Tramon's Injury **Per MM: A shoulder bruise**

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Originally posted by RonJr:

It is the rule:
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If a member of the kicking team attempting to down the ball on or inside opponent’s 5-yard line carries the ball into the end zone, it is a touchback.

Re-watch the play. When did the ball cross the line? Answer: Never.

The "rule" (and I use the term loosely) needs to be changed.

Hope Tramons arm is ok.

Boris, you and I are in complete agreement.

Seriously, the rule is absurd. Any other play is over a.) when the ref blows the whistle, b.) when a player with possession goes out of bounds, c.) a player with possession has their knee touch the ground (and has been touched by the other team).

Why is this play different??

Bush clearly had possession. The ball was not moving around in his arms. It was clear possession. He was down. I watched the game again last night in bed, and watched that play. At that point, if the ref were on the ball, the whistle would have been blown. But because part of his leg crossed the goal line after possession was clearly established...it's a touchback?

Bull crap.

IMO, the touchback rule is fine. The ball needs to cross the EZ for a TD. That's a totally different rule. To down a punt inside the 5 you can't be in the EZ at any point. This is nothing new and has happened plenty of times before. If it were reversed and the Packers got the ball on the 20 no one would have a problem with this.

It's hard enough to run down there at full speed while locating the ball, slowing down, and catching it.

Now, if the guy runs into the endzone, comes back in and then catches it, then I have no problem with it being called a touch back.

It makes sense to me as a continuation play. I can live with it.

Beavis Beavis

From Silverstein:

Cornerback Tramon Williams' shoulder injury could be troublesome. When I got to the locker room, he was sitting at his locker, still in his pants and not moving much at all. I asked him how he's doing and all he said was, "I'm good." We'll know more tomorrow, but it's obvious the guy was in pain. It's too early to assume the injury is serious. Shoulder injuries hurt a lot. If he's out an extended period of time, it will affect the defense, however

Collerbone??

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Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Collerbone??

Doubtful. Because a fractured collarbone would have surely landed Tramon in a sling which trainers didn't put him in and no doubt he was x-rayed right at Lambeau. When Woodson broke his, he was placed right into the sling and his injury was obvious and reported right away.

In the lockeroom, Williams didn't have any kind of sling or splint on.

Hope it's not a serious injury. If Williams is out Shields steps up to starter, then Bush or Lee or who (?) steps into the Nickle spot. Short term we could be OK like that, but long term, ouch.

1 month until they play ATL. Maybe he could rest it until then? Is anyone really concerned with the offenses of CAR, CHI, & DEN keeping up with AR and crew?

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
1 month until they play ATL. Maybe he could rest it until then? Is anyone really concerned with the offenses of CAR, CHI, & DEN keeping up with AR and crew?

Hungry, did I miss something? Has there even been any diagnosis or comment from the team?

No. All speculation at this point. MM is having a PC at three, so there should be more info forthcoming.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that....

after last season, i forgot non-season-ending injuries even existed. Hopefully it's only a few weeks.

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Originally posted by atticus:
MM is having a PC at three, so there should be more info forthcoming.

You abbreviated Mike McCarthy and press conference, but wrote out 3?

Tramon has a "shoulder bruise"... further information on Wednesday.

McCarthy said Tramon has a shoulder bruise. He'll have another update on Wednesday

He did get x-rays, etc and things looked good. A positive report this morning on Tramon, says McCarthy

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"He's been looked at and they did classify it as a bruise. " Sigh of relief? "No doubt about it."

Tramons wife tweeted "He's ok" (whatever that means)

MM's exact words "a pawsitive report" on Tramon.

Wheeewwwwwwwwww.

Said it's likely Williams will stay in GB and rehab here over the weekend.

The problem is all these "bruises" in Green Bay normally turn out to be extended weeks missed.

If he has to miss a week or 2, thats fine. I just don't want to see any of those dreaded season enders. They play the Panthers next week. Wouldn't mind having Tramon sit that one out if need be

That would seem encouraging, except that it's coming from McCarthy

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Originally posted by CAPackfan:
McCarthy said Tramon has a shoulder bruise. He'll have another update on Wednesday

He did get x-rays, etc and things looked good. A positive report this morning on Tramon, says McCarthy

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"He's been looked at and they did classify it as a bruise. " Sigh of relief? "No doubt about it."

huge relief...i put TW at #3 of people this team can not lose and still be SB bound.

2 weeks, 4 weeks, 10 weeks. I don't really care as long as it doesn't end his season. gotta have Tramontana for the playoffs

I'd been worried sick about his all day-----looks like good news! A couple 3 weeks out won't kill us.

You been worried about 'his' what all day?

And, what is a couple 3 weeks - 6?

Please 'splain it to me!!

If he sit's out Carolina, that's 16 days off to rehab and heal. So even with just one game, he'll get 2+ weeks to heal up.

Great news. I've been worrying about this too. Glad to hear he is OK. I say keep him out of the Carolina game as a precaution. No need to rush him back until he is fully healed.

I'm not putting too much faith into the information MM provided. He classifies damn near everything as a bruise. Mike Neal had a bruised knee almost a month ago it seems.

Tramon could still be out for quite a long time...

he seemed pretty relaxed to be withholding anything THAT important.

William’s wife said he is ok,I put a little more faith in that then MM's "he has a bruise" statement. Not that I want MM to give away to much.
I am happy the Packers did not have a bunch of injuries in that game. I am hoping that they stay relatively injury free for no other reason it gives them a chance to coach up their young guys. With no OTA’s a lot of development will have to happen during the season.

knotsyjoo's sidekick saying it's a bruise is great news!

My list, in order, of players we can't lose:
1) Aaron Rodgers - Cherish your time watching Rodgers play, he's as good as i've ever seen.
2) Charles Woodson - Does more for his defense than other defender in the league.
3) Clay Matthews - Without him, who rushes the passer?
4) BJ Raji - Sorry Diggr, it's true. Raji is that good. Pack gets run on in the nickel but not in their base. Saints couldn't move Raji last night, which is why they couldn't convert 3rd/4th and 1's (against pro bowl guards to).
5) Greg Jennings - He's Rodgers go-to guy. Him and Rodgers practically share the same brain on the field. Those back shoulder passes are a thing of beauty.
6) Tramon Williams - Best cover guy in the secondary. Allows Woodson to be Woodson.
7) Josh Sitton - Best G in the league.
8) Nick Collins - Very underrated by fans.
9) Hawk - Bishop is a better player but Hawk leads that defense. That part of his job is very underrated by fans.
10) Rest of OL - I think the line could handle 1 injury (not including Sitton). I don't think 1 is more valuable than another though. Losing Wells or Lang hurts as much as losing Clifton or Bulaga, IMO.

If these ten guys are healthy at the end of the year, this team will be tough to beat. IMO, they can handle injuries everywhere else (unless the sheer number becomes overwhelming).

Rodger makes me say wow a lot. Farve before it all went to his head was as impressive as Rodgers. Watching some of the old game from the 1960's Starr was also great.The difference for me between Farve and Rodgers are all the years between Starr and Farve. Yup sit back and enjoy it, I do nothing think it is possible for the Packers to Find three great QB in a row.

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Originally posted by CitizenDan:

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Originally posted by atticus:
MM is having a PC at three, so there should be more info forthcoming.

You abbreviated Mike McCarthy and press conference, but wrote out 3?

integer phobia

If Woodson is NOT suspended, we could afford to give Tramon the week off. We face the Panthers in week 2 and they are run based offense.

Put Woodson back outside while Shields mans the other side. Bush has played well the past 2 times he has had to come in as the slot / nickle corner.

Cam Newton has no idea what he is in for. Capers is going to make that kid look silly.

My list:

1. Rodgers. No debate.

2. Clifton. If he gets hurt, Rodgers may not be far behind.

3. Matthews. He may not get the sack numbers this year, but the crazy attention he draws allows others to get pressure. Without him, the defense suffers big time.

4. Tramon. Sure, I may be a bit biased, but I think he's currently the top cover cornerback in the NFL. Losing him would severely limit Woodson's freelancing, and Jarrett Bush, while not as bad as the average Packer fan thinks, is not someone I want to see playing defensive back very often.

5. BJ Raji. Not bad for a bust to make #5 on this list, if I do say so myself.

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Originally posted by BrainDed:
If Woodson is NOT suspended,

For what?

For punching an opponent in the gut.