Trade deadline

Gives us an extra day to Get S-Jax or D-Ang

@adbrandt
For those asking about potential trade of DeAngelo Williams, Panthers would have to accelerate $9.6M on already-bloated 2013 Cap.


Ouch!

To get them for what? To ask if you can have S-Jax's jersey?

@gregaiello
NFL clubs were just informed trading deadline is being moved from Tues to Thurs 4 pm ET...same 4 start of waivers for vested vets.

Paging Joe Thomas!

Trade Crosby for Billy Cundiff.

Titans Jared Cook request trade

Swap Finley for this guy straight up. Clear some money off the cap so Ted can get a nice fat bonus and see if he is actually an underachiever or if the Titans just didn't know how to use him.

Jared doesn't have the perceived athletic ability of J-Mike but at least he won't drop the ball

Plus I'm very curious to hear what kind of verbal diarrhea comes out of Finley's mouth concerning his time in GB once he's gone. It's going to be hilarious.

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Originally posted by missingU92:
Paging Joe Thomas!

These Joe Thomas references never, ever get old. Genuine knee slappers each and every time!!!!

Levi Brown has better feet, but he is on IR so that's not an option.

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These Joe Thomas references never, ever get old.

Actually, they do.

Finley

for

MANGOLD

If Rex needs a sweetner throw in Harrell for Teblow

Not certain if you're serious or not, but hasn't Mangold's skills kinda dropped of this season? Maybe his sister is available. She can lift a truck! And she'd be a load to move.

I was not serious but are you serious about rather having Saturday than Mangold?

I would gladly start Saturday on Tuesday for a real Center on Sunday.

Someone mentioned Chris Ivory in another thread, which is interesting. He's a pretty good back. But how would a team deal with the Saints since Loomis is still suspended?

Trade Aaron Rodgers to Miami for Reggie Bush and Carlos Dansby.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Jared doesn't have the perceived athletic ability of J-Mike but at least he won't drop the ball

Jared Cook ran a 4.49 at the combine. Finley ran a 4.82, and that was before he tore up his knee.

The perception of Finley being some kind of athletic wonder couldn't be further from the truth. Rodgers makes a lot of receivers look more athletic than they really are.

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Originally posted by Tobin Rote:
The perception of Finley being some kind of athletic wonder couldn't be further from the truth. Rodgers makes a lot of receivers look more athletic than they really are.

I think you're mistaking straight line speed for athleticism. What got everyone excited was his acceleration, his body control and his hands. He also played faster than he timed. He showed, up until his knee injury, that he had the speed to get behind defenses, the awareness to find the soft spot in coverage, the ability to out-jump defenders, and the hands to reign in tough passes. So no the perception of him was not wrong, he was a freak athlete for a TE. I think knee injury has taken him down a lot.

I think the attitude is the biggest problem. The knee is an excuse.

Ding ding ding!

Very true GB.

@NFL_ATL
Mike Munchak not interested in trading Jared Cook

No doubt it's Finley's attitude. Can't find a link but there was a quote after his rehab that he was going to be careful playing. The quote was something to the effect "You won't see me in a pile anymore digging for a loose ball". That translates to effort in other areas.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:

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Originally posted by Tobin Rote:
The perception of Finley being some kind of athletic wonder couldn't be further from the truth. Rodgers makes a lot of receivers look more athletic than they really are.

I think you're mistaking straight line speed for athleticism. What got everyone excited was his acceleration, his body control and his hands. He also played faster than he timed. He showed, up until his knee injury, that he had the speed to get behind defenses, the awareness to find the soft spot in coverage, the ability to out-jump defenders, and the hands to reign in tough passes. So no the perception of him was not wrong, he was a freak athlete for a TE. I think knee injury has taken him down a lot.

No, I'm taking everything into account: size, speed, quickness, and leaping ability. Finley is a good athlete, but was never anything special like many on this board made him out to be. Finley has been fortunate to play in one of the most explosive offenses ever assembled. For years the team has been 4 or 5 deep at wide receiver. That certainly opens things up for Finley down the middle. Then when you consider that he's had #12 throwing him pin point accuracy passes, it's clear that his #s have been inflated.

I can think of atleast 7 TE's that are better athletes than Finley ever was: Rob Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham, Vernon Davis, Jared Cook, Jermaine Gresham, Coby Fleener, and Jordan Cameron. Then there are plenty of other TE's who are at least in the same ballpark athletically to Finley: Martellus Bennett, Brandon Pettigrew, Kyle Rudolph, Greg Olsen, Scott Chandler, Fred Davis, Marcedes Lewis, Kellen Davis, Aaron Hernandez, Dustin Keller, Lance Kendricks, Ben Watson, and probably some others that I'm forgetting.

Finley the "post injury" is not close athletically to Finley "pre injury" ...go back & look at some of his highlights before his injury. He was as athletic as any TE in the game. he now looks like a Bubba Franks that can't catch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWzc-PnvUE

I'll give you that VDavis, Cook, and Keller are/were better athletes, but none of the other guys you mentioned are better athletes. Most of them equally good, some more athletic in a different way, but not overall just purely better athletes. I think you're discounting his athleticism because you don't like him as a person and/or as a player. I am in the same boat, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a phenomenal athlete. Guys like Gronkowski and Olsen (among others) are much better TEs, but they're not necessarily better athletes than Finley. They're elite athletes in a different way, but Finley had absolutely no ceiling for how good he could have been. The difference between a lot of those players and Finley is up-stairs.

Go watch the Cardinals playoff game in '09 if you want to see what kind of athlete Finley was. No average TE could have carved up a defense like that. Period.

...watch this: highlights from 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWzc-PnvUE

I've seen every Packer game for the last 5 years, I remember the Cardinal game well. The difference between now and then is that he could catch the damn ball. He may have lost a step, but he was never a burner to begin with. If you watch the video FLPacker posted, most of those highlights were of him wide open against zone coverage. Look at the other highlights of him against man to man coverage, he didn't get much separation but he would come down with the ball. That's not the case anymore, if he gets breathed on he drops the ball.

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Originally posted by FLPACKER:
...watch this: highlights from 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWzc-PnvUE

Thanks, this just ruined my Tuesday.

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Originally posted by Tobin Rote:
I've seen every Packer game for the last 5 years, I remember the Cardinal game well. The difference between now and then is that he could catch the damn ball. He may have lost a step, but he was never a burner to begin with. If you watch the video FLPacker posted, most of those highlights were of him wide open against zone coverage. Look at the other highlights of him against man to man coverage, he didn't get much separation but he would come down with the ball. That's not the case anymore, if he gets breathed on he drops the ball.

...looks to me like he could: 1) Jump 2) accelerate 3) Keep his balance after catching the ball 4) and catch the ball....none of which he does now. Heck we even lined him up at wide out alot then, which speaks to his athleticism.

But no one is claiming he's still that player Tobin. I don't like the guy personally and I can't wait for him to get gone, but I'm not going to act like he never had tremendous potential at one time. That's the frustrating thing. That player that shredded Arizona, haven't seen him since. And you're right, he was often open in those highlights, but that was the point. It was not that the defense just kept forgetting he was gone, he found the soft spot and attacked it. He had the speed to get there, the awareness to get to the right spot, and the hands to reel it in.

It's not like he was getting separation against corners, he was winning jump balls. Most TEs in the NFL win jump balls against corners.

He can still jump, but we don't see the jump balls as often because McCarthy and Rodgers don't have faith that he'll come down with it anymore.

I wouldn't say MOST TEs can. Just because you're tall doesn't mean you can win a jump ball. It takes a degree of body control and hand-eye coordination that not every TE has. Did you see that jump ball he won in that wild game against Pittsburgh in '09? Try and tell me MOST TEs in the NFL could do that. Many could do it, but not most. I'm not saying he was unique or some rare talent, but he had tremendous ability.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
But no one is claiming he's still that player Tobin. I don't like the guy personally and I can't wait for him to get gone, but I'm not going to act like he never had tremendous potential at one time. That's the frustrating thing. That player that shredded Arizona, haven't seen him since. And you're right, he was often open in those highlights, but that was the point. It was not that the defense just kept forgetting he was gone, he found the soft spot and attacked it. He had the speed to get there, the awareness to get to the right spot, and the hands to reel it in.

The point we're disagreeing on is the degree to which Finley has declined. You're saying that he has declined in every facet of the game. I'm saying that his athleticism is probably still there, but because he's unable to catch the ball anymore, he's not getting the opportunities to show it like he used to. You might be right that he has lost a stop. Honestly I can't say one way or the other, because half the time the ball gets thrown to him, he drops it. It looks to me like he's still getting open against zone though.

I used to think he had tremendous potential too, but it was because of his hands. Yes he had good athleticism, but that's not what made him great. He used to make circus catches routinely against smothering coverage. He used to be Rodger's safety net, because he would catch the ball even if he was covered.

I'll buy that. I do think it was the combination of his athleticism and his hands that defined his talent and potential, but I think you're right on the other counts.

Cobb should have at least 10 touches a game. finley cuts into that total so he's worse than bad. He's killing us.