Henry posted:Draft some tackles and WR. Needs to happen if for competition sake only.
If by "tackles" you're referring to middle linebacker, then I agree.
michiganjoe posted:No indication the coaching staff believes that benching Adams would be beneficial to himself or the team. The talent is there and apparently they feel he needs to work his way through the rough patch and I would agree with that.
AJ Hawk is still trying to work through his second-year slump.
PackLandVA posted:Henry posted:Draft some tackles and WR. Needs to happen if for competition sake only.
If by "tackles" you're referring to middle linebacker, then I agree.
Bakhtiari is never going to be great, but may be "good enough", however, Bulaga can't handle speed these days and there's no viable backup at either spot.
Middle LB isn't going to do squat for a failing offense. Get WR in to "help" Dervante with his slump and Buluga is breaking down.
If they could get a legit LT and slide Bak to RT, great.
Henry posted:Draft some tackles and WR. Needs to happen if for competition sake only.
What's funny is I think this oline is actually better suited for run blocking with all the injuries. They just have to smack a guy in the mouth and not worry about footwork so much on tweaked knees and everything else. Just punch them in the mouth. Rodgers needs to get into a manager mindset.
Henry - I agree, but isn't Rodgers almost the perfect game manager type already? When was the last time Rodgers made a crucial mistake to lose a game? While he may look for the big play too much sometimes, he is very reluctant to take risks that might result in interceptions. In what's been considered a down year, he's thrown 5 interceptions.
1- a ball batted at the line of scrimmage against St. Louis.
2- a throw in which the CB jumped the short route that Jones ran (and on which the ball hit the ground)
3- the last play of the Carolina game where he clearly just tried to throw the ball in the air on 4th down.
4- an interception vs. the Bears where the consensus was that Adams ran a terrible route on a quick slant
5- the one truly bad throw against the Lions which still hit a leaping Jones in his hands.
That was sometimes an afternoon for Favre.
I don't disagree Hank. My comment was more "tongue in cheek" due to the vacuum of sucktitude the Packers have had at MLB for the better part of a decade. Every year they will have deficiencies that need to be addressed. And I agree OT and maybe WR fit the bill going into the 2016 draft. But I hate the fact that the only way TT has figured out MLB is to move his best pass rusher... which has effectively strengthened one area while weakening another. Just frustrating, that's all.
When I said Rodgers should manage the game, he needs to let the run game do the work right now. Too many times he was trying to make something happen that wasn't there in the pass game. I think that's the other failure of Clement, getting Rodgers to do the right thing instead of thinking he's going to shoulder the team. Rodgers needs to use his feet to compliment the run game and take what's available, which isn't much.
As many reasons as we have come up with to sit Adams, just imagine how dire the situation must be that we don't have a better option at #2 or even #3. That is how slow Jones is and how underdeveloped JA and JJ are. Monty may play soon but he's missed over half of his rookie season and all the time he needed for reps and timing with AR and the offense. He will help if healthy, but it seems pretty clear that the coaching staff believes their best option is to hope DA's light goes back on. Whether we like it or not.
I agree we need OL and WR next spring but TT will go with best value at the given selection so we may end up with 2 more CB's or 3 more TE's, a bunch of DL and an OLB. There are a lot of FA's on D this offseason so it will be really interesting come May.
DH13 posted:There are a lot of FA's on D this offseason so it will be really interesting come May.
Doubt it. Packers are never that interesting when it comes to free agency.
If he's injured then he needs to sit. If he's not injured then they need to work to get him on track. That means give him some easy completions to get in a rhythm. He's not loafing, if he's not running at 100% then it's because he can't. I think he's running at 100%, but the timing of the O has been terrible and he's struggled adjusting to that (leading to drops). Just like with Lacy, some of you are ready to pounce and jump to conclusions about the issue...if he struggles then he's probably a bum who needs to sit. Same thing happened with Mason Crosby. All players at all positions can slump, that's all it is. He needs confidence, right now his confidence looks shot and he can't do anything right. Again, unless he's truly not 100%, he's too talented to sit and that's not anything to do with his draft slot.
Why is he in there? Because there is no one else to put in there. Abbrederis was injured. Janis Rodgers doesn't trust/like/who knows. Can't have an offense with just Jones and Cobb. Might as well use 7 oline, Phatso, Starks, Rip and Kuhn.
Grave Digger posted:... He's not loafing, if he's not running at 100% then it's because he can't. I think he's running at 100%
Watch this video and tell me Adams isn't half-assing it. Sure as **** he was mailing it in on that play.
http://m.packers.com/news/vide...22-af40-6e87248451dc
Team was only driving in the 4th quarter in a nationally-televised division game to try and retake the lead.
I watched the play many times from the link provided. I can't help but wonder if Adams got confused by a Rodgers audible. He may have thought the pass was going to Rich Rod and he stopped his route think he would get an offensive pass interference call if he hit #31. The refs had been calling OPI against the Packers quite often this season.
PackLandVA posted:DH13 posted:There are a lot of FA's on D this offseason so it will be really interesting come May.
Doubt it. Packers are never that interesting when it comes to free agency.
No. I mean FA's on the GB D - and they aren't going to re-sign all of them. The DRAFT in May will be very interesting.
GB had two possessions starting at 4:07 left down 4. They ran 17 plays in those two possessions. They ran the ball once in those 17 plays. A 7 yard gain by Starks. After rolling up 170 yards on 27 carries for 6.5 yards per carry average (Rodgers had 33 yards on 4 scramble runs out of pass calls)
On the INT with Adams looking lost? Bears playing a soft 6 man box just dying for Lacy to shred them for 6. But Clements was having none of it. Repeatedly.
Im convinced that film is what sealed Clements fate as play caller. He kept trying to throw into coverage instead of running them out of it. No playcaller worth a **** does what he tried to do that night. Bad enough to look like his alliance was to Rodgers instead of the team.
I thought I noticed Adams last week looked like he wasn't giving full effort on a couple of plays, but it didn't look 'natural'. IOW, trying to play through an injury he shouldn't be.
Not for sure if I can say the same of the play linked above. Something--maybe a lot of things--didn't look right on that play. Judging by where ARod threw it, I'd guess Adams was primary on that play, but 82 was the open guy the way it developed.
In any case, I think the 'pick' went wrong; whether it's from a missed audible or an incorrect route by either receiver on that side, Adams shouldn't have had to re-direct his route. He may have been a dumbass, but I don't think he was half-assing it.
Adams was a Limited Participant today with his foot.
The receiver is not fast.
The receiver is not slow.
The receiver is half fast.
We are also talking about 1 play where he may or may not be going full speed which may be caused by injury or maybe just laziness. He should be benched to learn a lesson for 1 play and a few drops?
1 play? We are not talking about 1 play! I'm talking about every play except one: the TD against Detroit. Virtually every other play he looks like half a player. If you have the games taped, isolate on him and watch. It is clear and obvious. If you think he looks okay then I don't know what to tell you. And I'm not talking about dropping the ball. That could be called a "slump." This isn't a slump or a confidence issue. The guy cannot run a route or get open. How are you not seeing that?
If you really have to isolate one play, watch the failed 3rd down conversion against Dallas where AR had to throw it in the dirt. Watch AR glare him down afterward. That is a player who should not be on the field until he is better. He is useless in this condition.
ammo posted:I watched the play many times from the link provided. I can't help but wonder if Adams got confused by a Rodgers audible. He may have thought the pass was going to Rich Rod and he stopped his route think he would get an offensive pass interference call if he hit #31. The refs had been calling OPI against the Packers quite often this season.
that was my take on the play. I also think that the corner knew exactly where adams was supposed to cut. I thought that play spoke volumes about clements as a play caller. Defenses were able to figure him out so easily. I remember a quote from a Broncos defensive player who said they knew exactly what the packers were doing and the results of that game seemed to confirm it.
Pistol, I would like to rewatch the play you are referring to but don't want to watch the entire game to find it. Could you be more specific please?
If not for DaVante. Slocum would still be ST coach. Bostick would still be on the roster. Dallas would have lost to Seattle instead of GB. It's like everyone forgot Cobb and Adams carrying GB down the stretch and into the playoffs last year. Adams beat Dallas in the playoffs.
Adams is good. Very good. He's going to be good again.
I for one am not saying otherwise. This isn't about the future.
And it is not about the past either.
It is not even really about Adams! It's about the decision to start a player who is physically unable to perform. The doctors may have cleared him, but he clearly isn't ready.
BartManDude posted:Pistol, I would like to rewatch the play you are referring to but don't want to watch the entire game to find it. Could you be more specific please?
cuqui posted:
Grave Digger posted:... He's not loafing, if he's not running at 100% then it's because he can't. I think he's running at 100%Watch this video and tell me Adams isn't half-assing it. Sure as **** he was mailing it in on that play.
http://m.packers.com/news/vide...22-af40-6e87248451dc
Team was only driving in the 4th quarter in a nationally-televised division game to try and retake the lead.
That's the reference Bart. It was up a few posts.
I am just hoping it starts to click.
No he's asking about a play I referenced from the Dallas game.
Sorry Bart, can't pinpoint it. Fast forward until Rodgers purposely throws it in the dirt in the vicinity of Davante Adams on third down.
What Chillijon said. Adams doesn't belong on the field right now. Something's going on, whether it's injury or his head not being in the right place.
If he's injured then he should sit, I'm not disagreeing with you on that. He doesn't show the same explosiveness he showed last year, but I don't think it's due to lack of effort. I really think that Clements had the timing of this offense completely fukked up, it looked like a different team with McCarthy calling the plays. The impact of that isn't just Rodgers and the WRs being out of sync, it's everything from the timing of run plays, the blocking scheme, route development, etc. Everything in an NFL offense is predicated on each player being in a certain place at a certain time and if any one player is out of whack either because of poor play or because the D forces it, then it can throw everything else off. I think defenses had a good sense of the Packers gameplan/game flow under Clements and they were disrupting the whole offense. That trickles down to guys like Adams who are so green right now that they rely on that timing...he's only in year 2. It's not uncommon for 2nd year players to struggle.
Yeah it is definitely a double whammy on him right now.
Just re-watched the game. Pistol, I think I found the play but it was a 2nd and 10.
Looks like the CB is right where DA wants to run his route. Now if I was DA, I would probably try and push off a little and break outside for a catch close to the sideline. I'm not sure what AR is thinking even throwing that pass, he throws it to the inside right where DA was supposed to go but with the CB in the way, that isn't happening.
The ball is thrown to the inside and you can see DA was clearly not going that direction anymore.
Aaron gets up and immediately looks towards DA and certainly looks pissed. But he might also had thought that DA was held and was wondering where the flag was. The contact was clearly past 5 yards but was initiated by DA so I think it was a good non-call.
I don't know what Aaron expected Adams to do there, the original route was covered. I thought DA did the right thing, but what do I know? 
Regardless, DA looked like he was giving plenty of effort. He had just caught a 2nd and 7 sideline pass for a first down. I also saw a running play in the 3rd quarter where DA threw a key block for lacy, Troy even called DA out by name on that play for his great effort.
I don't know much, but as posted above, it seems that with clements this offense had no timing and with MM that timing seems to be back. The entire offense looked so much better this week than it has during the first 11 games.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Adams has a killer game against the Raiders this Sunday, he is running better, looking more healthy and the offense is starting to click again.
All of the receivers will look much better with MM calling plays IMHO.
EDIT--- Maybe AR wanted DA to run towards him on that play, it would explain the throw into the ground. Just a thought.
Not to channel a whining Queens fan, but due to GB's WR being played so much man this year, our WR's have been held ALOT. And as a result, they are not getting nearly as many holding calls as they should be. Against Dallas, I counted no less than 4 blatant jersey grabs that got zero calls. Expect more of the same unless the Refs finally start calling these.
thanks DH
I've thought the very same thing PackerBoi, our WR have been getting mugged this year regularly with the man coverage. I see it multiple times each game. I too hate whining about it, it's almost like what Seattle did their SB year, just keep mugging away and the refs can't call it because it would be a flag every single down. Sickening. Hopefully with the running game clicking and AR running when the defense has their backs to us, we'll be able to get defenses out of that man cover.
Thanks for chasing that down BARTMANDUDE. I think AR was pissed at the no call on the dB.
My pleasure Hungry.
One more thing I noticed re-watching the game
Troy says to Joe - "I'll let you describe that one"
That made me LOL
BartManDude posted:I wouldn't be surprised at all if Adams has a killer game against the Raiders this Sunday, he is running better, looking more healthy and the offense is starting to click again.
Sounds like Adams had an issue and was pulled from practice. Foot injury. It will be interesting to see what transpires with the available WR corps.