters gets handed down by the football league. Not sure why that concept is so hard to understand.
Not hard at all to understand.
However, for Brady, he doesn't seem to get the word "implicated". If he did "nothing wrong" he should not have a thing to hide. Of course the QB Brady could be implicated in an NFL football game - but he would deny that too - in which case his contract could be ripped up. But he would sue over that too.
John Jastremski and James McNally could end all this right now. But they're still suspended. Stashed away and muzzled. Smart move not to fire them. You don't cheat for years and not learn the angles.
Kraft has come off looking like a boob. He demanded an apology. Then he accepted the punishment. Then for reasons I'll never understand he confessed he thought accepting punishment had a back door out clause.
I hate Goodell. He's horrible. But I think he gave Kraft every possible opportunity to make a ****ty mess his team caused go away. But the video scandal that's been hanging over this team made brokering a deal impossible. That's the cost of habitual cheating.
The Brady camp hasn't provided a damn thing that shows he did nothing wrong. They've only fired back after the NFL said "Sorry, he's guilty. No Soup" with obligitory "Outrageous" claims. They want to to focus on the process, procedure, and precident of punishment doled out by the league that was never collectively bargained. Because punishment for taking the air out of footballs just prior to a game should have been tabled for punishment discussion in 2011.
Tom Brady is a cheater. He tried to create an unfair advantage. The question isn't why is his suspension in line with domestic violence. IMO it's why his suspension isn't indefinite until he has the stones to admit what he did.
and The Vikings suck.
So two Viking fans managed to get into Lambeau for the shareholder meeting Tuesday. Full Viking gear. A Packer shareholder vouched for them at the door. That fan should be banned forever but his name might rhyme with Bavre. Whatever.
So the story was picked up by the Strib and run today because stories of Viking fans getting over on Lambeau is a victory story to be told.
Comment in the Strib story:
I was in a bar near Green Bay a few years back talking to one of the locals. When I told him I was from Minneapolis, he pulled the celephane off his pack of cigarettes and set it on the bar upside down and asked me what it was. He said it was the Vikings trophy case......it never stops.
And yes. The Vikings suck.
If I were John Jastremski or James McNally, I'd hold out for a better deal.
Money for nothing and chicks for free!
And speaking of Vikings suck.
I dont think nearly enough homage has been paid to October 24, 2010.
If Percy keeps both feet in bounds then Brett is 3-0 against the Packers. Childress doesn't dress down Brett after the game. Minny is tied for the division lead and Green Bay has a 3 game losing streak against Miami, Washington, and Favre.
But Percy didn't. Green Bay rolled off 4 impressive wins. Including a Viking beat down 3 weeks later. Childress got canned. Aaron won the SB MVP.
If that game went the other way then who knows. But that bowl was so loud that night after the game. Like the e brake on "it's going to be ok" was released. You could feel and hear it.
My 45 minute trip out of Lambeau that night will always be something I'll never forget.
I like the post....just try to stay on topic as this thread is about the Patriots.
Since the NFLPA is carrying the ball for Brady and it appears it will cost Brady zero dollars to per-sue his lawsuit, is there any NFL player with the balls to just tell Brady, "Shove it man!! Quit wasting our money going to court and accept your punishment!!"
Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:
It's pretty simple. Justice against the wife beaters gets handed down by the courts. Justice against the football cheaters gets handed down by the football league. Not sure why that concept is so hard to understand.
Because the NFL actually does punish the wife beaters?
This is where people get confused. In those cases the charge is for besmirching the saintly image of the NFL, not for the crime itself. You can debate all you want about whether that's within the league's rights and what those penalties should be. But it makes no sense to criticize the league for sanctioning players who were cheating at FOOTBALL.
Well, if that is what the charge is really for, I am sure the NFL is the last entity to want to let onto this dirty secret - and not saying I disagree (though unsure)!
At a real high level, I think it's plausible that the NFL punishes a Ray Rice because he did something bad - and that is some of the essence of justice.
If the above is 100% untrue, I would love Goodell to grab a microphone and tell the truth!
Just to clarify, we did not punish Ray Rice because he did something real bad except for one reason. We only care about our image. We did not punish him for any other reason.
Because every NFL contract has a personal conduct standard. According to this, "All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid 'conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League.' This requirement applies to players, coaches, other team employees, owners, game officials and all others privileged to work in the National Football League."
And notice it says "all persons," not just players. (It would be interesting to see how that is applied to some lowly desk jockey vs a star player.) Now, you could argue that wife beating doesn't hurt the "integrity of and public confidence" in the NFL and players shouldn't be subject to NFL discipline for that offense, but that horse left the barn a long time ago when they started handing down those suspensions. However, deflating footballs directly does bring into question the "integrity of and public confidence" in the NFL as it could directly affect the game.
And that's why the big deal about a couple pounds of hot air.
Even the two-game suspension, with the concomitant loss of income, was more than what Ray Rice got from the government.
But it's easier for people to get their righteous indignation on at Roger Goodell than it is to have a serious discussion about whether pre-trial diversion is worthwhile and whether the,victim should have the right to see her attacker lightly punished.
But it's easier for people to get their righteous indignation on at Roger Goodell than it is to have a serious discussion about whether pre-trial diversion is worthwhile and whether the,victim should have the right to see her attacker lightly punished.
Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:
This is where people get confused. In those cases the charge is for besmirching the saintly image of the NFL, not for the crime itself. You can debate all you want about whether that's within the league's rights and what those penalties should be. But it makes no sense to criticize the league for sanctioning players who were cheating at FOOTBALL.
I think Brady should have been punished, I'm not arguing that. I'm sure he cheated, it hasn't been proven, but I believe it to be true. If it comes down to it though, I will take Tom Brady over Ray Rice though and I'm sure most fans would as well. Yet one deserves a harsher punishment than the other in the eyes of the commissioner? Maybe Brady DOES deserve 4 games, but that should become the benchmark for suspensions. If circumstantial evidence and a lack of cooperation over a truly minor offense gets you 4 games, then a Ray Rice type incident deserves much more than that. I don't have faith that will be the case though.
Brady's infraction was on the job, Ray's was not.
Not weighing the morality of one over the other, but I can see an employer having a different point of view.
Am I the only one bored to **** by this whole thing?
Can it just be done so we don't have to hear about this ****-storm any more?
Has anyone mentioned that Tom Brady is a pussy?
Report: NFL’s Mike Kensil Source For Original Incorrect Deflategate Report
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by Mike Cole on Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 1:46PM
The whole Deflategate controversy stems from one report, and that one report keeps coming back to the same guy.
The report in question, of course, is from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen. The longtime reporter tweeted in the days following last season’s AFC Championship Game that 11 of the New England Patriots’ 12 footballs were 2 pounds below the NFL’s legal PSI threshold.
That report has been proven to be false, but that hasn’t stopped the NFL from coming down hard on the Patriots. All the while, Mortensen’s original tweet remains and the story hasn’t been pulled. Mortensen was set to go on WEEI Radio in Boston on Friday but backed out before joining “Dennis & Callahan.”
Mortensen likely was going to be grilled over the report, so WEEI radio host John Dennis one-upped Mortensen by “reporting” that Mortensen’s source for the 11 of 12 report was NFL vice president of game operations Mike Kensil.
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Kensil spent the better part of two decades with the Jets, where he worked with Bill Belichick. Kensil still was with the Jets when Belichick spurned New York in 2000 by resigning as head coach almost immediately after being hired. continue
I believe Belichick to be a persistent breaker of rules. It goes all the way back to the Giants superbowl vs the Bill for me.
Belichick wanted his players to use delay tactics. In between plays, when the umpire immediately spotted the ball, a Giants player was coached to “accidentally” kick the ball. This was designed to interrupt the flow and rhythm of the Bills attack. source
They did it on the last drive of the game and cost the Bills enough time to get another play where they could have been closer for the final kick. Point being Kensil knows exactly the kind of shenanigans Belichick likes to pull. I'm glad the league finally put the foot down on his bullchit.
Wait, Chris Mortensen was wrong about something? I thought that was his job.
Originally Posted by GBFanForLife:
Has anyone mentioned that Tom Brady is a pussy?
Not to his face.
I'm guessing Gisele may have mentioned it a time or two.
The Commish should tell Brady that he can play with a frisby if he thinks it would help him beat the Colts by a few more points.
Happy 38th birthday Cheater Brady. Hope you got some Nerf footballs for presents.
I'm no fan of Brady, but it's unfortunate those emails were released to the public. It's not like he's working from a government email account to which the public has a right to access.
I don't know, looks like he was advising Hilary on Al Qaeda.
The NFL should be embarrassed about this. Ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Goalline:
The NFL should be embarrassed about this. Ridiculous.
Yup.
They're looking like Inspector Clouseau these days, which is hilarious on so many levels 
But there has to be a reason that an image-conscious league focused on making money would drag their cash cow through the mud. I have zero doubt that the Patriots cheat repeatedly and with impunity - but I also have little confidence that the keystone cops are up to the job of catching them.
Just like The Inspector
The Mighty Green Bay Packers arrive in NE for a preseason game next week; the circus should be in full swing. And the stark contrast between how the the two clubs handle their affairs will be on display for all to see.