After last year's playoff performance, if they didn't consider trading him, it makes them unfit to run an NFL franchise.
@Pakrz posted:You didn't miss a damn thing... other than a few message board posters who completely made up a bunch of BS. Then of course, a few others have to chime in with more BS. Next thing you know, Rodgers was absolutely headed to Denver for a king's ransom but that SOB Murphy had to fuck it all up.
Sheesh. Pay attention R Man.
My bad lol
@D J posted:My point too was before Gary tore his ACL how were the Packers going to afford him after 2023? But guys like El-Ka-Bong can't understand any of this as we discuss the coming cap hell and seem to believe the Packers have some magical way of paying a healthy Gary in spite of the cap hell.
IOW, before he tore his ACL Gary was going to walk after the 2023 season because the Packers couldn't afford him.
We could have re-signed Adams, we could figure out a way to pay Gary
@Pakrz posted:You didn't miss a damn thing... other than a few message board posters who completely made up a bunch of BS. Then of course, a few others have to chime in with more BS. Next thing you know, Rodgers was absolutely headed to Denver for a king's ransom but that SOB Murphy had to fuck it all up.
Sheesh. Pay attention R Man.
Nope! I know a guy who lived in Denver. He said it was a done deal.
He heard it from a friend who….
@Packy posted:Adams wanted to move on.
Yes. He had no desire to stay in GB which maybe should have told us something. Waiting for his book to come out so I can get the audible version.
@Packy posted:Adams wanted to move on.
Yep.
But Davante only wanted to move on after the Pack refused to give him the contract he wanted in the summer of 2021 according to Jason Wilde of The Athletic (at the 15:00 minute of his radio broadcast today).
Former Packer Mark Tauscher agrees.
There is a reason Adams tweeted out about the last dance before the beginning of last season.
@Iowacheese posted:Heard it from a friend who…..
...heard it from a friend who, heard it from another....
@RochNyFan posted:...heard it from a friend who, heard it from another....
.....Murphy he was messing around.
If, if there were any deal discussions, it's most likely Rodgers was the one who nixed it when he committed to 3-4 more years.
So we are 4 days from the day that the rebuild HAD to begin. Are we just fucked now? Waited too long?
Oops, my bad. That's re-build, not rebuild.
No, no everything appears to be on course. Rome wasn't built (re-built?) in a day. We have signed Abrams from the Raiders dumpster heap and added Cotton to the practice squad. Our middle linebacker is hurt again but that's only because he wasn't game ready yet from coming off IR but who could have predicted he needed time to get up to game speed? Oh, and Stokes is looking ahead to next year which will be an exciting developing story line in the offseason.
@Shadow posted:Our middle linebacker is hurt again but that's only because he wasn't game ready yet from coming off IR but who could
Who is this "middle linebacker" ?
@GBFanForLife posted:Who is this "middle linebacker" ?
Barnes. Left middle
@Shadow posted:Barnes. Left middle
Linebacker Krys Barnes (concussion) is doubtful after not practicing this week.
@Shadow posted:Our middle linebacker is hurt again but that's only because he wasn't game ready yet from coming off IR but who could have predicted he needed time to get up to game speed?
So guys that have been playing regularly don't get concussions, only guys who come off IR with an unrelated injury. Got it.
Some players get old. Some players can get more money elsewhere. Some players retire. Some players regress. Some players get hurt. Some players get better. Some players get signed. Some players don’t fit the scheme.
Some teams have money to spend. Some teams don’t. Some teams change coaches. Some teams have better coaches. Some teams have social issues. Some teams have chemistry. Some teams have easy schedules and some don’t.
Every. Single. Team rebuilds in some fashion every practice, every day, every season.
The best teams have a solid core of players and coaches. They have resources that they use wisely. They are smart (and lucky) enough to plug and play.
The worst teams don’t have that core and constantly flail about trying to find the right mix and talent.
@PackerHawk posted:So we are 4 days from the day that the rebuild HAD to begin. Are we just fucked now? Waited too long?
Oops, my bad. That's re-build, not rebuild.
Franchise reconstruction projects always start in the middle of the season. It's 2022, however, so I am branding it "Re-imagining the Packers."
I tthought you were going to end your post by saying middle of the 2023 season.
Maybe a rebranding would be the way to go.
@PackLandVA posted:Maybe a rebranding would be the way to go.
They have been rebranded as losers.
They can change that tomorrow.
They is a strong word. Losers? Massive underachieving overpaid athletes
If it means getting rid of Turd Murphason, I’m all for it.
Re-building is for other franchises.
Still a mathematical chance to make the playoffs at 4-7 this season boys, keep the hope.
Gonna get a lot better in 2023 with a couple more of Gutey's top defensive picks arriving to be coached up by Joey B.
Yeah.. one more loss and it’s time for 12 to have thumb surgery.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/gameday/the-dynasty-that-wasnt-is-dead
"The boos were about the Packers’ performance, a putrid 27-17 loss, and so much more. The standings will suggest the Packers have a shot to emerge from the muddled middle of the NFC playoff race. The reality, of course, is something different.
“I don’t even know what to say,” coach Matt LaFleur said.
Where do the Packers go from here?
“Home,” Rodgers said.
Literally and figuratively, that’s true, because this season isn’t going anywhere.
The fan reaction wasn’t just about the frustration over what transpired on Thursday. Rather, it’s rooted in years upon years of frustration. When the Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010, the franchise’s future seemed impossibly bright. Rodgers was only 27 when he held the Lombardi Trophy on that magical night in suburban Dallas. The trophy not only was going back to Titletown but it was destined to stay there or, at least, come back another time or two.
Every year, the Packers have entered the season with a chance to win the Super Bowl. Every year, they found a way to not get it done.
This season started with the typical championship aspirations. The trade of Davante Adams meant new challenges on offense but new opportunities on defense. Maybe that would be the winning formula. A power-packed defense would win games until Rodgers and a revamped offense found its way.
Instead, the Packers are 4-7. The defense might be the biggest group of underachievers in the NFL. The Titans entered the night ranked 27th in scoring and 32nd in total offense but piled up 408 yards and scored four touchdowns on their first six possessions. The offense, which was supposed to be a work in progress, has made no progress at all. Last week’s victory over Dallas seems like one of those any-given-Sunday flukes that are standard in the NFL.
The Packers should have been a dynasty. Rodgers should be wearing at least a couple of those Super Bowl rings that adorn Tom Brady’s fingers. With a realization that time was running out on his 38-year-old, four-time MVP quarterback, general manager Brian Gutekunst pushed his chips to the middle, hoping to hit the jackpot this year. Instead, this season has gone bust.
Rodgers is playing like an old quarterback. LaFleur looks lost. Defensive coordinator Joe Barry looks to be in over his head. It’s impossible to discern what’s worse between the Packers’ place in the 2022 standings and their 2023 salary cap.
An era has ended. A 12th season in pursuit of another championship is going to end with the title residing somewhere other than Titletown. Thursday was bleak. The future doesn’t seem any brighter, a fact as plain as the icy breath from the mouths of the boo birds."
Okay Sports Illustrated, you're going to feel really dumb about that article when in 3 weeks we are still technically mathematically alive for the playoffs if we win our remaining games by a combined 3,000 points and a couple of NFC tie-breakers go our way.
The team was DOA the minute the season started. I don’t need to read an SI article 2 months later to figure that out.
We vastly overestimated the talent level on this team and underestimated how much roster turnover and injuries would impact performance week to week.
Coaching in all aspects has been abysmal. Even our HOF all world special teams hire has had some bad head scratching moments.
In a game that’s defined by toughness - this team has little to none either physically or mentally. You punch them in the mouth - literally or figuratively - and they fold. And it’s obvious the way they talk and play and act. Vrabel and Campbell knew this and hell Saleh even said it publicly! Yet nothing changes.
The biggest surprise to me, and maybe it shouldn’t be, is just how bad chemistry is and the the lack of true leadership on this team. It’s not just Rodgers, although he should deserve a fair amount of heat for being a selfish, myopic, insufferable prick that takes no accountability for anything and talks and acts like he’s still AR12 from 2011. Well done.
This squad reminds me a lot of the 2001-2002 Bucks. Coming off a really good previous year with aspirations of continued greatness. However, too much sniping and in fighting and no cohesion whatsoever. Players not on the same page at all, yet acted with an air of confidence and indifference at the same time. In the end, we know how that story ended and hopefully it’s not 15 years of misery coming up.
Against one of the bottom offenses in the league this defense gave up 27 points, the most the Titans scored all season. Yeah, but McStupid Face Part Deux still doesn't get it.
@Tschmack posted:The team was DOA the minute the season started. I don’t need to read an SI article 2 months later to figure that out.
We vastly overestimated the talent level on this team and underestimated how much roster turnover and injuries would impact performance week to week.
Coaching in all aspects has been abysmal. Even our HOF all world special teams hire has had some bad head scratching moments.
In a game that’s defined by toughness - this team has little to none either physically or mentally. You punch them in the mouth - literally or figuratively - and they fold. And it’s obvious the way they talk and play and act. Vrabel and Campbell knew this and hell Saleh even said it publicly! Yet nothing changes.
The biggest surprise to me, and maybe it shouldn’t be, is just how bad chemistry is and the the lack of true leadership on this team. It’s not just Rodgers, although he should deserve a fair amount of heat for being a selfish, myopic, insufferable prick that takes no accountability for anything and talks and acts like he’s still AR12 from 2011. Well done.
This squad reminds me a lot of the 2001-2002 Bucks. Coming off a really good previous year with aspirations of continued greatness. However, too much sniping and in fighting and no cohesion whatsoever. Players not on the same page at all, yet acted with an air of confidence and indifference at the same time. In the end, we know how that story ended and hopefully it’s not 15 years of misery coming up.
Good post! When your best players don't play up to their potential you can't win. So far this season arguably 5 of our 6 best players; AR, Bak., Jenkins, Clark, and Alexander have not played up to their former pro bowl level. Jones is the only guy who has played up to his potential. In retrospect, the game at Detroit last season spoke to the lack of pride / toughness / leadership.
@D J posted:Against one of the bottom offenses in the league this defense gave up 27 points, the most the Titans scored all season. Yeah, but McStupid Face Part Deux still doesn't get it.
@Tschmack posted:The team was DOA the minute the season started. I don’t need to read an SI article 2 months later to figure that out.
We vastly overestimated the talent level on this team and underestimated how much roster turnover and injuries would impact performance week to week.
Coaching in all aspects has been abysmal. Even our HOF all world special teams hire has had some bad head scratching moments.
In a game that’s defined by toughness - this team has little to none either physically or mentally. You punch them in the mouth - literally or figuratively - and they fold. And it’s obvious the way they talk and play and act. Vrabel and Campbell knew this and hell Saleh even said it publicly! Yet nothing changes.
The biggest surprise to me, and maybe it shouldn’t be, is just how bad chemistry is and the the lack of true leadership on this team. It’s not just Rodgers, although he should deserve a fair amount of heat for being a selfish, myopic, insufferable prick that takes no accountability for anything and talks and acts like he’s still AR12 from 2011. Well done.
This squad reminds me a lot of the 2001-2002 Bucks. Coming off a really good previous year with aspirations of continued greatness. However, too much sniping and in fighting and no cohesion whatsoever. Players not on the same page at all, yet acted with an air of confidence and indifference at the same time. In the end, we know how that story ended and hopefully it’s not 15 years of misery coming up.
At least when the Packers traded D. Adams they got some future building blocks from it (Quay Walker and a contribution to the Christian Watson pick).
The Bucks traded a future HOFer who wanted to stay in Milwaukee for a few dozen games of washed up Gary Payton and a just-another-guy type in Desmond Mason.
@Tschmack posted:The team was DOA the minute the season started. I don’t need to read an SI article 2 months later to figure that out.
In a game that’s defined by toughness - this team has little to none either physically or mentally. You punch them in the mouth - literally or figuratively - and they fold. And it’s obvious the way they talk and play and act. Vrabel and Campbell knew this and hell Saleh even said it publicly! Yet nothing changes.
Say what you want about Vic Ketchman, but he would drop little comments and some "read between the lines" in his post-Packers blog about the Packers lack of toughness. One such comment came about when a reader asked about why no matter how much GB invests in their D, they always come up short or lack toughness.
His theory was that offense/finesse has been the identity of the organization for so long that it's nearly impossible to change it without a complete house cleaning and prioritizing defense and running game first. IIRC, one of his last comments about MLF was he was a coach that has to win by pencil-whipping you and not by out physicaling you. He also believed that any scheme heavy team at some point has to man up and win their 1-on-1's in crunch time. The best teams could do that.
There was some good stuff on his site but he shut it all down after he called it quits.