Any news on the extent of his injury?
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He looked like he was holding his right hand or wrist. Can a DB play if either of those are broken?
A wrist and I gotta believe he'd be done for the year. Hopefully it's nothing too serious.
Collinsworth and Michaels were talking about his hand, but to me it looked like he got popped on the shoulder. I hope it is just a mild bruise and not something serious.
According to ESPN, it's his shoulder. Nothing further yet.
doesn't look good but I think the Pack can make it through the next 3 weeks, OK without him.. hoping that's all he needs.
quote:Originally posted by Point Brewmaster:
Collinsworth and Michaels were talking about his hand, but to me it looked like he got popped on the shoulder. I hope it is just a mild bruise and not something serious.
at the time and even the radio after was more worried about his leg.. not sure what we seen.
It's an elbow if you guys watched the same play I watched.
Why hasn't anyone asked about it in the presser???
Opening statement from MM is a "shoulder injury and I have nothing further to report".
Could mean anything from it's fallen off to a stinger and he's ok.
Assuming MRI is on Friday. May or may not hear anything tomorrow.
Collins is reportedly ok. Wrist bruise and came back.
No other injuries to report per MM.
Could mean anything from it's fallen off to a stinger and he's ok.
Assuming MRI is on Friday. May or may not hear anything tomorrow.
Collins is reportedly ok. Wrist bruise and came back.
No other injuries to report per MM.
I'm watching NFL Network and they cut in after it already started. Thanks for the update.
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
It's an elbow if you guys watched the same play I watched.
I was thinking hyperextended elbow or torn rotator cuff.
I hope he is ok. His importance cannot be understated.
The shoulder is a whole lot more flexible than the elbow I thought I saw injured. After last year's injury hell, this only raises my optimism by about 5%.
Have to give Bush credit on the EZ coverage the 1st play after Tramon went out. He had pretty good coverage.
He also got fuc*** on that punt return coverage. He caught that ball perfectly IMO.
He also got fuc*** on that punt return coverage. He caught that ball perfectly IMO.
Bush had knees on the ground, and clear possession at the one, well before any part of his leg started extending into the endzone. He got screwed, but then again, the refs tonite specialized in screwing up the calls.
The officials said that no part of the body can slide into the endzone, even if you have control and your knees are down.
Yeah, that's convenient. How can that be a touchback? But if you are advancing the ball the BALL has to cross the goalline. You can't score a TD with just your feet if the ball is at the 1. If that's the rule, it needs to be changed. Immediately.
Basically what they're saying is, we're making up the rules as we go. We don't want Green bay winning 2 in a row. It's bad for the league.
Expect this kind of crap all season long. The "PI" by AJ Hawk was complete crap. He never touched Sproles at all.
The Packers are going to have to play perfect football to win every week.
Basically what they're saying is, we're making up the rules as we go. We don't want Green bay winning 2 in a row. It's bad for the league.
Expect this kind of crap all season long. The "PI" by AJ Hawk was complete crap. He never touched Sproles at all.
The Packers are going to have to play perfect football to win every week.
Possession with a knee down means the play is dead at that point. The same holds true for every other play on the field, why would it be different on a punt?
I don't care if he rolls into the endzone, or jumps up, strips his clothes off, and does the Macarena after. It should have been Saints ball at the 1.
If it is a rule, it's about as stupid as the one stating after you catch the ball in the endzone, you have to get up with the ball in your possession. If you're sitting on your ass, with the ball in your hands, and you flip the ball away, it's an incomplete pass.
The NFL is being run by "morans". First they're trying to get rid of the kickoff, what's next?
I don't care if he rolls into the endzone, or jumps up, strips his clothes off, and does the Macarena after. It should have been Saints ball at the 1.
If it is a rule, it's about as stupid as the one stating after you catch the ball in the endzone, you have to get up with the ball in your possession. If you're sitting on your ass, with the ball in your hands, and you flip the ball away, it's an incomplete pass.
The NFL is being run by "morans". First they're trying to get rid of the kickoff, what's next?
BS call on Hawk for sure. But to say the Pack will have to play perfect football to win every week is just goofy.. The schedule is very favorable to begin with if they stay mostly healthy. Why would the refs be out to get us? Is this wwf or gouldeee trying to find more monies.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
Expect this kind of crap all season long. The "PI" by AJ Hawk was complete crap. He never touched Sproles at all.
Even if he did touch Sproles it was after he touched the ball. How in the hell can you call that with the game on the line. Just an absolutely terrible call.
Larry Mc Carren was on and said tramon was walking around locker room like a guy who shoulder is sore and hurts. but it was not bandaged or in a sling so take that for what it is worth
If it's just a deep bruise and soreness, then thank God for that! We're due for a break on the injury front.
Thanks, Slobknocker. I feel a little better.
Thanks, Slobknocker. I feel a little better.
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Packers' Tramon Williams in post-game pain
September, 9, 2011
Sep 912:53AM ETEmailPrintComments32By Kevin Seifert
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- I just returned from the Green Bay Packers locker room to see that many of you are looking for an update on cornerback Tramon Williams, who departed the game late in the fourth quarter with a right shoulder injury.
WilliamsCoach Mike McCarthy didn't have much new information on the injury, and Williams said that the team's medical staff didn't give him a final diagnosis. But it's worth noting that Williams was walking in the locker room in the same pose he left the field in: Slowly, gingerly and with his left hand holding his right arm in place.
There's no sense speculating on what type of injury Williams has and how serious it might be. All we can say is that he was in significant pain when he left the field and that pain hadn't subsided by the time he got to the locker room. As always, stay tuned.
Eleven days until Carolina. TW can sit that one out. Then, on to Chicago. Hopefully, he'll be back by then.
Eleven days. I hadn't thought about that.
Too long to wait for more Packer football.
Too long to wait for more Packer football.
That was just a nasty hit all the way around.
On the first replay, I thought he likely had a leg injury; it sure looked like his right leg got bent awkwardly. On the second and subsequent replays, you could see the hit on hir arm/shoulder.
Shake it off, Tramon! You're a World Champion!
On the first replay, I thought he likely had a leg injury; it sure looked like his right leg got bent awkwardly. On the second and subsequent replays, you could see the hit on hir arm/shoulder.
Shake it off, Tramon! You're a World Champion!
If he has to miss a week, that's fine. Just NO season ending injuries please. Lost Grant last year in week 1, dont want to lose another contributor on week 1 AGAIN
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
Yeah, that's convenient. How can that be a touchback? But if you are advancing the ball the BALL has to cross the goalline. You can't score a TD with just your feet if the ball is at the 1. If that's the rule, it needs to be changed. Immediately.
Basically what they're saying is, we're making up the rules as we go. We don't want Green bay winning 2 in a row. It's bad for the league.
It is the rule:
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If a member of the kicking team attempting to down the ball on or inside opponent’s 5-yard line carries the ball into the end zone, it is a touchback.
As the commentators mentioned AFTER a commercial break, this is a "continuing action" play. It is no different than had he kept he feet, caught the ball in mid-air, and then his momentum carried him into the end zone...That would also be a touchback.
The call was correct.
It was still a nice effort by Bush, who has developed into one of the best ST's players in the NFL.
quote:Originally posted by hntr74:
seen.
saw
That's absurd. So if he had the ball in his hands, and his ass was on the ground, and as he got up to run back he accidentally stepped on the line, though he clearly had possession and was down outside the endzone, it would still be a touchback.
The NFL is frackin' retarded.
The NFL is frackin' retarded.
quote:Originally posted by Slobknocker:
Larry Mc Carren was on and said tramon was walking around locker room like a guy who shoulder is sore and hurts. but it was not bandaged or in a sling so take that for what it is worth
That he was still in the locker room after the game is some good news. He was examined by the team doctor shortly after it happened and didn't get sent to the hospital so they must have figured it wasn't too serious. (I hope)
Sort of funny that last season everybody was worried about Tramon getting hurt on punt returns, so they take that away and he gets hurt the 1st game.
quote:If a member of the kicking team attempting to down the ball on or inside opponent’s 5-yard line carries the ball into the end zone, it is a touchback.
Yeah, he really carried the ball into the endzone. He caught the ball on the one with his knee downing the ball. What you posted is just the NFL's way of saying, we make up **** as we go.
quote:Yeah, he really carried the ball into the endzone.
The rule might read "carry", but every interpretation I've seen in actual games (not just last night) is that if any part of the body of the person downing the ball goes into the end zone, it's a touchback. Remember too that if you go into the end zone you have to re-establish yourself in the field of play or else it's a touchback.
Considering the way the current refs interpret the rules that are subject to interpretation (pass interference), do we really want more rules open to interpretation?
yea,i thought the call on Bush was correct. It was almost great but none of body can touch the endzone and it did.